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181  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can Bitcoin be tamed? CME suspends their Bitcoin Future Trading Platforms. on: January 01, 2021, 01:24:24 AM
I can't find any source for this but spammy webpages and the CME quotes page has recently updated quotes.  I think this is false.

i believe so too. nobody reputable reported it. i looked at CME's tick data and there was no halt, no circuit breaker, no nothing. i think the author just saw the massive gap on sunday's open and assumed something was amiss. or they just had a bad data feed that went dead and didn't verify what happened.
182  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Bitcoin, altcoin season index on: January 01, 2021, 12:52:59 AM
this is great---very useful tool for anyone trying to stack sats in the altcoin market, which is all about timing.

i'd love to see a bit more granularity, eg "is it an altcoin week"? when alt season kicks in, it happens fast. i reckon 30-day/90-day averages might lag.
183  Economy / Speculation / Re: nrd525 Market Tracker on: January 01, 2021, 12:39:56 AM
Are financial bubbles more likely to peak in December?  Nikkei 225 peaked on Dec 29, 1989.

20187 Bitcoin bubble Dec
2013 Bitcoin bubble Dec
2011 Bitcoin bubble June

given where the 2013 and 2017 bubbles ended, you're not the first to propose this theory. Tongue

in fact, this is probably why bitcoin rocketed higher all through december---too many people sold expecting a december selloff. now they keep panic buying back in.

there is probably something to the june/december thing. june is typically fiscal year end, the start of summer, "sell in may and go away". december = holiday lull times, plus it's typically tax selling season. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tax_selling.asp

i wouldn't consider it a major factor. as we saw this year, when bull markets are really powerful, nothing can stop them.
184  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2020-12-30 Coindesk - VanEck Proposes ETF for Bitcoin, Once Again on: December 31, 2020, 12:01:34 AM
Eventually the statists will approve an ETF.  It is just a question of when.  Will this time be different?  Who knows.  Will it be a positive for the bitcoin fiat price?  Opinions seem to vary, but my view is that the more options for people to use bitcoin, in this case for capital protection/capital appreciation, the better.

how could it possibly be a negative for price? similar to GBTC, the ETF trust will need to accumulate coins from the spot market to back shares---bullish. institutional investors and retail investors alike will also have much easier (and in their minds, "safer" because regulation) access to the market---bullish. there are no doubt prospective investors who are still on the sidelines for fear of touching unregulated markets and unfamiliar exchanges. they're dinosaurs and they want liquid, regulated markets accessible through their preferred broker, and they also want assets they can easily hold in their mainstream retirement portfolios. that's a big market just waiting to be tapped.

here's my concern with where things are headed. coinbase is taking custody of like half of all new institutional investment. and they just bought xapo too, and surely there will be even more consolidation of the industry in the future. 5 or 10 years down the road, is coinbase just gonna have custody of like 5 million coins or something? more?

that just seems kinda scary to me. Lips sealed
185  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Running a business (Contractor) on BTC on: December 30, 2020, 11:15:46 PM
A real world application I am trying to develop is one that includes my business as a General Contractor where I can utilize BTC as an everyday monetary means of conducting business. For instance I cannot purchase materials needed for a job at the local box store such as Lowes or Home Depot for my next job. I cannot charge my clients for jobs and ask they pay in BTC as a majority of my clients do not even hardly understand the technology and still think it's a fad that is certainly in the realm of mystery and intrigue.

Therefore if I maintain an account that is strictly BTC for my business (No fiat at all) is there a way that can work instantaneously exchange BTC to local currency for transaction both incoming and outgoing? This would be extremely convenient without having to constantly manage account fiat / BTC exchanges on a daily or weekly basis.

