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1781  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Atheism does not exist on: February 02, 2014, 04:31:24 PM
Who's the idiot?  The one who judges words based off who said them or the one who judges words based off what they mean?
1782  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Has anyone been mistreated by health care workers/system ? on: February 01, 2014, 08:13:57 PM
Thread reference for third paragraph:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135637.0
1783  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Has anyone been mistreated by health care workers/system ? on: February 01, 2014, 08:13:05 PM
Last January, Hell's Angels's made their presence around me known.  They revved their engines full throttle each time they passed the house.  I mean over a hundred bikes in a single day, many of the same bikes looping around the area.

THEY KILLED BAMBI, GET HIGH NIGGA and KILLRS was spray painted on the fence behind the house.

I made this thread here, from which someone called the police and one showed up to the house.  I explained to him that I had been posting ideology that conflicts with the philosophy of the government and organized cartels.  I explained to him that they have been circling the house all day and I must not run from my destiny, that I would lay in the back yard for them to kill me.  He was more concerned that I was going to commit suicide at first but he understood where I was coming from and shook hands then we made our ways.

I laid outside for them to kill me as a sacrifice that night, and while I could hear the same car loop for most of the night, they did not kill me.  I now realize they were simply warning me, not actually committing.

Shortly later, my parents called the police on me for no more than a disagreement.  The police said I must legally go to the critical evaluation center or they would arrest me the next day, which I don't think was true or legal.

I go to the evaluation center, unknowing of the potential, I disclose my situation with utmost honesty.  I later find out I'm being sent to frye, three hours away from home.

I get to frye and explain my situation to the doctor, how I felt people wanted me dead for my anti-tyranny views.  I explained to him that I have never used any pharmaceutical in my life and that I do not wish to because I believe in nature's remedies over drugs that kill over 150,000 each year.  He seemed like he would respect this.

Third day there, I am getting ready to be dismissed as the doctor said I did not seem like a threat to myself or anyone and that I seemed quite normal and happy relative to most of his patients.  I'm given my bags, all I had to do was sign some paper work and I was free.  Directly before I was allowed to leave, they told me I must take some kind of anti-psychotic.  I refused, for the doctor had already told me I was healthy enough to go, why did I need medicine?

I grab my blanket, wrap it around me and sit at a table, holding it towards myself.  At least eight people come in, drag me across the room to the point me knees bled and held me down as they injected me with drugs against my will.  I was shouting at them telling them what they're doing is evil, that they have no right to put chemicals in my body.  A couple of the people stood back and could feel empathy for me.  Some of them seemed to get off by what they were doing, grinning eagerly to stick me with a needle.  They injected anti-psychotics into my arm, right when I think it's over they get another syringe and inject it into my bum.  Why?  I was not acting violent towards them, simply attempting to defend my own body from poisonous chemicals.

The second syringe was a high dose of geodone.  This was the first moment in my life when I did not know what was going on.  After everything was said and done, I got up walked towards the window and just started to cry.  I couldn't believe human beings could treat each other that way, furthermore I couldn't believe such a practice could be done legally.  My sense of reality was fading away, I could not think properly, I could not coherently express ideas, it was complete hell.  The last thing I remember was sitting down in a chair and kicking my shoe at the window before losing consciousness.  I have never passed out or blacked out in this sense before.

My doctor said he actually talked to me afterwards and due to my incoherent state I could not recall conversing any words with him.

I stayed for an extra ten days or so simply for refusing medicine, after the doctor said I was healthy enough to go.

I'll continue part II in a later post.
1784  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Atheism does not exist on: January 30, 2014, 10:35:36 PM
Crazy is a word for lack of understanding.

I'm actually talking to a doctor in hopes of her being able to help communicate the spiritual nature of the universe to my parents.  She told me this term of anti-psychiatry today in which the world is insane and the people considered crazy in today's world are the sane ones.

If you'd just take a look at what our society consists of, this is clearly evident.  Legalized theft.  Legalized murder/war.  No right to chose what goes in your body.  Slaughtering of mass amounts of animals through machines.  Humans stuck in a cycle of eating other beings that are in fact the same being as you.  Injecting neurotoxic drugs into nonviolent teenagers against their will.  Depletion of earth's resources, purposeful pollution of earth's environment.  Governments spying on their own people.  Governments killing their own people.  Governments creating enough nukes to blow up the planet 40 times.  Governments engineering biological weapons.

