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17421  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread (EPL) on: November 04, 2017, 09:39:38 AM
this week 2 amazing big matches in the Premier League:
Manchester City vs Arsenal and Chelsea vs Manchester United!

If both Chelsea and Arsenal win, they completely re-open the games with the top 5 teams enclosed in just 6 points.

instead, If Manchester City wins and at the same time United does not win its match, the Citizens would have a big advantage of at least 7 points and would have the Premier League already in his hands.

Indeed, these are the two outcomes I am really hoping for, and have put my bets with them for slim wins - the league is approaching the end of the first third and it is in dire need of some shaking up otherwise we end up with a boring season with yawn fests in mid season. As much as I think it'll be historic if Man City repeat the feat of Arsenal's Invincibles, but that'll be poor entertainment for the rest of us.

But football has a habit of throwing up surprises, so my money's on a defeat for the current league leaders and a big bunching together at the top of the table by Monday. Either case, I am hoping we get a very Super Sunday tomorrow. No boring draws please!
17422  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Bitcointalk English Premier League pool betting Discussion Thread on: November 04, 2017, 09:17:54 AM
Week 11's first game kicks off in about three hours, guys, so don't forget to enter your prediction. I see two games that could potentially swing the scores around to the savvy predictor, but we have to wait til tomorrow for them:

1. Chelsea/Man Utd - I'm going for a slim Chelsea win here. I have a feeling Mourinho and co will do exactly as expected and defend in packs away from home. But there's enough blue quality for a goal.
2. Man City/Arsenal - I'm going to go for an underdog win here. Arsenal no longer inspire fear but they'll be desperate to win this and there's bound to be a blip for the Sky Blues, maybe it happens tomorrow!
17423  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Price Moving Towards $7500, Market needs a crash on: November 03, 2017, 05:58:59 PM
Don't know if there's ever such a thing as needing a crash when it comes to Bitcoin. This crypto market continues to shrug off every known convention and technical analysis. The last time I remember a sustained correction was when it came back down to from 2000, and then some weeks below 4,000. Ever since then, though, it's just been on a hot tin roof. Every alt holder must really be hoping for some let off by now, but I'm done making any solid predictions. Just going to wait at least til December when the effects of Segwit2x will be more apparent.

There's hardly any more dips beyond the reach of day traders even to buy into now! Hold on to your seats, gentlemen and ladies.
17424  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-11-1]Why Bitcoin's Next Fork Might Not Mean Free Money on: November 03, 2017, 03:34:21 PM
SegWit2x will not be a free money or an airdrop if it will fail from the begging for technical reasons, or if it will quickly overtake the real Bitcoin, or if most users won't have access to replay protections. If none of this will happen and if markets will be open, than after a process of claiming (which might be more complicated than claiming of BCH was) users will be able to get their free altcoin and dump it for somewhere between 0.05-0.15 BTC per coins, which is a nice 5-15% bump to their BTC portfolio. But since this fork is different from BCH, it's better to not make any hasty moves in order to not lose any coins due to replays or other disruptions.

What? No more free money? But, sir, won't I be able to just dump all my Segwit2x altcoins on an exchange, selling them for bitcoins and essentially boost my Bitcoins by a small percentage? People will be lining up to get mine, won't they?

Jokes aside, I think the forks need to be taken seriously. Indeed, they should never have been about free money, although the methods and experience of two forks in three months have given me more than 10% near instant increase on Bitcoins.

If we look past the baseness of "free money", of course a serious fork intends to keep legacy users, encouraging and convincing them that their new software, their new vision, is the better one. That Bitcoin Cash  and, some argue, Bitcoin Gold, merely used ideology to mask (poorly) their obvious ploy at instant profits, we can't pretend that Segwit2x is no better.