Look forward to any input on this matter.

there are lots of payment processors who can invoice your customers, take payment in BTC, and then transmit the fiat value to you, the merchant. bitpay, coingate, coinpayments, etc. you'll notice all these companies market their product as a way for merchants to accept BTC, not as a way for customers to pay in USD.

finding the reverse---a processor who can take payments in fiat and transmit the BTC to the merchant---is much more difficult, due to the high risk of fraud with fiat payment methods.

you could get a bitcoin debit card from coinbase, bitpay, etc. that would allow you to pay at lowes or home depot with bitcoins held in your debit card account. so that takes care of the spending angle. but again, getting bitcoins from your customers in the first place is the tricky part.
186  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who else is putting their Stimulus into Bitcoin? on: December 30, 2020, 10:49:38 PM
If one did, would it be a good idea to be constantly advertising that fact? What if authorities crack down? It's supposed to be stimulus and not take the money and stash it in your own monetary system-ulus.

i'm sure the government hopes people spend the money on consumer goods and services. that's the whole point of direct stimulus---to stimulate the consumer economy, not to stimulate the hoarding of investment assets or cash.

still, there are no restrictions on what people can spend their stimulus checks on, so why would it matter? there's nothing illegal happening here.

in my case, $600 isn't worth that much thought---that's ~0.02 BTC. shrug. i have no specific plans for it.
187  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I have a few questions with Bitcoin. Help please? on: December 30, 2020, 10:17:22 PM
Well, I have one more question. Although it is unlikely to happen in practice, in theory if there is no online miner in the system within 10 minutes and there is no computer trying to solve the hash function for production (if all miners quit Smiley) will BTC production still occur? what happens to the BTC produced? Do you have any guesses?

the blockchain would grind to a halt. no new blocks would be produced. no new bitcoins would be mined. no transactions would be confirmed.

this has happened before with dead altcoins. miners can come back online at any time and pick up where they left off, even years later, but until/unless that happens the blockchain just sits in stasis.
188  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Best Way to Carry Your Seed When Traveling Or Moving Abroad? on: December 30, 2020, 10:10:03 PM
Custom seed - I picked up a public domain book and my feed is the X word from page Y, X+1 & Y+1, etc. Thus my seed is always online, always accessible through the internet and yet always hidden.
Now that you've made your setup public, anyone familiar with you in person and enough incentive will be able to figure it out and find your seed and steal your coins.
Good luck with that!

IMO this is even harder than just brute-force combining every the possible allowed word in the dictionary. There are millions of free public domain books online (https://lifehacker.com/access-millions-of-free-books-added-to-the-public-domai-1837073153, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain).

i assume you didn't actually post the full algorithm publicly?

if it's just privately written down/stored, then it's just an encrypted seed---not the best encryption, but no one who finds it will instantly be able to break it.

keep in mind however, that for anyone remotely sophisticated who is able to take time brute forcing, there are only "millions" of possible combinations. that's not secure at all. i wouldn't consider it sufficiently encrypted to store publicly. it's a lot better than storing a seed in plain text though.
189  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: OTC Over The Counter BTC Trading? on: December 30, 2020, 09:45:43 PM
You think that the big institutional investors, hedge funds, the big players with big money that supposedly driving this bull market price with OTC trades that doesn't register on the market price will sell at $30k?

I asked the same question over & over again but no one is giving a clear answer, that is whether OTC trades or trades done on prime versions of exchanges like Coinbase Pro Prime only for big pocket investors not retail investors like us register on the market price pushing the price up? If NO then who is driving the price of BTC up, is it us retail investors?

there isn't some static permanently available amount of OTC bitcoins for sale. if a few investors buy up all the available coins on the OTC market (as grayscale, square, paypal, microstrategy, etc have been doing all quarter) then OTC demand will spill over onto exchanges and literally push prices up.

in fact, coinbase reported that microstrategy's orders were too large to handle OTC---they were also sourcing coins directly from exchanges. https://blog.coinbase.com/coinbase-is-helping-corporate-companies-diversify-with-crypto-444e8d91ebca

this is how institutions push price up. they use brokers who find liquidity at the best possible price, whether that comes from OTC desks, market makers, exchanges, or whatever.
190  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New Nocoiner narrative, "Bitcoin is not scarce". on: December 30, 2020, 12:55:28 PM
ah, frances coppola. of course she's trolling us now that bitcoin is back at ATHs. as a QE-loving keynesian, her hatred of bitcoin runs deep---to the point of irrationality, apparently. Cheesy

subdivisions is another form of inflation.