Yeah, I'd say she hit the nail on the head with that one.
1785  Other / Politics & Society / Re: who inspires you? on: January 30, 2014, 03:39:10 PM
Jimi Hendrix

Kid Cudi

Ron Paul
1786  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Atheism does not exist on: January 30, 2014, 04:38:55 AM
To be more clear, science is the study of the ego.  Spirituality is the study of the soul.
1787  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Atheism does not exist on: January 30, 2014, 04:37:37 AM
I think you read it wrong, I was referring to spirituality separate from science.

This is what you wrote:
Science is the study of ego and spirituality of the soul.  

Is there another way to read that?


Science is the study of ego, and spirituality of the soul.
1788  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Atheism does not exist on: January 30, 2014, 04:17:31 AM
Which is why the flying spaghetti monster is one of infinite gods.
1789  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Atheism does not exist on: January 30, 2014, 04:13:52 AM
I think you read it wrong, I was referring to spirituality separate from science.

A friend on facebook posted this, so I'm quoting for truth.

"It's logically impossible to prove there is no God. You'd have to be everywhere in the universe at the same time. You'd have to be....God."
1790  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Atheism does not exist on: January 30, 2014, 04:01:09 AM
Science is the study of ego and spirituality of the soul. 

No, it isn't. I've never studied either of them.

Then you don't understand what they mean.  Ego in this case is the material world.  Soul is what you feel/see from within.

Sorry.  As a scientist I can tell you that 'study of ego and spirituality of the soul' is in fact not the current definition of science.  See the Wikipedia article 'science'. 

As I said, science is the study of the physical world, what we can measure.  Think in broader terms, science is ego's outer perspective of the universe, philosophy is consciousness's inward perspective.
1791  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Atheism does not exist on: January 30, 2014, 02:23:04 AM
Science is the study of ego and spirituality of the soul. 

No, it isn't. I've never studied either of them.

Then you don't understand what they mean.  Ego in this case is the material world.  Soul is what you feel/see from within.
1792  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Atheism does not exist on: January 30, 2014, 01:22:14 AM
That's a fallacy, science and spirituality don't have to conflict at all.  Science is the study of ego and spirituality of the soul.  Different perspectives, same universe, same being.  One looks in, one looks out.  Duality.

Einstein believed.
1793  Other / Off-topic / Re: biggest loan? on: January 29, 2014, 11:42:25 PM
I woulda had a 3000-6000 loan for a large multi-themed hookah lounge if I wasn't attacked by trolls.

I swear that place would have made a couple hundred thousand by now but I suppose it's not my fate.
1794  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Atheism does not exist on: January 29, 2014, 11:37:34 PM
But this is just the law of karma.  All negativity you output into the world comes around back to you.

Karma is just a law. And you know what they say about rules, right?  Wink I have first hand experience of breaking the law of karma. So  Tongue

And this is where one is able to transcend karma through singularity, otherwise, after your dead.


Falcon, you're confusing induced peace and presence in this moment with pure thoughtlessness.  Clearly I am not thoughtless, or I would not be having this conversation.  Calling meditation brainless stupid is quite ironic as you yourself have not explored past the surface of your mind to know how it works or what it is capable of.

As for saying yogi's, Buddhas, monks and the like have not contributed anything is completely false and they provide one of the most overlooked achievements of humanity.  While everyone is out and about destroying the earth to build bigger machines, weapons and wealth, these people have realized that none of those are essential to life at all and are honestly counter productive to achieving inner peace.  And that is the most valuable, or invaluable, achievement to exist.  Positive energy, love, peace, you would be nothing with out it.

Perhaps the reason it is so unappreciated is because we have been raised in a society that flaunts egotistic thought processes of material and mathematic law while completely ignoring the rest of the functioning mind.  We are not taught to use all of our brain as children.

Scientific law is just that, law.  And you know what they say about rules, right?  They're made to be broken.  I have first hand experience that it is possible to exploit the laws of physics. 

You know what they say about people who say they break the laws of physics?  That they don't understand the laws of physics.

Yes, please enlighten me as to how it was physically possible for a lamp to jump off a table in the middle of the room with many people observing it fall but no one being near it.


