I honestly still think you don't really understand this.
Why would you say that a portfolio of $20 million in real estate is worth more than $20 million of cryptos?
I shortened quote, it was making thread unreadable. There are a variety of fee structures in Crowdfunding deals, which range from annual fees as well as
partial participation in upside returns and participation in profits on exit.
We believe the most transparent and interest-aligned formula is a profit share fee, so our interests are
aligned which incentivizes us to make the best returns for our users.
REAL will earn a 10% commission fee on all income or value appreciation profits from investments
made through the platform. For example, if a property participation generates 100 ETH in profits,
REAL platform will keep 10 ETH and pay 90 ETH to the investor. It is appealing to low risk - low income investors. There is not that kind of project in crypto. It will be bigger than the value of the portfolio. Think about it, do you want to hold usdt or real? That 10% is what you as a token holder will be paying to the REAL team. These are not fees that token holders will be earning as a benefit. It will be cut from income. You are not going to pay them from your pocket or anything like that. It is their commission to our income from real platform nothing more. Right. I thought you were implying that those fees would benefit token holders, making tokens more valuable. If that's not what you meant, then I'm not sure I understand why you posted that quote from the whitepaper. I tried to tell how their platform will work and how we will get profit from it. But you are right, the second paragraph is kinda unnecessary to put here. Having spent a lot of time looking at this, as far as I can tell the only way to earn money is through real estate ownership. The platform doesn't generate any income for token holders at all. That said, a successful real estate manager will typically shoot for 2x returns in 5-10 years. On occasion you might see some hit 3x - 5x, but that's pretty rare. It's possible that REAL could achieve that but it has nothing to do with pioneering tokenized real estate. It's all about whether or not they can find good real estate deals to invest in. I realized when I said it was "impossible" we were referring to returns of 20x, but for some reason I typed 10x into my reply. They could get lucky with a 10x return since the token is trading at half its value right now. If they could 5x what they invest and also hit the tokens actual value, that would be a 10x total. I think that's highly unlikely, but possible. A 20x still seems pretty impossible to me (unless ETH continues to run up while they hold it). |
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I honestly still think you don't really understand this.
Why would you say that a portfolio of $20 million in real estate is worth more than $20 million of cryptos?
I shortened quote, it was making thread unreadable. There are a variety of fee structures in Crowdfunding deals, which range from annual fees as well as
partial participation in upside returns and participation in profits on exit.
We believe the most transparent and interest-aligned formula is a profit share fee, so our interests are
aligned which incentivizes us to make the best returns for our users.
REAL will earn a 10% commission fee on all income or value appreciation profits from investments
made through the platform. For example, if a property participation generates 100 ETH in profits,
REAL platform will keep 10 ETH and pay 90 ETH to the investor. It is appealing to low risk - low income investors. There is not that kind of project in crypto. It will be bigger than the value of the portfolio. Think about it, do you want to hold usdt or real? That 10% is what you as a token holder will be paying to the REAL team. These are not fees that token holders will be earning as a benefit. It will be cut from income. You are not going to pay them from your pocket or anything like that. It is their commission to our income from real platform nothing more. Right. I thought you were implying that those fees would benefit token holders, making tokens more valuable. If that's not what you meant, then I'm not sure I understand why you posted that quote from the whitepaper. |
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I honestly still think you don't really understand this.
Why would you say that a portfolio of $20 million in real estate is worth more than $20 million of cryptos?
I shortened quote, it was making thread unreadable. There are a variety of fee structures in Crowdfunding deals, which range from annual fees as well as
partial participation in upside returns and participation in profits on exit.
We believe the most transparent and interest-aligned formula is a profit share fee, so our interests are
aligned which incentivizes us to make the best returns for our users.
REAL will earn a 10% commission fee on all income or value appreciation profits from investments
made through the platform. For example, if a property participation generates 100 ETH in profits,
REAL platform will keep 10 ETH and pay 90 ETH to the investor. It is appealing to low risk - low income investors. There is not that kind of project in crypto. It will be bigger than the value of the portfolio. Think about it, do you want to hold usdt or real? That 10% is what you as a token holder will be paying to the REAL team. These are not fees that token holders will be earning as a benefit. |
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HODL. Their cash reserves is comfortably 15+ million usd.
