some one just left self ejected at light speed from the vladimir club in rather spectacular fashion on btc-e never to enter again

yes they just became solvent again thanks to fud and some buy orders on BTC-e and other exchanges

wow just wow

gox mangaged to gox even when not trading falsely blame protocol, imagine how many buys MK and friends had in before announcing this.....

Grant Max hits MK outta the park, no it's you crap implementation.


if this can not discipline the market to not listen to Gox in the future.

Bitcoin works for the whole world except Mt.Gox, who knew.


I cannot believe people even listen to Gox, and those that have/do, have just be punished badly.

um no this has been known about for ages, gox is just running a bad version and fudged the whole market, esp some idiot on btce.

wow newbs and weak hands you just suffered THE GOX.....you have been Goxxed' was that really 100 on btc-e just then......


if mark karples had a buy in on btc-e just before he released he just became solvent again.

so gox's latest ploy, blame bit coin, yet it work for everyone else you are just running you own bad software client thats not updated

vladimir club is 0.01% of whole number of coins or 1/10000 thus 21 mill/10000 = 2100

a mini vlad would be 210 coins, which right now I think most people don't have

heres a graphic you can put in somewhere

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=457454.0

is the

Block 600,000+: 10,000 DogeCoin Reward

a lucky based reward as well?

how exactly does it work...

what is the estimated doge inflation rate per year given this ongoing block reward?


edit just found out

aprox 5e9 pa on a 100e9 base

so 5% inflation a year...thats quite large, given some doges will be lost say 3.5% per year inflation....I think that is to high, however I suppose as over the montery base the inflation does go to zero

another thing

email was at least understated from the perspective of what a post office does and how mail works, you send some one a message, which made email at least have something to compare to.

the masses can not comprehend that only gov's can back and issue currency, and by masses  i mean most of the "learned" economists etc.

we are still in the very early infancy of early adoption. e.g. if email was sorta available in 1985  to many,

it took until 1997 to get a lot of people on.

BTC will take much longer, at the beginning, so we are still in 1986~1987, ben though btc has been out for 4 years.

Paradoxically the innovation is much higher in BTC tech than almost another field at the moment I can think off, because money itself for the first time is literally one the table, take a peek in alts if you don't believe the shear furry around this, it like evolution on steroids, in a greenhouse, with every permutation killing every other as fast as possible......

I also predict that mining pressure will cause chips tech to improve far faster than in ell or samsung or anyone else of the majors can produce, and as a spin off we will get some new competitors in the processor fields or at least new tech a lot faster. (however pos or pos+pow may limit this if pos wins out and it appears PeerCoin is doing this vs BTC&LTC)


Thus while the initial adoption will be slower, the tail of the adoption will be much quicker.

no probs, thanks for making me write cogently.

Your right there could be some type of laws on encryption by the UK/EU, I am not up on that aspect and if it will apply to emu. I think OS projects will get out into the wild regardless of this.

on 1) yes your right

2) If dan does do this, it will be the company that has to give out salaries, though not much turns on this if dan is has the directors power. Normal taxation will apply. In fact  companies often keep most of the profits themselves and buy things, then cast the use of those thing on beneficiaries this can be use full for effective tax minimisation.

3) it could, but there are still ways to get at directors. However it has given the government two targets instead of one, and a legit company is hard to take down (you have to wind it up and sell of assets to meet debts) this almost ensures that emu code base surveys inspire of anything Dan does, unless state seizes assets, but this is highly unlikely and the SC will be on GitH long before that I think, OB1 is out and can be recompiled so thats all ok (yea I know obfuscation). So good move.

I *think* what may have happened, is this was inevitable from day one, as we both agree, largely due to dan's public nature from day one.

We may not have realised this from day one, but put yourself in dans position for a moment and consider how you would likely do this as well.

Its no fun for Dan to go to this hassle and expense, lawyers documents, etc etc registration....its a lot of continuing paper work that almost anyone would rather not have.