in investments share dilutions is a form of inflating companies holdings

0.00000001 BTC is the same as 0.0000000100 BTC. nothing is being diluted.

was dividing BTC into bitcents and mBTC also a form of inflation? Roll Eyes
191  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Donating Bitcoin and IRS form 8283 on: December 30, 2020, 12:29:48 PM
$120 for a single donation (https://cryptoappraisers.com) isn't ridiculous---that's significantly less than 1 hour of billed time from a competent CPA. considering you're avoiding any capital gains taxes and also deducting the entire amount of the donation, $120 seems like an afterthought, especially if you're donating higher amounts.

gifting long term capital gain property = extremely lucrative tax breaks. if they just allowed large untaxed noncash donations without any documentation, that could be abused left and right, so they put the onus on the taxpayer to prove it.

While $120 won't break the bank, it is still ridiculous. It is a rent-seeking rate. The appraiser benefits from the regulation rather than any skill or expertise that they might have. You don't need an hour of a competent CPA's time to look up the price on coinmarketcap. Furthermore, a self-reported value cannot be abused because the IRS can easily check it.

i agree, and i reckon that's why there is an exemption for publicly listed securities. the regs obviously weren't written with bitcoin in mind. i'd like to think that exemption will eventually be expanded to include cryptocurrencies, though i wouldn't hold my breath.

considering the detail required on form 8283 and the legal liability they are taking on, i'm curious---what do you think a fair price would be?
192  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Just created an account with Gemini & have questions on: December 30, 2020, 11:46:50 AM
But have not yet submitted any KYC documents or my bank info, nor tried to make any trades, etc.  Just my email validation and cell number (for 2FA). I have never used an exchange before

you're in the states, right? before you do anything else---do you have a REAL ID? if not, don't bother. they won't verify you.

Most of my BTC is thoroughly mixed/tumbled/CoinJoined.  I do not have LARGE amounts of BTC, but not trivial either.  Am I likely to have problems "cashing in", say, 0.2 BTC (wire transfer to my bank account once in a while) with mixed BTC?  I read about many people having problems with exchanges giving them a hard time about "issues" (most seem to be related to KYC issues, but perhaps some re "tainted" BTC).  I am OK (sort-of OK, don't like it, but I'll do it) with going through the whole KYC rigamarole, I have done that elsewhere, but what might I expect from Gemini?

gemini does mention mixing/tumbling in their terms. it probably depends how your coins were mixed. there have been multiple public instances where coinjoins got peoples' accounts flagged at other exchanges---not so much for centralized mixers.

gemini doesn't tell people why their accounts are being closed, they just close them, so it's hard to say with any certainty how they approach the issue.

Do they have humans to talk to?  I am likely to have various questions...  I could not find any easy emails, for example, when examining Gemini's website nor Coinbase's.  I went with Gemini (for now) because it was easier to figure out how to set up the account.

i'm not sure but according to their "contact us" page, you can open a ticket, call them, or DM on twitter for support. https://support.gemini.com/hc/en-us/articles/204732835-Contact-us

What is this business of "Source of Funds" all about?  Is it an issue if I want to sell BTC?  I have bought BTC pretty regularly in small amount since 2013 (and keeping track of Cost Basis and Selling Prices for taxation records.  But, the money I have used all these years has been mine, what sorts of issues might concern Gemini about this?

it has to do with this: https://www.gemini.com/legal/user-agreement#section-source-of-funds

basically, they wanna cover their ass and make sure you aren't using illegally obtained funds or funds that aren't yours. they don't wanna be used as a money laundering instrument, or facilitate money transmission on behalf of anyone else but you.

if they don't like your answers or you exhibit some account activity they deem risky, i reckon they will close your account.
193  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: XRP SEC lawsuit complaint on: December 29, 2020, 08:28:29 PM
The SEC complaint against ripple XRP is really well written and basically an easier read than I thought it would be.  On page 28.  Only thing that might apply to BTC is this one section:

54. Both memos warned that XRP was unlikely to be considered “currency” under the
Exchange Act because, unlike “traditional currencies,” XRP was not backed by a central government
and was not legal tender.