Can anyone please debate the words I said rather than ridicule them?  I feel like I'm still talking to vod.
1795  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Atheism does not exist on: January 29, 2014, 07:27:07 PM
Scientific law is just that, law.  And you know what they say about rules, right?  They're made to be broken.  I have first hand experience that it is possible to exploit the laws of physics.  Once we abandon their stronghold against our dreams, our dreams will become as real as life itself.

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When you are able to find no words, no thoughts, just now, then you either should go see a doctor (if it's a repeating occurence) or just take your time. You'll find words eventually (otherwise try to improve your language skills and boost your vocabulary).

As to that, please try meditating yourself before throwing outlandish phrases at an individual.  Any Buddha, monk, yogi or truly enlightened individual has experienced life without thought.  When you are devoid of thought, you are truly in the present and focused on this reality.  This is how people fall in love, with them selves or others, through feeling, not thinking.

There is no proof of god therefore by your logic god does not exist.

Your logic however is flawed. The one who is trying to prove a negative is always the religious person in a given debate.

The atheists simply point out that the concept of god has no predictive capacity. You have the burden of proof with no proof.


Game Over.

This thread is not about proof.  It's about logic.  If everything is everything, then everything exists.  God is everything.  God is the universe.

You are the one proposing a negative, if you haven't noticed. 

You are the proof, but I cannot make you realize this.  You must look into yourself, find your consciousness and you will have all the proof you could ever ask for.  You can lead a horse to water but you can't force him to drink it.

Whether you call atheism unbelief, disbelief, or lack of belief, there is no logical reason to me that one would not believe in everything, for everything surely does exist.

It's like saying, I can see and think of the beach but I don't believe it exists.

If you can experience something, then that something is not nothing, it's part of everything.  So why believe in something but not everything?

its not any of those things. i already told you. its opposition to theism. or opposition to believing that gods exist.

Why oppose anything?

So you don't oppose the willful torturing of new born babies?

Either you do not oppose the willful torturing of babies or you do and you would say something like "why oppose anything?" anyway. Either way its pretty good evidence that you are mentally ill. I'm not saying that to hurt your feelings. Im saying it because recognizing something is the first step towards correcting it.

I understand that we live in a world of lies where more than half of everything we are ever told from friends, families, authorities, and even scientists is fiction. Sometimes its easy to go to far is lashing back against this. Considering the sorts of things that you occupy your mind with you really ought to consider engaging in a deep study of epistemology. It may help you to regain some rooting in reality. Hell with the way your mind works you may even be able to add something to the field. But you HAVE to be rigorous and that means that you have to look for, identify, and REJECT paradoxes. You can not passively accept paradoxes.

There are two sides.  The divinity in me sees all actions taken upon the universe as perfect, as nothing is good or bad, everything just is.  This is not to say I condone the actions taken, but rather accept them as they are.  I'm taking a bullet by the government in order to prove the truity of my words.  Would I rather we all just grow up and get along?  Yes.  Though I accept things as they are, as they are perfect and part of the divine order of the universe, otherwise fate.  It's clear there is no true way to convince others to believe in their selves, you all need proof.  Alas, this is why I must be murdered, so you can have proof and grow as a being.

Then the human in me, well it's like this, "Ezekiel 25:17. The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

But this is just the law of karma.  All negativity you output into the world comes around back to you.  Same with positive energy.  Once we understand how to harness the positive energy in a manner where a feedback loop is created of more positivity, you will find feelings of peace you did not know were possible and you may find that you really can do anything you believe with no one casting their shadow of doubt onto your realm.

But let's be real, contrasting torturing babies to opposing a belief is completely absurd.
1796  Other / Politics & Society / Predator Drone Sends North Dakota Man to Jail on: January 29, 2014, 06:07:31 AM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2014/01/27/predator-drone-sends-north-dakota-man-to-jail/

Is this what we are coming to?  Will you take a stand against the tyranny?

Force through peace.


What do you say to a drone that makes an arrest?

“Book him, Predator?”

This was no joke for a North Dakota family who were arrested with the assistance of a  Predator drone.  Rodney Brossart was sentenced to three years in prison, of which all but six months was suspended, for a June 2011 incident in which police attempted to arrest him over his failure to return three cows from a neighboring farm that had strayed on to his property.

After Brossart was arrested, an armed standoff ensued between his three sons and a SWAT team. His sons were located by a border-surveillance Predator borrowed from Customs and Border Patrol (CBP), which enabled local police to safely apprehend them, according to local newspapers.