I have had the advantage of undertaking business law (1&2) so have had to think about companies quite a bit. Essentially a company is a decision by the state to cast limited liability on a company and unlimited liability on the citizen when dealing with a company, and as a mechanism to organise capital. In that sense it de risks entrupenrial(sp)  endeavours and so encourage new forms of business. Its quite an efficient way on organising capital and labour. However what really gets interesting is holding companies, which drip feed subsidiaries with cash just enough to keep them going so this acts as a further barrier to liability. Another aspect is where you incorporate. Companies love certainty and freedom to make money. Thats why Delaware companies are popular (certainty, very good judicial bench, full of experts and quicker decisions) and city of London is good. UK Gov looks other way while companies Make , just capital raise for us(gov) when we need money. The Forex market in the Uk and AIM secondary market is a prime example of this, much less capital raising risk that other jurisdictions would frown upon. Companies are good way to influence the political landscape, because when one company gets a competitive advantage over another, the others have to adopt or buy out and apply the advantage (or try and kill it of or lobby govt to make illegal).

over 9000 hours in ms paint.

yawn

BTC/CC going to 2~21 T market cap in 5 years.

money solves teething problems....hodl.

all govs will cave when that much money is on the table, the corporations will demand it.

Apple does a fine job of legal tax minimisation, via Ireland then Holland.

BTC will do the same.

That is all

stop worrying your welcome.

I value your views, I am just trying to get to the core of it.

Corps law, (for corporations) usual gives a set of legislation that corporations are run by, and these generally allow pretty diverse operations. Eg Corps often start of with replaceable rules or something similar

You don't sign legally biding contracts with the government, rather you aquire a suite of formalised protection from state interference as well as obligations. These obligations may what worries you. And yes they are there. Usually they are not that onerous, e.g., not trading insolvent, directors duties, tax requirements.

Corporations offer many benefits such as survivability from their foudners, separate legal personhood, e.g. a corporation is explicitly not Dan. They are separate at law. A mean to organise structures and hold formal accounts with various entities. Enforce rights etc.

Don't get me wrong corporations do lots of nasty things and bilk a lot of people, but also they don't make life easy for Govt's just look at all the tax apple is not paying by its ireland-holand set up. legally avoiding minimising billions in tax and theres not a thing USA/EU can do about it. This is also as an aside an interesting way in which money finds a way to transact at minim cost through arbitrage of jurisdictions.

If what I apprehend you are getting at it the  Govt has legally got its claws in and can make Dan do whatever now, I actually feel Dan is in a better position that when he was emunie did not have a company. Because Dan went public he was bound by inumeral laws and easily locatable.

This forces him to incorporate and emunie is in whatever it does is much better protected this way. Corperations have much more protection, perhaps the biggest being limited liability.

I respect your views however.

come on sheeple this is GOX

nothing will happen tomorrow.

remember the no fiat withdrawal, it never ended, now the kind of technical jam if thats what it really is isn't going to be solved in one day.

We are interested in starting a bitcoin/crypt political party, with the a goal of making any debt payment neutral. We need a voice in the Political arena.

That is the vendor of the goods, property, services or asset may elect to receive payment in any form the parties to the transaction desire.

To some extent this may be currently true as share/gold/assets can be converted to say cash "legal tender" how ever such a stance goes further, by disallowing the exclusion of conversion to another from.

This would make it unlawful for a person to or entity to discriminate against you or not offer service because you choose to convert say one one form of wealth into bit coin. Eg Banks could not shut down your account just because you deal in bitcoin, in the same way they don't when you sell a property.

However the store of wealth in that other form, would not be protected in anyway by the state, e.g., if the BTC goes down vs fiat, or you wallet is stolen or the crypto is somehow hacked, the user wears it.

We are going to think this through in some detail, and shall consider taking donations at some point.

We open this thread to people to put in any policy or wording they may wish to see included on a platform.

However our initial views are we need a narrow focus, but a well thought out position on a range of areas. This may seem contradictory, but some extrapolations of BTC are too easily turned into scare mongering, but are in fact red herrings.

One large advantage is BTC/CC's gives us a fairly unique way to organise this, with regard to funding and internal voting of such a party.

the floor is now open to your suggestions.

and how will they even do that.

bitcoin is unblock able until you turn your power stations off, and maybe not even then

the next user base is cashed up and ready to go.

oh and bit coin tech is a new paradigm

exaclty

newbs can't into looking at history.