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17521  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: October 03, 2011, 12:30:22 AM
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2011/10/update-on-gasoline-prices.html

no inflation here.

i guess all these articles i've been putting up aren't data according to misreality.
17522  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: October 02, 2011, 09:53:59 PM
... and my willingness to put the details, theory, and data forward to support that position.

Yes, lots of theory with details on the theory, but the only "data" has been in the form of price chart patterns. Those have already been discussed as being malleable and unable to provide a complete perspective, especially on gold.

Price charts are only a look at price trends. They don't bare the underlying mechanics of the system, nor do they offer genuinely predictive information. This is what data looks like behind the scenes:




you want data?  here's some data:

17523  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: October 02, 2011, 06:05:13 PM
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as a US citizen of course most of my wealth is in USD's.

I bet most Americans have their wealth outside of notes, only having a few in their wallets/purses.

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if UST's sell off, its possible this will drive the USD even higher and faster and gold/silver straight down into the dumps.  wouldn't that be something?

Investors have assets in mind for "safety" or "I have no idea where else to put the money". If USTs go, then gold and silver will see more buying.

Have you commented on the COMEX destruction along with PM manipulation which would occur if the debt collapses?

The comex reminds me very much of the lines to buy houses at the top out the housing bubble.  It went on for years.  Also the ipo craze. Everything looked so good.  How could anything go wrong?  Why can't things reverse?
17524  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: October 02, 2011, 04:44:29 PM
You want people to go into the trap of electronic debt money.

no, i want ppl to accumulate as much hard cash USD's as possible.

Where's your's then? You have most of your wealth in USD notes?

Also, weren't you bullish on USTs earlier in the thread? You've changed your tune.

as a US citizen of course most of my wealth is in USD's.

the UST short is very small and i'll take it down if it goes south.  i've only added it b/c prices could be at an extreme. in fact, if UST's sell off, its possible this will drive the USD even higher and faster and gold/silver straight down into the dumps.  wouldn't that be something?
17525  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: October 02, 2011, 04:29:21 PM
@misreality:   you sir are trapped in physical bullion as your main financial holding.  thats clear from your posts so don't try to suggest otherwise.  you have a huge vested interest in pushing the pm price so as to not only profit but also to prevent catastrophic losses.  you are locked into the most illiquid of all assets.  if the price plunges from here as i suspect, you could be bankrupted.

i've been open from the very beginning that i am short pm's and that i've sold most my bullion.  and i took that position before the recent plunge. if i get the sense that i'm wrong on my call, it will take but a keystroke to stem my losses.  

i conclude that my arguments on this thread are much more neutral and unbiased than yours.
17526  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: October 02, 2011, 04:16:12 PM
You want people to go into the trap of electronic debt money.

no, i want ppl to accumulate as much hard cash USD's as possible.  its skyrocketing in value.  we are seeing the beginning of bank runs.

http://problembanklist.com/will-the-run-on-greek-banks-spread-across-europe-0401/

http://forextrib.com/forex-news-analysis/forex-market-news/fxpro-daily-forex-brief-the-mad-scramble-for-dollars/

those same electronic debt USD's are vaporizing as we speak causing an overall plunge in total USD's worldwide.
17527  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: October 02, 2011, 02:48:39 PM
This thread has become my primary form of financial entertainment, along with Money McBags. Deflationists are as amusing as permabull gold bugs (and just as dangerous).

yet you keep coming back and posting here more than your own blog!   i'm sure you're drawn by the fact that my thread is getting alot of views.  not trying to brag but i'm willing to bet most people here are drawn more to my willingness to put myself out there and take a contrarian view to the conventional wisdom in calling an end to the gold/silver bull.  especially since things now seem to have gone terribly wrong.  and my willingness to put the details, theory, and data forward to support that position.  and i do this not on just a longterm view but realtime as well. after all, how the hell are you supposed to get out ahead of these turns if you don't trade short term?

not that these viewers are in my camp mind you; i bet most here desperately want me to be wrong since they are pm bulls like yourself.  thats ok too.  as i said from the beginning, you were my motivation to start this thread; your mysterious unsolicited pm from an anonymous internet poster whispering for me to cover my short position and buy.  not used to ppl ignoring your advice and even intimidating you, eh? Smiley   i still smell a trap.

i'm willing to look at the data as it comes in and interpret what is happening.  i am willing to admit i'm wrong.  yours is just a simple religious based view on the pm's that has been pushed for 11 years now.  and you've amply proven that you're unwilling to change your views despite being faced with contrary information. you're a Boris Spassky riddled by simple linear uncreative thinking.  btw, the greatest form of flattery is mimicking your opponent.  "no i'm not linear, you're linear!"  thanks for that.  you're a zealot that is unwilling to consider other's views and you're still in Stage 1 of Denial.  which means gold still has a long way to fall.