4x the current market cap.
imho it is very clear that once platform is live and start buying properties and distributing dividends, REAL will moon. now with ETH $700 they have $19Mill. smart guys common, sell guys!  I am expecting a good pump also. Bought some real very cheap and waiting for more news. Their market cap is less than 5m $ and can easily make a 20x after platform goes online. Lol, this makes it clear that you have no idea how the project works. Panorama, what is your opinion on the value that REAL token should or could have now given they hold close to 20MM USD for investments? I think they hold about $18.7 million of ETH they can invest, not $20 million. Either way, there are 15 million tokens in circulation, so that's $1.33 per token if they hold $20 million. At $18.7 million, it's about $1.25. I know how project work. But also know how crypto community fomos. It won't get to value of something it always makes multiplies of it. You're clearly missing something. Even with FOMO, this won't 10x in the next 5 years. I saw more unbelievable things in kripto than this. At least let me make a scenario for you that you can believe. They decide to hold their eth 6 more months and eth make a 10x (you can't say it is impossible too.) And they have 200 million $ to buy some real estate. Still this scenario is not likely but after platform running and bringing some profit to holders I will remind this conversation  Ok, I'll give you that. If they hold onto ETH and ETH goes 10x then it would be possible. But then you might as well be investing in ETH instead of REAL if that's your bet. Nope, I just want you to accept it is possible in your thinking way. Besides my portfolio ratio is 1 real and 8 ethereum so i'm already investing in ethereum too. But a real estate portfolio with 20 million $ worth of assets worth more than 20m $ in crypto. At least we will see about it. I honestly still think you don't really understand this. Why would you say that a portfolio of $20 million in real estate is worth more than $20 million of cryptos? |
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HODL. Their cash reserves is comfortably 15+ million usd.
4x the current market cap.
imho it is very clear that once platform is live and start buying properties and distributing dividends, REAL will moon. now with ETH $700 they have $19Mill. smart guys common, sell guys! I am expecting a good pump also. Bought some real very cheap and waiting for more news. Their market cap is less than 5m $ and can easily make a 20x after platform goes online. Lol, this makes it clear that you have no idea how the project works. Panorama, what is your opinion on the value that REAL token should or could have now given they hold close to 20MM USD for investments? I think they hold about $18.7 million of ETH they can invest, not $20 million. Either way, there are 15 million tokens in circulation, so that's $1.33 per token if they hold $20 million. At $18.7 million, it's about $1.25. I know how project work. But also know how crypto community fomos. It won't get to value of something it always makes multiplies of it. You're clearly missing something. Even with FOMO, this won't 10x in the next 5 years. I saw more unbelievable things in kripto than this. At least let me make a scenario for you that you can believe. They decide to hold their eth 6 more months and eth make a 10x (you can't say it is impossible too.) And they have 200 million $ to buy some real estate. Still this scenario is not likely but after platform running and bringing some profit to holders I will remind this conversation Ok, I'll give you that. If they hold onto ETH and ETH goes 10x then it would be possible. But then you might as well be investing in ETH instead of REAL if that's your bet. |
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HODL. Their cash reserves is comfortably 15+ million usd.
4x the current market cap.
imho it is very clear that once platform is live and start buying properties and distributing dividends, REAL will moon. now with ETH $700 they have $19Mill. smart guys common, sell guys! I am expecting a good pump also. Bought some real very cheap and waiting for more news. Their market cap is less than 5m $ and can easily make a 20x after platform goes online. Lol, this makes it clear that you have no idea how the project works. Panorama, what is your opinion on the value that REAL token should or could have now given they hold close to 20MM USD for investments? I think they hold about $18.7 million of ETH they can invest, not $20 million. Either way, there are 15 million tokens in circulation, so that's $1.33 per token if they hold $20 million. At $18.7 million, it's about $1.25. I know how project work. But also know how crypto community fomos. It won't get to value of something it always makes multiplies of it. You're clearly missing something. Even with FOMO, this won't 10x in the next 5 years. |
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HODL. Their cash reserves is comfortably 15+ million usd.
4x the current market cap.
imho it is very clear that once platform is live and start buying properties and distributing dividends, REAL will moon. now with ETH $700 they have $19Mill. smart guys common, sell guys! I am expecting a good pump also. Bought some real very cheap and waiting for more news. Their market cap is less than 5m $ and can easily make a 20x after platform goes online. Lol, this makes it clear that you have no idea how the project works. Panorama, what is your opinion on the value that REAL token should or could have now given they hold close to 20MM USD for investments? I think they hold about $18.7 million of ETH they can invest, not $20 million. Either way, there are 15 million tokens in circulation, so that's $1.33 per token if they hold $20 million. At $18.7 million, it's about $1.25. |
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HODL. Their cash reserves is comfortably 15+ million usd.