The Chinese miners at least have the straightness to come out and say it. The main advocates of Segwit2x keep talking about price and dollars. So why do we think they're sincerely in this for the betterment of Bitcoin? I'm not saying it's an outright truth. Just keeping things in perspective. And these forkers have always had the perspective of profit.
17425  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitCoin Is Too Complicated for Average People! on: November 03, 2017, 01:18:11 PM
Well, I think it is indeed too much complicated and harder to use, you have to have knowledge about how it works on internet. You have to make an account, buy bitcoin from different sites ( which takes 5% to 7% Fees) then transfer to exchanges for trading or to use.

How can a normal people, who usually watch youtube video, use fb or other social media, you expect him/her to know all these things? I seen people give up easily, and think it's too techy.

I believe if Bitcoin sell coins on their official website, with lower fees, such as 1% to 2%, and make  a simple wallet for people to use, more & more people would buy and use it.
What is your opinion on it? discuss..

Some fair and valid points. Several years back, an experiment by MIT transferred $100 worth of Bitcoins to students in its particular year. More than half immediately cashed out, and only a handful had kept the coins, learnt more about it and used it, at the end of the experiment. Bear in mind that these were highly technically-gifted millennials with above average knowledge of computers and internet technology. It was evidence that Bitcoin - as intended use as a P2P digital currency - was still difficult to learn and adopt for every day use.

On the other hand, you can earn (or buy) and spend Bitcoin as easily as any other currency or payment provider online without having to learn deeper aspects of Bitcoin tech or its network. For the average user, perhaps web wallets are simplest, and you even have apps now that instantly convert your fiat to crypto and back to fiat whenever you want.

Myself, I've moved to my own private wallet, I've learnt how to spend exactly as I want, adjusting fees and dipping into the network when it's efficient, but perhaps it isn't urgently necessary for the vast majority of people.

P.S. There are already recommended wallets, merchants, and exchanges across multiple sites telling people how to buy and sell Bitcoin and use simple wallets.
17426  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Did you ever convince or encourage someone to invest in Bitcoin? on: November 03, 2017, 12:06:43 PM
Perhaps if Bitcoin had come a decade earlier, or I'd been involved then, I would have given advice to people, close friends anyway. But I'm a bit older, a little wiser (I hope) and I've come to learn that you should never encourage anyone to invest in anything. I still tell people about Bitcoin, but only if it comes up in conversation and there's interest.

I don't push it, I tell them what I know about it and why it's important for them to be aware of it. I did this even in 2013/14, long before I owned any of my own Bitcoin. The personal wariness came from my previous bad experience with digital currencies. I thought then that Bitcoin was special, but I'd been burnt before by new tech. Even today, with all that I have and earn, I would never go all in, and never advise anyone to.
17427  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Europa League/Champions League Lounge on: November 03, 2017, 08:23:37 AM
today I try an easy triple-up in Europe League:

Lazio vs Nice: Lazio ,considering all competitions, did 12 times over 2.5 goals in the last 13 games played.
Nice has always made at least over 2.5 goals in the Europa League.
OVER 2,5 goals at quote@1.60

Aek Athens vs Ac Milan:
AC Milan In Europe League (playoffs + group) made 6 wins and 1 draw with 18 goals scored and 3 suffered.
Ac Milan, focused on the Europa League. because it is, probably, the only way to go to champion's league next year.
DOUBLE CHANCE X2 at quote@1.35

Arsenal Vs Red Star Belgrade: Arsenal has always won in Europa League and has won, considering all competitions, 8 of the last 9 games played.
If Arsenal wins it is mathematically qualified and can concentrate 100% in the Premier League
WIN ARSENAL at quote@1.40



Crikey, ciccio. Except for your Lazio-Nice game, I'd definitely have had taken up the AC Milan and Arsenal bets as a parlay padding, but I'm more and more reluctant to bet on Champions League/Europa given the results of the last few weeks. Just goes to show statistics can only mean so much when it comes to football. Even if you'd taken those three as even straight bets, you'd be out more than 50%.

