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181  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 16, 2014, 01:42:24 AM
Could somebody try to explain to me why oh why would anybody sell so low after getting in on the ICO for at least 250sat?
My head is about to explode from trying to reason that. I know, panic sellers, but that doesn't explain the shear stupidity!

Because the assumed the valuation would increase immediately after launch.

It didn't increase. It fell.

On realising they were wrong they are now cutting their losses in case it goes into the hundreds.


Cutting losses? Gosh, this is getting stupid already...
So, as an investors if you are not on a profit AS SOON as the market opens you panic sell?
That's not called cutting losses, that's called being a stupid trader and inpatient "investor"
182  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 16, 2014, 01:39:29 AM
Could somebody try to explain to me why oh why would anybody sell so low after getting in on the ICO for at least 250sat?
My head is about to explode from trying to reason that. I know, panic sellers, but that doesn't explain the shear stupidity!


Simple, huge hands pushing the price down (creating panic because there are enough idiots out there) with small orders while accumulating from panic sellers...

183  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 16, 2014, 01:33:17 AM
Gotta love panic sellers  Grin
184  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: November 16, 2014, 01:31:47 AM
OMG CRASH HAHA GOOD THING I SOLD MY 4 BTC WORTH ONLY LOST .06  Cheesy Cheesy

Good thing you did that, weak impatient hands don't deserve profit...
Go jump on your next ICO now and sell fast on a loss...
185  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|ICO LIVE on Bter on: November 16, 2014, 12:26:03 AM
This user is currently ignored.

Are you an idiot?
186  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|ICO LIVE on Bter on: November 15, 2014, 07:55:19 PM
This is not an informative post, but I just realized (it took this long for some reason), that BitBay might make Silkroad-type darknet markets obsolete or far inferior. Could someone share thoughs on this?


Im surprised this hasn't really been elaborated on but I think thats exactly where part BitBays market lies.
It could never be brought down like the others.  Cool

SilkBay Smiley)
187  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|ICO LIVE on Bter on: November 15, 2014, 07:51:40 PM
After markets and markets are going to be done the end of the year. How do I know? Because I was the only coder and there is already lots of things hard coded in to make it happen. BUT there is going to be a lot more after release. Fine tuning the trust system, calculating risk, adding more features. It never ends. This is the Half-Life 2 of software. Except you play as we build. So lets say 3-4 months.


Another guy asked about BlackHalo. And if you guys have been following this thread. I'm the biggest BC bull out there. BC gets the markets first actually. They get their own exchange NightTrader. Then i have another special idea in store. But going to avoid discussing it until all this work is done. So lots of excisting things in store.

Good, enough to shake weak hands...

188  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|ICO LIVE on Bter on: November 15, 2014, 07:42:17 PM
Correct me if I am wrong because I have been thinking about this the past few days.  Before Nubits launched, they requested some large investors specifically for 'parking' and that is how they were able to achieve a non volatile price from the onset.  Bit bay is doing the ssame thing but the 'parking' is going to come from the people who bought in at the ICO (and/or whoever has sufficiently participated in the subsequent trading period in the next few months).  It's essentially the same process but the 'large investors' are more spread out here.

Is that close to correct?

If so, then the hedging to a dollar or some other price is really just a matter of coding if I understand correctly - along with a properly placed marketplace.  The hedging is required to create a non volatile Bay (the currency) by which goods can be purchased with confidence. I'm just ruminating in this second paragraph and if this is the case then I think that there is reason to take this project seriously from an investor perspective since it seems like all of this is geared to provide a forum for vendors to begin seriously selling within the marketplace and that is where we will see adoption and increased money flow.

If I am not too far off the mark...it seems brilliant and almost as if real world application decided that the crypto tech was sufficiently advanced to take advantage of for a very real business venture.


You sir are 100% correct. YOU are the backers. Once volume increases money circulates and you profit. The speed of the money determines the speed you cash out. But you have to be careful to not sell too low. If you do, someone will IMMEDIATELY buy your coins and sell into the wall at BTER!

I think this is different from NuBits, in this case we control circulation speed. Parking is not optional. Its mandatory. Its all based on math.

So if you have 1000 dollars in liquidity and the speed of the circle is 5% a month, next month you may have 950 dollars in liquid and 50 off market. You were not given the choice it just happened naturally. Think of it like being forced to invest by the network.

That speed is controlled. So we will all profit but as a company. We need to grow our company in size to increase the speed of the wheel!!

If too many sell, the wheel stops and waits for buyers to force a market correction because the backers need to make arbitrage in order to return their investment of the buy wall. We will set that wall and use statistics from BTER to calculate the rate of the wheel.