Most of everything else applies to the company ripple promoting and selling the XRP which would obviously not apply to BTC or BCH since there is no company connection.

Thoughts? 

it's irrelevant to bitcoin IMO. the SEC is only making making that argument to preempt ripple's claim that XRP could be deemed a "currency" under federal securities laws.

regardless of how the SEC defines "currency", bitcoin is almost certainly not a security, for other reasons.
194  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Donating Bitcoin and IRS form 8283 on: December 29, 2020, 07:58:14 PM
Also, it really bothers me that the IRS requires me to pay someone a ridiculous amount of money to say that the donation is worth $X in their expert opinion, when all they did was copy down a number from coinmarketcap.

$120 for a single donation (https://cryptoappraisers.com) isn't ridiculous---that's significantly less than 1 hour of billed time from a competent CPA. considering you're avoiding any capital gains taxes and also deducting the entire amount of the donation, $120 seems like an afterthought, especially if you're donating higher amounts.

gifting long term capital gain property = extremely lucrative tax breaks. if they just allowed large untaxed noncash donations without any documentation, that could be abused left and right, so they put the onus on the taxpayer to prove it.
195  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Mr. Mnuchin plans to regulate non-custodial wallets. on: December 29, 2020, 02:57:40 AM
can anyone clarify---is the reporting threshold in the proposed law $3000 per day, as stated here? because i also see mention of this in FINCEN's original notice:

Quote

the coindesk article does go onto say, "[The controversial rule] originally was thought to be far more stringent than the final version published last week."

but i can't help but wonder if there is an important distinction being missed here. wtf is this about "international transactions"?

$3k ain't that bad. $250 scares the shit outta me.
196  Economy / Economics / Re: We, bitcoiners, should buy a bank on: December 29, 2020, 02:39:57 AM
Do you recall Trendon Shavers and his attempt to form a bitcoin bank?  Not sure if he's out of prison yet, but that's the first thing I think of when I hear suggestions like yours, OP.

he called it a "savings & loan" to give it an air of legitimacy, but it was just a ponzi scheme.

i'm still partial to the crypto capital comparison. if you dig into its origin, it all comes back to this reddit post: https://web.archive.org/web/20130515000701/http://www.reddit.com:80/r/Bitcoin/comments/1dmjyg/bitcoin_from_a_banker_prospective_a_serious/

......which reads just like the OP. basically:

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-OP's Solution: An international bitcoin bank in panama where fraudulent activity within a specific account could be dealt with individually instead of screwing everyone (i.e. bitfloor, bitcoin-24)

-A personal bank account, with online access would be opened in your name, a debit/visa/mc would be issued and you and only you would have control and access to this account

-Internal bank exchange from BTC to your currency would be performed instantly with other bank account holders though an escrow instant account to provide anonymity.

-The Bank will act as any other bank as far as Fiat is concerned but will also provide you with the option to convert your Currency into BTC at any time from multiple open exchanges that will open accounts with the bank.

i love the idea but in practice, it didn't work out so well: President of Crypto Capital arrested in alleged money laundering operation

i'd rather hodl my coins than risk them investing in something like that! Wink
197  Economy / Economics / Re: We, bitcoiners, should buy a bank on: December 29, 2020, 01:00:41 AM
Taking advantage of the huge price rise, I think some early believers should team and buy an existing bank. Not Barclays, nor JP Morgan of course, but there are small banks out there. Imagine a bank owned by bitcoiners, for bitcoiners. It would become an exchange, and it would be the best exchange in the world with the full ability to make Swift and SEPA transfers without the need to use the service of a third party.

that was the entire idea behind crypto capital---a crypto-friendly financial institution that worked seamlessly with exchanges. https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/crypto-capital

unfortunately the rest of the banking world (probably under pressure from regulators) started treating them like a pariah, and they had a harder and harder time moving money to service their customers. that forced them into risky banking relationships where they were rubbing elbows with drug cartels, which eventually resulted in massive bank account seizures and police charges.