I'm now about to try out a rough "Martingale" strategy based on stats, something like what you're already doing but doubling up on losses - and on straight bets only. So for example, if Arsenal has won 8 of 9, they lost now. But I'd bet 4x more on their next game, at the same odds. Incredibly risky unless I find a bookie that takes small min wagers though!
17428  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin Transaction - Stuck Indefinitely? on: November 02, 2017, 02:44:43 PM
Ah there you go, first transaction is confirmed and Potato Chips has kindly queued the second for confirmation. Your immediate problem should be solved, I think we can trust you won't repeat this.

Also, I'd recommend to switch over to Electrum.org , follow the advice given to import private keys. Speaking from own experience, Electrum's ease of use is perfect for non-technical users (like myself) especially if you plan on consolidating small inputs like it seems you tried to do. It's got a great new version out too (3.0) which I just downloaded today. Includest native (opt-in) support too!
17429  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-11-01] Split or No Split? Bitcoin Miners See No Certainty in Segwit2x Fork on: November 02, 2017, 01:14:01 PM
Miners are here for the profit, most of them are not cypherpunks or libertarians, so they will do whatever is the most profitable for them. They signal their support for SegWit2x because they think that it would be profitable for them if everyone switched to it, but I'm sure that if people will stay with the original Bitcoin (which seems like the most likely outcome), they will stay too. So, SegWit2x would be similar to Bcash - difficulty fluctuations and periodic hashpower switches to whatever is more profitable, but eventually it will die off when the money for supporting it on exchanges will run dry.

That's the most painfully obvious, isn't it? And there's really nothing wrong with that either. It's become an industry in its own right, and believe me, most miners share the same sentiment. If they take a side, it's only because they believe that brings the most profit. And while the opinions reflected in this article might seem refreshing to OP and others, it comes as no surprise. BTCtop and the big guys came into this business, stayed and expanded on simple instinct of economics. Chinese businesspeople may be more open about it, but I doubt non-Chinese corporate miners think differently.

Cypherpunks and libertarians by definition would never enter the hashpower game. And you know what? I think this varied spectrum of people across the board, somehow involved and shaping Bitcoin in their own image, is not only inevitable, it's good. The world can't adopt Bitcoin without bearing an imprint of extra-ideological motivations.
17430  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Bitcoin Transaction - Stuck Indefinitely? on: November 02, 2017, 12:31:21 PM
Hello Joel,

All right, you've had all the lectures on fees so I won't do that (breathe deeply Wink ). I've accelerated your first transaction, so we'll need to wait for a few hours for that to confirm before we can work on your second TX. You're right, they're very small amounts and have zero fees (well, 2nd one is 1 sat/byte, effectively miners will see it as zero).

My advice:
1. Don't ever spend inputs that haven't been confirmed, or are reliant on spends that are unlikely to confirm.
2. If the purpose of these txs were to consolidate your inputs, try to hold off until you have many and until the network is relatively free. I also consolidate dust inputs, sacrificing perhaps a 10-20 satoshi/byte fee when mempool is almost free. That way, you get away with paying low fees to lean up your inputs.

I'll check back and accelerate the 2nd tx in a few hours.

And no, your bitcoins aren't lost forever. Had you persisted in broadcasting them, I'm very sure they'd eventually confirm (obviously when there are so few txs in the network that miners just pick whatever's left).
17431  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Europa League/Champions League Lounge on: November 02, 2017, 11:16:25 AM
Nice!  I guess we'll see all 5 EPL clubs in the KO stages then?  I think that's a first in the CL's history!  That's pretty exciting imo.  We could see one or two of them reach the semi finals.  And hopefully see one in the finals.  Man City anyone?  Grin

We need one more game, I'd say, before we can confirm this, but yeah I think Liverpool can get another win at home, and Chelsea can shrug off their 0-3 defeat to make good. 5 English clubs will definitely be a first, I think there were as many as four a few years back when Liverpool were also in it?

People tend to drift towards a country's style when we see seasons where 4 Spanish teams and 4 Italian teams in the knockout stages, but with such varied teams and managers for EPL's CL contenders, I guess we won't see anyone touting the English game after this.