you're so predictable as well.  when pundits like you are proven wrong in failing to identify the change in trend (which requires looking at the short term)  the first thing they do is start backing out on the timeline of the charts.  since even the daily arithmetic charts have gone so badly against you, you have started to throw up weekly and logarithmic charts to cover up your losses.  remind me to quantify those some time here in a post btw.  for those interested in calculating misreality's losses, just go back to his recommendations here on the thread for his buys.  they have been brutal.  even if gold were to go back to $250, you would throw up a 100 yr chart and say look we're still up from $20 in 1929!  buy, buy, buy!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=35956.msg546612#msg546612

bottom line here is since we began this thread you've cost alot of ppl and yourself alot of money following your advice.  especially those ppl who bought into the push into the gold double top.  and its been even worse for those who followed your advice into the 61.8% retrace push of silver.  and its even more worse for the pm stocks vs silver.  go back and follow the timeline of our respective advice.  i was screaming for a top.  the very day the pm stocks pulled back under the breakout line i called it a failure while you and the pundits you rely on (Eric Degroot i think) were screaming for a breakout.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=35956.msg527117#msg527117

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=35956.msg522374#msg522374

you're like a forester who refuses to get out of his plane at 30,000 feet and look at the leaves, branches, and trunks of the trees themselves which have rot growing all over them.  you refuse to even acknowledge that the bull could be over.  many more ppl are coming over to my view only now.  oh well, convincing you will have to be bloody.
17528  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: October 02, 2011, 01:56:06 PM
http://blogs.decisionpoint.com/chart_spotlight/2011/09/gold-mining-stocks-versus-gold.html
17529  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: October 01, 2011, 07:40:26 PM
I take it it's all debt based. When your debt collapse comes, you'll lose a lot of money.

LOL!  Up 77%!


17530  Economy / Services / Re: BTCinch Merchant Services and Wallet on: October 01, 2011, 04:44:36 PM
Ira does seem like a great developer. 
17531  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: October 01, 2011, 03:15:10 PM
Cypherdoc, take a picture of all your USD bank notes you have invested in.

there's your picture.  i like what i see esp. on Friday.

17532  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: October 01, 2011, 03:01:37 PM
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/
17533  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: October 01, 2011, 07:39:16 AM
Quit making this so easy for me - you were offering genuine challenges recently. Smiley

@misreality:  i've been sitting here shaking my head chuckling to myself trying to figure out how best to respond to your post.  i finally determined that the warnings i wrote yesterday regarding the intraday action in the markets went right over your head.  i take back that compliment i gave you which is probably the reason for your blindfolders.  or perhaps your giddiness was b/c the pain in the PM space has eased just a bit the past coupla days.

you have no idea about the pain that is about to befall you once again.  you and MatthewLaMe.
17534  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: September 30, 2011, 05:27:24 PM
and you wonder why your wealth is slowly slipping away?

17535  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: September 30, 2011, 05:02:57 PM
oh geez.  the gold/silver share setup i was seeing this am and a few posts ago is playing out.

NEM has clearly broken the perfect ascending wedge from this AM and is now heading down.  they walked it up to the top of the leader board to get everyone in and now they'll take em down.
17536  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: September 30, 2011, 04:56:21 PM
This is utter bullshit, salaries and prices are already going up while unemployment is high and it will accelerate. If anyone is interested I can go into more detail why.

i am an employer.  i have never had such wage control power since i've been in business since 1993.  i don't offer health care or a pension plan yet i have dozens of apps for any openings i advertise.  i'm also seeing older ppl enter the workforce that will accept lower pay than younger ppl b/c of the squeeze Ben's put on them.


2. Banks want prices to go up. People keep saying that they want prices to go down so they can buy everything on the cheap. It this were the case they would have already done it. Banks have what they want and are in the bussiness of debt, not running bussiness. Why do banks need prices to go up? Because otherwise they go broke. The banks have a lot of underlying assets for the loans they gave. Those assets have plummeted in price and they are technically broke. Thats why one of the first mesures of the USA gov was to remove mark to market. Banks have assets on their balance sheet marked to inflated prices because otherwise they can not meet the reqired ratios. They need those assets to regain their previous prices so they can go back to normal. Its important to understand that if prices of those assests dont go up banks will eventually have to admit they are broke because they are blocking the credit system. And its important to understand that those prices were inflated and wont be inflated again, so they need the whole price level to rise a lot.

this whole discussion presupposes that they'll have a choice in this whole deflationary event.  they don't.


3. "The Fed is out of bullets" Everytime I hear this I ask a question and never get an answer: Whats stopping the Fed from monetizing more government debt? (apart from the fear of producing hyperinflation).

and i keep answering it:

Politics, the sheer size of the bad debts, the rioting that you'll see if they try (Middle East) and self preservation.  if they destroy the USD what would be their function?  what about the billions of USD wealth these bankers have?
17537  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: September 30, 2011, 04:21:56 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/investopedia/2011/09/29/should-you-follow-soros-out-of-gold/
17538  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: September 30, 2011, 03:51:18 PM
of ALL the gold and silver mining shares including all the etf's at Fidelity, the ONLY one available with shares to short is NEM.

and its forming a picture perfect ascending wedge.  we know how those resolve.
17539  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: September 30, 2011, 03:47:08 PM
http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000048484
17540  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: September 30, 2011, 03:12:20 PM
in addition, there are NO AVAILABLE SHARES TO SHORT OF GLD at Fidelity.

Mmmm, how long has it been like that? And you mean all gold based stocks in the U.S market?

as of today.  i'm sure Fidelity could go out into the market and get shares of GLD for you to short but ALL IN HOUSE SHARES ARE GONE.

edit:  SLV shares have been gone for weeks.
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