4x the current market cap.
imho it is very clear that once platform is live and start buying properties and distributing dividends, REAL will moon. now with ETH $700 they have $19Mill. smart guys common, sell guys! I am expecting a good pump also. Bought some real very cheap and waiting for more news. Their market cap is less than 5m $ and can easily make a 20x after platform goes online. Lol, this makes it clear that you have no idea how the project works. |
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I've looked at the other two real estate cryptos (propy and real) and i just feel like atlant is the better investment. I couldnt even find a website for real and the propy website really looks amateurish and poorly put together. I cant even see who is on the team. I'm not saying those two cannot be successful and experience growth but when i look at atlant i see way more effort has been put in and feel they are ahead as of now. They atleast have outlines of their business plans. IMO blockchain based real estate will be a sizeable upcoming market and being first or ahead of everyone else will be very important.
Those three projects are so completely different that you can't really compare them against each other even though they are all related to real estate. |
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They told that they will turn to fiat after ethereum will pass 500$.
It is over 500$ for some time. Any update about it? Did they turn into fiat or waiting for ethereum hard fork maybe (it can raise even more)?
They have only converted enough to cover their operating budget. The rest remains in ETH. I know about it but they told that they will turn fiat when ethereum price will be stable over 500$ but couldn't find when i saw that. It is stable over 500$ so maybe they turned to fiat. no update for that. but they have to cash out abit because first property accusation is getting closer. They definitely have not converted to fiat yet (except for the $3 million for budget mentioned earlier) |
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They told that they will turn to fiat after ethereum will pass 500$.
It is over 500$ for some time. Any update about it? Did they turn into fiat or waiting for ethereum hard fork maybe (it can raise even more)?
They have only converted enough to cover their operating budget. The rest remains in ETH. |
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I think you should also consider being some kind of 'antivirus' of the crypto world to enable investors track the actual SCAM coins (hopefully you're not one of them too), long before they lose money. Most catchy name I've ever seen by the way lol
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. What do you mean they should try to become an anti-virus project? |
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I don't get populous. I'm at a loss to work it out. Total market cap of 1.5Bil. Late on their beta release, no customers, no revenue. No one even knows if it will work. To me this seems to be dramatically overvalued and almost a indication of where crptocurrency market is sitting at the moment. As a long term trader, none of this makes sense to me. The price is rising despite they being late releasing their beta. So far all i can see is a pretty basic website. With a system that doesn't even seem close to working. Call it FUD but help me understand why I'm wrong. With pure facts. I would be interested in speaking to anyone who has tried out the beta release? Then there is some questions relating the founders of this coin. Found numerous people complaining of not being paid by the founders of populous from an assortment of of businesses that have their name on it I found www.twillion.co.uk which had links to the developers Sew capital also claimed to have been a seed investor - however from what i could see sew capital had only ever invested in two company's both related parties to the original developers of this coin. Sew capital website doesn't exist along with twillion. Then there was Zloadr: ZDR seems to be another one of their ventures couldn't tell if it was active or not. then there is 484group.com - website gone seems to be another business venture no longer continuing. www.samenrico.com goes to zloader seems to be gone https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/sew-capital - my advise is to look at this website and have a look at the related entities and you'll see the links. I found a number of other businesses no longer active. Most of the business seem to related to the "social elite" very similar to Luxure Global Citizen. Its also interesting to note none of these businesses appear on steve williams linkedin profile yet given the information linked to these companies they are clearly him. For me this if nothing else appears deceptive at best. I would be steering clear of this one. if all this isn't enough, my advise is have a look at the invoice from luxure global citizen. Several mistakes including commers in the wrong spot. If this is a legit invoice. I really questions the way luxure global citizen operates. You should work on your spelling. As for the beta being late that is understandable. It always taking time to work out the bugs to make sure to get everything right. They have been dead on with everything else. Now Steve Nico has stated that populous will be beta released this christmas. Populous has the backing of youtubers like btc business consult, fiat antidote, clif high, and mike b. These people all give financial advice and put their reputations on the line. Populous is a legit business. Next time do more research. This young investor researched luxure global citizen and had his friend check out their office: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGnS5RGJvdUWhy populous will moon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A4o_rmYY8AHot chicks like populous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwFe5XMK0HoNo