No my point is it's the drugs that are making the main difference, America is such a different country in general to the ones that people keep comparing them to.

Going by your logic, why do the military and police need rifles to use them on their own citizens then?

That's life, if you don't take responsibility for your actions then the police are going to do the shooting for you, the same goes for the army and as we've seen they tend to royally fuck things up just as badly as any of us could because they're only human, I personally would much rather take responsibility for my own actions defending myself and know I did my best than push all the blame and responsibility on somebody else.

In all seriousness as I've said before, if you're dealing with someone who's unarmed or just armed with a melee weapon this is why you learn some kind of close quarters/unarmed fighting so you know how to handle yourself without resorting to a gun.

gg in that case but honestly you got lucky taking him by surprise, I don't advocate the killing of people when they're surrendering or running away by any means don't get me wrong, I think doing that makes you a murderer, but the fact is the last thing you want is to be facing an armed gang with absolutely nothing on you if you have the option of not doing so.

Also, if there's no reason to own a gun, why do the military and police carry them? It's that simple, also, I'm going to go and gather evidence now that proves my theory about mass killings.

Edit: Holy shit, that was easy - http://www.cchrint.org/school-shooters/ - That's 34 cases I have found in 5 seconds where the mass murderers were either on drugs or had stopped taking them, either way that could have easily been the cause, this is something people like you like to ignore quite a bit.

That's because in other parts of the world we don't use unnecessary amounts of drugs on people claiming they have mental problems.

I'm British by the way and the fact that you seem to think kitchen knives and baseball bats are going to do anything is ridiculous lol I also love how you dodged my point about police response times and psychiatric drugs.

fyi: We have one of the strictest gun control legislations out there, in Manchester it is apparently incredibly easy to get guns if you're a criminal

Yeah, what if they had guns?

I'm British by the way and the fact that you seem to think kitchen knives and baseball bats are going to do anything is ridiculous lol.

It's not about being afraid of everything, nevermind the fact that despite the way you guys act gun owners are right in that criminals aren't going to give a shit about gun bans you have to deal with the fact that the police response times are too high and that's even in the well developed cities where they're funded properly, in places like Detroit where the government has simply given up and said you're on your own are you seriously suggesting people just give up their guns? You don't live in the real world, the irony of this is the politicians who advocate gun control are the ones who have the most armed guards and the biggest weapons available.

So say you do manage to even call the police to begin with, what are you going to do? Ask the assailant nicely to wait for two minutes while the police come and arrest them? No they're going to still beat the crap out of you and then run or they'll just take their chance and run for it just like that with it devolving into a police chase if you're lucky. I haven't even gotten into the actual state of the policing itself, in the UK we had a guy recently that gun control advocates like to forget about that went on a rampage with a shotgun and the police simply threw their hands up when questioned about it saying that the two officers that were following him couldn't do anything because they weren't armed.

From a gun you can defend yourself or run from them? Don't be fucking stupid, you'll either get shot in the back or a person will get shot in the face if you try and take them on melee, granted there's a chance to fight back if you go in full force but it's not advisable nevermind the fact that you're arguing hypotheticals from an ignorant position.

That's the main problem I have with this whole gun control 'debate' it's purely argued from hypotheticals very rarely do I see some actual maths or real logic go into it, people arguing for gun control conveniently forget what the army use to 'keep us safe' as they constantly tout and I haven't even gone into police response times yet versus what would actually happen.

Be like the rest of the world? With an average of 17 million dead annually in genocides of disarmed innocents throughout the 20th Century?
NO THANK AND FUCK YOU, genocide freaks...

wait, what? do you have a source on how he funded ISIS? or are we just blaming everything on him?

People from a time when America wasn't harassing the entire planet.  They don't want to fight endless wars.. although cpt Obama with his war on everything under the sun doesn't like that idea.