If Spurs can continue their style, and City don't run out of goals, they're definitely favourites to progress to finals, for me. I guess it will partially depend on how the pairings show up. Would be pretty bad luck for entertainment factor if they get matched up with each other so quickly though!

I won't mind Liverpool scraping through Groups, meeting (and defeating) a German or Spanish giant in last 16. So exciting!
17432  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Funds sent without my knowledge on: November 02, 2017, 09:25:57 AM
It's really hard to determine exactly what happened here, but if you really can confirm that your funds were spent from your Electrum wallet, then at face value, your private keys were compromised, wallet accessed, and funds sent out.

1. Is your Electrum fully synced (Large green button on bottom right screen), and balance shown in bottom left corner is zero? Then your wallet is indeed empty.
2. Can you see the transaction listed in your wallet? If you click on it to view the transaction on block explorer, do you recognise any of the addresses associated with the tx?
3. If you can share the tx ID here, we can help determine some things, but likely not recover the funds, if (1) is confirmed.
4. Does anyone else besides yourself have your Electrum seed and/or encryption pass?

If (1) is confirmed, and you answered no to (4), then someone somehow stole your seed and/or pass. The best thing to do right now is perform a full scan of your device. Ensure it is clean and safe before creating a new wallet and/or changing your password.
17433  Economy / Speculation / Re: How far do you guys think BTC retraces after fork? on: November 02, 2017, 08:44:06 AM
I say 5k

In my opinion probabl yback to around $4k or so.

Right now the price is going absolutely bananas. I don't think that this is going to continue forever because that has never happened with any asset class and it is just not sustainable to see this sort of huge profits every single day.

It could even before the fork, if people start panicking.

I'm going to go with in between your estimates, so a slow retrace back towards 4,500 after Segwit2x fork, settling down for a fresh attempt to break $5000 after Christmas. It's incredibly difficult to predict anything with Bitcoin now. One one hand you've got big players happy to take profit every ATH, confident that even a day's dip will give them opportunities for re buys at 5-10% profits easily. On the other you've got a non-stop influx of new people, many of whom are big bankers and middle-class suits with deep pockets, so buying demand will keep raising prices.

Then you've got our highly contentious Segwit2x fork, which I suspect will be a lot bigger, with weightier reactions than we experienced with BCH ad BCG. Efforts from substantial camps to force customers to recognise the forkalt as actual Bitcoin might work, too, you never know.
17434  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Bearish] The Dangerous Reason Why Bitcoin Just Hit Yet Another New High on: November 02, 2017, 07:10:47 AM
@Biodom. The problem would be what they wrap bitcoin with in the CDO. If they take random cryptocoin scams, placed together in a tranche with some bitcoin, then rate it as a class A investment, then there shall be problems.

It is was what happened in the housing bubble. They wrapped good mortgages with the bad ones and bribed the rating agencies to rate them as class A investments.  

The problem... well there are so many problems! We've now seen how the big bankers have slowly turned perceptions from outright fear of Bitcoin, to curiosity and now greed, keen to take advantage of the next hottest money spinner. Across the continent in the UK, a company's stocked jumped more than 400% just by the addition of the word "Blockchain" to their name.

Just two days ago, an old classmate of mine, a particularly prominent figure in his business circle in the oil and gas industry, actually asked about Bitcoin. Long story short, Bitcoin's suddenly transformed into a legitimate commodity simply by its recent new packagings the likes of which you've just shared.

And so all this new money is flooding in. We can't do much about it. They may yet push current climbs to the bubble they all accused Bitcoin being. I'm loathe to celebrate this new ATH when the best I'd hoped for only two months ago was $5k.
17435  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Europa League/Champions League Lounge on: November 01, 2017, 09:33:28 PM
Liverpool vs Maribor - Over 3.5 goals
Sevilla vs Spartak - Sevilla to win
Tottenham vs Real Madrid - Both teams to score

If Sevilla grab the win your parlay will win too. I see other 2 bets are guaranteed to win.
Liverpool can easily score 4 goals alone at home.
Tottenham and Real Madrid can find score, they have great attackers.