A federal judge rejected a motion by Brossart’s attorney to dismiss the case on the ground that the drone surveillance was conducted without a warrant. On January 14, a jury found Brossart guilty of terrorizing police, though he was acquitted of theft and criminal mischief. Brossart’s sons pled guilty to charges of menacing law enforcement officers, and were sentenced to a year of probation.

Brossart won’t be the last person convicted with the help of a drone as law enforcement deploys more of them. What is worrisome is that drones designed to protect American borders are being used to conduct surveillance on Americans themselves. Records obtained by the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil liberties group, found that CBP Predator drones flew 700 missions between 2010 and 2012 for other law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and local police departments. CBP Predators were equipped with Vehicle and Dismount Exploitation Radar (VADER), developed by the military to detect insurgents in Afghanistan.

Yet for all the sinister mystique of drones, and the uncomfortable feeling that being shadowed by a drone might create (many people in the Middle East feel your pain), the drones themselves are not the real issue. Had a manned police helicopter with a pilot at the controls helped to apprehend Brossart, the outcome would have been the same. Indeed, the question of whether aerial surveillance requires a warrant is ambiguous, with some court rulings – including a 1986 Supreme Court decision – allowing warrantless surveillance, while other rulings have found it to be  unconstitutional.

There was a time when aerial surveillance was so expensive that privacy was a minor issue. But now drones are relatively cheap and can be equipped with sophisticated sensors, so they can vacuum up large amounts of camera imagery and other data, in the same way that advances in computers and communications enable the NSA to collect huge amounts of data from telephones and the Internet. As the Electronic Frontier Foundation notes, it is not clear what police are doing with the data.

So we could face a future where the skies are criss-crossed by police drones tracking suspected criminals, and in the process, spying on the rest of us. Which almost makes the rest of us suspected criminals.
1797  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Atheism does not exist on: January 29, 2014, 02:41:41 AM
Whether you call atheism unbelief, disbelief, or lack of belief, there is no logical reason to me that one would not believe in everything, for everything surely does exist.

It's like saying, I can see and think of the beach but I don't believe it exists.

If you can experience something, then that something is not nothing, it's part of everything.  So why believe in something but not everything?

its not any of those things. i already told you. its opposition to theism. or opposition to believing that gods exist.

Why oppose anything?  Better yet, why oppose love?  For that is what god truly is, the highest form of energy, consciousness.

True...

Their abandoning of reason (with everything that comes from it) IMHO is the primary cause for their irrational/delusional line of argumentation - which outside of religion would get anyone of us into mandatory psychological treatment in no time.

It often seems to me them focussing their entire lifes around these superstitions forces them ever-deeper into delusion, as they could never accept they wasted their entire life "believing" in all that man-made science fiction. As the harsh reality keeps kicking them around, they have to create more and more insane mental constructions & workarounds in order to preserve their beloved believes, regardless of how ludicrous they gets.
Either that, or they feel so terribly insecure about everything they encounter in life that this mental virus appeals tor them (the proverbial saviour), as it at least gives them a false sense of security they otherwise completely lack.

Pretty ironic, one could call them "lost souls" as they are truly lost cases basically...

And what more is reason than judgement?

What does science explain other than what we are physically able to measure?  Is it any more than law that dictates our own limitations due to what we perceive them to be?  Why does it fail to explain what we experience?  Dreams, thoughts, existence, death?  Love?

For one to realize the true existence of self, one must transcend beyond all language.  Words are created to describe concepts of our existence, do describe the essence of god.  When you are able to find no words, no thoughts, just now, then you will see the true being of the universe.
1798  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Atheism does not exist on: January 28, 2014, 06:13:00 PM
Whether you call atheism unbelief, disbelief, or lack of belief, there is no logical reason to me that one would not believe in everything, for everything surely does exist.

It's like saying, I can see and think of the beach but I don't believe it exists.

If you can experience something, then that something is not nothing, it's part of everything.  So why believe in something but not everything?
1799  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Abused and abandoned ... please read this ! on: January 28, 2014, 04:02:59 AM
You're
1800  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Abused and abandoned ... please read this ! on: January 28, 2014, 03:55:10 AM
They are just animals. Stop overreacting.

Aren’t we animals too?
No. We are humans.
Which are mammals.  You know greater than an ant.
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