offence but what else is there to be spot on with. Populous have released only an alpha version which basically is a login page and a fairly simple website. steve nico actually said it would be release by November and it wasn't so you not high on credibility. No indication things where off track. Populous has backing from business consults because, if you take their word as to what they can achieve. This project looks awesome. Problem with cryptocurrency is its completely unregulated so when you start using tokens like a security. You can claim whatever you want without any requirement that you can actually do these things. So credibility is far more important then with a traditional security. Problem is credibility of these guys is shaky. Most regular securities in this position you wouldn't see a substantial rise in the price when they are late delivering technology. Because of the inherent risk that the technology won't work. I would expect a sizeable haircut to the price if the technology isn't ready and release by the end of the year. Even if you look at their projections they suggest they will turn over just 3 mil in their first year. Given this A 1.5bil valuation just seems to much. Those that see 1000 within 6 months just aren't looking at the realistic best case figures or don't completely understand them. They revised the beta date weeks ago to say that it would launch before year end. Also, the $3 million first year figure is outdated. The first invoice during beta alone is expected close to $1 million. They've given other recent indications that volume should be well over $1 billion during the first year. |
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I believed in PPT as soon as i get into crypto world , i bought immediately after they hit ED after pre-ico. But unfortunately i bought below 1000 PPT's. I assume PPT will be 500-1000 USD next month.
I don't see reasons why PPT may cost 500-1000 USD next month, could you explain why you expect PPT will be 500-1000 USD next month? prob 1 0 2 much. 50 to 100 is possible imo Yeah. 50 - 100 seems reasonable. I don't see 500 - 1000 happening quickly. |
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HODL. Their cash reserves is comfortably 15+ million usd.
4x the current market cap.
imho it is very clear that once platform is live and start buying properties and distributing dividends, REAL will moon. now with ETH $700 they have $21Mill. smart guys Yes, if they sell . Does anyone know their eth address to see ether movements? I bookmarked it some weeks ago but I must had deleted it since I can't find it anymore I don't know, but I'd like to keep track of it as well. |
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Atlant aims to build the next generation of global real estate platform based on block chain technology. I don't know what the difference between the project and REAL is. What are the special advantages that investors should pay attention to?
The two projects are completely different. Atlant is just a platform where investors can buy and sell real estate. Token holders earn a percentage of the fees generated by the platform. They don't actually invest in real estate themselves. REAL actually invests directly in real estate, so buy holding tokens you own a piece of the properties. There's no revenue stream for token holders beyond this. Atlant also has a second business model where they will build a platform to compete with airbnb. Ah yeah, airbnb style. It's the "in" thing - the uberization of everything. Atlant may have a 51% chance of being the first mover for uber real estate. I question the decision to pursue two completely different business models at the same time... |
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Atlant aims to build the next generation of global real estate platform based on block chain technology. I don't know what the difference between the project and REAL is. What are the special advantages that investors should pay attention to?
The two projects are completely different. Atlant is just a platform where investors can buy and sell real estate. Token holders earn a percentage of the fees generated by the platform. They don't actually invest in real estate themselves. REAL actually invests directly in real estate, so buy holding tokens you own a piece of the properties. There's no revenue stream for token holders beyond this. Atlant also has a second business model where they will build a platform to compete with airbnb. |
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before christmas we will get an update, probably the beta. ppt can definitely reach $80 - $100 by then.
What makes you guys think it will be 100$ before Christmas? Could it be possible that beta is released and we don't get the price everyone is looking for because the price has already went from $2-$3 to $40 in anticipation of the beta...who's to say the anticipated beta price hasn't already worked it's way into the market? Buy the rumor sell the news? Kind of contrary if you ask me. In my opinion, the price should largely be a function of the size of the liquidity pool and volume of invoices available. It's hard to say what the right number is, but I think speculation is that it will be very large. If the liquidity pool or available invoices aren't large enough to support the price, we'll probably see a drop until those numbers come up. However, even if that happens, it'll probably just be temporary if the platform is working as expected. |
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Which wallet are you guys using to hold your ppt tokens?
I use a Trezor |
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WHY Is POP trading at $38 and Hive only trading at 0.07? I think one is either over value or under value. They are both the same project
I don't think many people have confidence in Hive |
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