Solid enough win for Liverpool, think it's a bit unfair everyone expected the scoreline to be bigger! Was always going to be a difficult task without Mane, and compounded with Coutinho out of action, plus Maribor were never going to let a repeat of last week's mauling happen away from home. They didn't feel compelled to entertain and as a result was a tight first half, much like Huddersfield several days ago. Pity about your parlay though, you got the other two pickings just about right.

Remember this is football, there's no guaranteed win. Last night's draws for Barca and Juvie took a lot of people by surprise.
17436  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: New ICOs everywhere, What's your take on them? on: November 01, 2017, 04:44:03 PM
Most of the ICOs are not profitable to anyone. While I say most of them are not good, but still there are few ICOs which are linked to a real life business. When a new company decides to list in to a stock market, they offer their shares through IPO which is Initial public offering. But in real life stock market, we have regulators who ensure that the company is already an established one and they have registered profits since last three years (in my country). But the ICO is a method through which a company raises funds for their upcoming ventures. So they want to raise fund for a business which is yet to come and doesn't exist now. So the risk is very high.

China has already banned ICO and Canada government has already started cracking them down. Which looks like a proper step to me. If it can't be regulated now, it will become a ponzi market and people will start loosing big amounts of money. Invest in ICO but make sure they have a legal business to back them up.

I was just discussing with a couple of parters actually touching on something you said.

I'm not a big ICO chaser. This year, I participated in exactly three, and all modest sums below USD 1,000, basically a small pool between myself and two friends who can't be bothered to get into crypto. At this very moment, none of them are profitable! Other than an actual interest in the tech/product, I spent considerable time and effort to conduct some research and invest only in those we felt were long-term buys, with solid developers on the team, etc etc.

It seems even the best-researched decisions are prone to failures.

For our next possible venture, and perhaps for the foreseeable future, we have actually thought along the lines of ICOs that are more like IPOs. Similar to our second ICO, we want something with a real world business that simply wants funding to expand. So not necessarily blockchain innovation or decentralised solution. Simply a business with a tokenised model for expansion.

At least we'd have a product with a track record to look at!
17437  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Does Bitcoin work for online shopping? on: November 01, 2017, 01:52:26 PM
When you buy something on eBay or Amazon, you pay the seller, he ships the product and upload a tracking number.
If you haven't received the item, you can call eBay or Amazon and, basically, what happens is that if they have a tracking number that shows that the item has been delivered, then it is ok, otherwise eBay or Amazon reverses the transaction and you get your money back.
Is that possible with bitcoin? What if I buy a boat online for 2 bitcoins and I never receive it? Is bitcoin able to solve this problem?

Thanks

There's an even better solution, which I enjoy using now. If you've traded in crypto marketplaces, you might be familiar with it: escrow! I only sell my Bitcoin with Localbitcoins and Bisq, which have inbuilt escrow releases. Even dark markets used them. I know people have mentioned them earlier, but here's a few places you can find them:

1. This forum. There are several professional escrowers in Services section. Contact them for their services, they charge between 1 to 5% of the fee, but that's probably far bigger savings than what you'll end up paying for Amazon's administration fees on reversals, for example.
2. Coinpayments.net is an example of a professional service that'll set up an escrow payment for you. They even have ICOs using them now to escrow investor funds. They'll verify you've received your goods, and release payment to the seller.

Not perfect, but that to me is a better solution than what's traditionally available. If you've ever had to fight for your money in a dispute over some seller not delivering... you'd understand it's a huge waste of time (not to mention you get back your money minus "admin fees").
17438  Economy / Economics / Re: Central of the Philippines Recognizes Bitcoin on: November 01, 2017, 11:13:18 AM
All arguments don't make sense. There was no secret nor was there any bank there. Central banks are not banks per se. They are monetary boards that regulate how money works and is being used in the country. There was no statement in the news nor in mine that says that we are dealing with commercial banks.