When is this parking stuff going to take place?
189  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|ICO LIVE on Bter on: November 15, 2014, 07:38:02 PM
Regarding how the developers get the ICO fund, I would suggest a weekly payment based on the quality of update and github submission.
Meanwhile, if the release of the BitBay wallet is nothing but a simple clone of Blackcoin and BlackHalo, I don't think it could worth more than 10 BTC.
Of course, more BTC could be reimburshed for reasonable advertising cost, etc.
To make it simple, no work no pay. If the team runs away, the rest of the fund could be returned to the investors or used to hire another team.
If all the fund is given to this team who just produces a simple clone of Blackcoin and BlackHalo, I believe the team might have a strong motivation to take the money and run away. It is not difficult to produce a clone of Blackcoin and BlackHalo (which just worth 10 BTC), but it is really difficult to finish the rest of the roadmap (2990 BTC work).

Blackcoin? How is that relevant?
190  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|ICO LIVE on Bter on: November 15, 2014, 07:19:22 PM
Guys I am excited as you are but....1$ a coin? Really?

Do you realize how flawed that is? That would mean everyone who bought a few BTC worth would be millionaires. Logistics fail?

Anyway, great innovative platform...but let's stop floating in the clouds and stay grounded here.

It IS possible. I can prove it in a video which I will show this on a whiteboard and we will make many videos professionally describing the economic theory.

We will fork and immediately freeze assets. However the funds available will be a small fraction of the frozen supply. Think of how ripple has 99% off the market. Well we will be similar. Except the "market" will be all of YOU. Mathematically, if there is only 1 million coins on market and a 2 million dollar buy wall at .95 cents. If everyone sells into the wall they give all the money to the people at the wall. Now any volume has to be higher. This forces arbitrage!! Now the people at the buy wall profit instantly because they suck up all the volume at .97 cents!!! Now you may ask, if your funds are frozen what is the USE??

First of all the use is, as the market grows so does volume so we allow faster circulation. People from the frozen side move to the liquidity side. People from the liquid side move to the frozen side. This happens very slowly. We have the option to decrease or increase this speed. Much like a wheel.

Therefore, its almost the way the US Government controls price. They use money sink holes to suck money out and then allow money to circulate.


They have the ability to depress or inject. Here instead of faking it like most govs do, we do it by freezing and unfreezing or like NuBits calls it, parking. However, in this case we ALL FORM THAT BODY. So this is very similar to decentralized governance? Dont believe me? Do the math. Take 10 dollars but remove nine. Place a buy wall at one and a sell wall at two. Make the supply one dollar. If the full supply sells, the buy wall at one profits because any new volume must now buy at the higher price. The arbitrage allows people to pull pure profit. If they see losses, the circulation stops and nobody new gets in to sell. If the volume increases the circulation increases and economy has been stimulated.


ADD THIS TO THE FACT that there is a market!! This market encourages spending! And with spending invigorates volume which allows for faster circulations of funds.


So its like an engine of money. The only thing that it responds to is volume but not price. The higher volume the faster the wheel moves. But this can be calculated by the sell and buy walls. We know when those walls get hit, that we should be decreasing or increasing supply. We also know when the walls get hit that we need to be increasing speed for volume.

Thus, price and volume is invigorated by economy alone, the money is backed and volatility gone.


Kid, you're smart, hope you won't get bored and keep shooting this up for the long-term

191  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: November 15, 2014, 07:00:52 PM
what is better, supernet or blocknet? sorry, i understand what crypto currency is, but i am not tech inclined in details level.
One thing to bear in mind is that supernet seems to be a one-man project, blocknet has a team (I think, I've not seen side-by-side comparisons).

"The Team" hasn't done $#!T in over 10 days  Angry https://github.com/atcsecure/blocknet

You're just plain stupid. If I'm a coder, I'm supposed to upload every freaking line of code on github as soon as I write it just for your poor greedy ass to see that I'm working all the time?
Gosh, this forum is full of idiots...

u dunno shit about coding biatch  Cheesy

 Huh facepalm
192  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: November 15, 2014, 06:05:10 PM
what is better, supernet or blocknet? sorry, i understand what crypto currency is, but i am not tech inclined in details level.
One thing to bear in mind is that supernet seems to be a one-man project, blocknet has a team (I think, I've not seen side-by-side comparisons).