in fact, those bank seizures are literally why tether is not 1:1 backed anymore---that goes to how serious this is.

if "crypto-friendly bank" is code for "not compliant with banking/AML laws" then it's not a sustainable solution. regulators and police agencies will just take them down, which will cause lots of collateral damage for partner exchanges.

and if they are fully compliant, then what is it a solution for?
198  Economy / Speculation / Re: How Far is GrayScale & Other Institutions Going to FOMO Bitcoin? Poll! on: December 28, 2020, 11:26:14 PM
....why do you say "CFD"? paypal isn't running a CFD market.
I use the expression CFD because , even if those aren't technically CFD, and maybe as per BitLicence are 100% backed by real bitcoins, for the users are actually CFD: you can only hodl them and sell for the difference. You cannot spend them, you cannot transfer them, you cannot do anything. You also have a credit risk toward PayPal. Thus, are more similar to a CFD than a real Bitcoin, in my opinion.

hmmm, ok. when you said CFD the first thing that popped into my head was "liquidity problems" because the point of CFDs is to offer access to high leverage exposure to the underlying asset in a segregated (low liquidity) market. paypal should not have any such liquidity problems if they are fully backed and source their coins from the spot and OTC markets.

you were saying the SEC would be forced to acquiesce on an ETF because such instruments are dangerous, but what makes an ETF fundamentally more safe? just because it would have SEC oversight rather than NYDFS oversight?

I am just being overcautious here.
An ETF approval would generate a massive outflow from Grayscale (i.e. selling pressure) to switch to the ETF.

but it would only be selling pressure on GBTC, not the spot market. just like there is huge buying pressure now and that has created a big premium, huge selling pressure would destroy that premium, or even create a discount.
199  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Air-gapping 2 devices vs. Trezor/Ledger? on: December 28, 2020, 10:37:19 PM
the wrench attack angle is why i strongly prefer general purpose hardware. hardware wallets just scream "rob me!"
The wrench attack can also happen to your bank account in a home robbery: having a verified account at any exchange is enough to be forced to deposit your life savings, after which the attacker buys Bitcoin with your money.

what i'm talking about is akin to flashing wads of cash in public, where less savory opportunists might notice and come after you. this is why i wouldn't wanna bust out a hardware wallet in a retail setting, show it off in public, etc.

a home invasion is a targeted attack. that's some next level shit. i don't think anyone is targeting me for a home invasion just because i own a cheap netbook! call me paranoid, but announcing yourself as a dedicated crypto investor in public with a ledger or trezor---that may be a different story.

and that's the distinction i'm making---it's not really about hardware wallet vs other security models like airgapping a PC. if you use a hardware wallet only online in your own home, then what i'm saying doesn't apply.
200  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What do you think is a fair transaction fee for the Bitcoin transaction? on: December 28, 2020, 10:15:29 PM
Those who buy coffee are not interested to subsidize extensive Proof of Work that will over-secure their transaction. They are fine if there is a modest PoW and a modest tx fee.

the cost of security (represented as demand for block space) is always gonna be priced in. if other people are willing to pay for bitcoin's POW and you can't afford it (or low value tx simply don't justify it) then use an altcoin (lower security, lower fees) or a second layer network like LN.

it's a free market. we all need to make trade offs. nobody should be paying the cost of a cup of coffee just to buy a cup of coffee. but if you hold value in a lesser altcoin, the chance of the coins you received being double spent is non-zero. there are ways you can lose money on LN too.

fundamentally, that's the trade-off. bitcoin's security is top notch, but it comes at a cost that too many people are willing to pay. if you don't wanna outbid them, you can opt for a weaker security model.

On the other hand, if users do not pay sufficient fees to cover even basic expenses on tx broadcasting and data storage, it's not healthy for the network.

that's not something i'm concerned about, given the existing block weight limit. there is constant demand.
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