Bottom line is that the government in the Philippines did not regulate bitcoins that would be advantageous nor disadvantageous to it. The fact is that they only are regulating exchanges so that they will not be used for money laundering or terrorist financing. Nothing more. The BSP is not dealing in crypto or bitcoins!
They don't see the need to regulate it now, maybe they believe the exposure is just to small to regulate but you are right they regulated the exchanges and in fact they already issued license to some who applied. When they regulate, they are bound to follow the rules and they need to do reportorial requirements to the bank, that report should include compliance on the AMLC because money laundering is rampant using cryptocurrency.

@Luan, yes you're correct, these statements from central banks in our region (I'm from Malaysia) are pretty much only worth lip service. My country and Indonesia have regularly come out with opposite statements saying that they don't recognise Bitcoin as payments, but the nett effect is close to zero in terms of actualy volume. Southeast Asian trading is still very low globally, but they have been climbing and if they keep at the same rate for a year or two more - which they surely will, they may very well become significant minorities in the global market.

Nevertheless, a lot of people will see this as positive. Now on the point of regulating exchanges, I believe coins.ph and Luno (active in all three countries I mentioned) have been several months in talks with central bank reps from all three. If nothing more, it merely legitimises their business of trading Bitcoin. Won't have affect on price, but definitely adoption.
17439  Economy / Economics / Re: Nova exchange shutting down on: November 01, 2017, 10:29:18 AM
Poor Nova. I started by very first few Bitcoin trades with smaller exchanges Nova and Tradesatoshi. More experimental than anything else, since I was new at the time to altcoins. Found a new-ish ANN thread with what looked like a fun coin, discovered that it was PoS and was introduced to the idea of staking. So I got my first stash of several hundred coins from Nova, staked for months. My last login was in July, to sell off everything. In total a 300,000 satoshi investment returned me just over 0.02 BTC. My very first profit.

I know much better today than to risk trading large amounts of BTC, but we've got to appreciate all these smaller exchanges listing exotic coins. Hope the new management understands the importance of having actual developers on their support staff.
17440  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Europa League/Champions League Lounge on: November 01, 2017, 07:03:56 AM
I just set six bets on the upcoming Champions League matches tonight. What do you think?

Celtic vs Bayern # over 2.5 goals @ 1.52
 
Paris vs Anderlecht #under 5.5 goals @ 1.32
 
ManUnited vs Benfica # double chance, draw or win Benfica @ 2.38
 
Atletico vs Qarabag # over 2.5 goals @ 1.86
 
Sporting vs Juventus    # Win Juventus @ 1.92
 
Olympiakos vs Barcelona # Win Barcelona @ 1.25

That's interesting, I took Benfica at +1.25 for 1.9x odds, thought it was very good - I don't normally look back *after* making bets. This one is a real gamble, to be honest, since Man Utd play home and will want to put this group's winner out of reach. Hope he still insists with Mikhi and he plays as badly as ever. Good odds on PSG/Anderlecht, would have taken that as a parlay pad for sure had my bookmaker offered it.

Qarabag... after last week's performance, I wouldn't put it past them to go down to a slim margin. Athleti and Torres are misfiring right now.

Apart from that, I'm also with you on Barca and the Old Lady to wrap their group up with both of them victorious tonight.

Eh, what a way to lose the Benfica game. An own goal and a penalty? That was just really bad luck for them, and Mourinho and co get to benefit as usual. Seems like they'll be in the Last 16 for sure, unless both Basel and CSKA win their last two matches AND Moscow somehow score 6 goals without reply in those games.

And Chelsea, what the hell? No cards in the game, 5 treatments, 11 shots (6 on target) and they still manage to lose. Athleti had better come up with the goods in next game, they really blew this chance with Qarabaq, but what about them right? 2 draws and 2 points in their first ever Champions League against Roma and now Athleti. Sweet games.

And eh, wrong calls on Juve and Barca. Bloody draws.
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