"The Team" hasn't done $#!T in over 10 days  Angry https://github.com/atcsecure/blocknet

You're just plain stupid. If I'm a coder, I'm supposed to upload every freaking line of code on github as soon as I write it just for your poor greedy ass to see that I'm working all the time?
Gosh, this forum is full of idiots...
193  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|ICO LIVE on Bter on: November 15, 2014, 02:12:29 PM
taking one look at the number of reviews on bter and you already know this is going places...
194  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|ICO LIVE on Bter on: November 15, 2014, 01:37:05 PM
Congratulations to everyone who bought, now remember:

DO NOT SELL FOR LESS THAN .002 BTC!!!

lol and whats your secret target m8  Roll Eyes
This obtuseness is not working when coin's ico surpasses 3000 btc lol. 0.002 is so far beyond reality... and is only your silly personal metrics.

I'll wait for the price to drop to 100 sats Grin

This seems to me quite fair. I suppose price will go even much lower.


There are complete shitcoins like Bytecoin which are 1.5m marketcap.
How can this go lower??? Smiley
195  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|ICO LIVE on Bter on: November 15, 2014, 12:55:55 PM
Any wallet today? Smiley Looking to stake this
196  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|ICO LIVE on Bter on: November 15, 2014, 12:28:04 PM
after devs get there 3k btc funds bitcoin will crash to 300 $ minimum

so stupid ppl...they are buying a billion amount coin for 250-300 sat and there is nothing else than other alts...lol

let dev take ur btc and next Cheesy Cheesy

Dude, how the hell are you even able to use a computer???
Billion? For real?

Open at least a freaking book written in English in your life...

u know me?so just shut up..idc of my english..im no english guy so i guess u still understand me??why u reply my post?if u think im so stupid

ur nickname also say much of ur intelligence...but ya flame other guys about their english..well done dude!

buy more of this shit and get REKT!



"ur nickname also say much of ur intelligence..."

So, you're not just stupid, you are plain ignorant too...I get it...

It has nothing to do with the number of coins but with it's marketcap...


oh wow dude really good arguments..i think u can kill all with ur awesome arguments...im crying now and leave crypto...mimimi

mimimi?Huh!!!!

Mod, please delete those useless posts...
197  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|ICO LIVE on Bter on: November 15, 2014, 12:23:10 PM
after devs get there 3k btc funds bitcoin will crash to 300 $ minimum

so stupid ppl...they are buying a billion amount coin for 250-300 sat and there is nothing else than other alts...lol

let dev take ur btc and next Cheesy Cheesy

Dude, how the hell are you even able to use a computer???
Billion? For real?

Open at least a freaking book written in English in your life...

u know me?so just shut up..idc of my english..im no english guy so i guess u still understand me??why u reply my post?if u think im so stupid

ur nickname also say much of ur intelligence...but ya flame other guys about their english..well done dude!

buy more of this shit and get REKT!



"ur nickname also say much of ur intelligence..."

So, you're not just stupid, you are plain ignorant too...I get it...

It has nothing to do with the number of coins but with it's marketcap...
198  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|ICO LIVE on Bter on: November 15, 2014, 12:17:58 PM
after devs get there 3k btc funds bitcoin will crash to 300 $ minimum

so stupid ppl...they are buying a billion amount coin for 250-300 sat and there is nothing else than other alts...lol

let dev take ur btc and next Cheesy Cheesy

Dude, how the hell are you even able to use a computer???
Billion? For real?

Open at least a freaking book written in English in your life...
199  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|ICO LIVE on Bter on: November 14, 2014, 11:46:15 PM
When ico finishes will bter allow free trading straight away?

You ask about trading?
Heck, I want my wallet now to stake those coins for 4-5 months...

BlackCoin gains V2.0, if you know what I mean  Grin
200  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Blocknet] The internet of blockchains | XBridge | true cross-chain P2P on: November 14, 2014, 11:44:09 PM
Based on how many work was done so far - from github (https://github.com/atcsecure/blocknet) it seems that devs lack motivation. I am no pro coder, but when I work on some project (arduino / raspberry custom stuff on demand mostly) to which I am thrilled, I work 16/7 on it. But maybe its because nobody pays before in real world..

Can you explain why that means the devs lack motivation?

Well, look at the dates when files were updated.. Any bells ringing?


Yes I saw the dates, I'm asking you to explain why that means the devs lack motivation?

Most files are 3 weeks old, youngest are "only" 10 days old. Does it seems to You that 10 days is OK? Its ages in crypto armsrace, furthermore when its game of $1m.

They got paid upfront, good luck honestly trying to make them work faster. Not implying that I know their speed of work or difficulty, but I'm honestly against any form of ICO. It goes against everything what crypto is.

Imho the premined (and mineable) coins had still more incentives for the devs, because the quality of their works shaped the value of their payment.

Probably buying in if this goes as low as 8-10k, would be risk free.

Yeah, i'm with you here, imagine everybody in the world working for free just to make us rich. Such a dream...

/sarcasm off
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