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181  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gox Crisis Management Plan Confirmed Legitimate on: February 26, 2014, 03:38:16 AM
I don't understand how people could have withdrawn bitcoins, used transaction malleability to make gox think there was an error and resend the coins... to the tune of 750,000 BTC without mtgox noticing something was wrong... am I missing something? or is the loss related to something else?
Crazy Rabbit's theory is that they never had the 700k in coins to start with.  Gox may have been selling non-existent coins all along as the transactions were off blockchain.

Gox thought they were making money but actually due to malleability issue, they were getting continually drained of real bitcoins.

So the liability side to customers kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger.  

I would say that Karpeles is a genius retard... IMHO of course.

That does not compute. You query the btc balance of every user. Check.
You then check you hot wallet balance in bitcoind. Check.
You then check your cold wallet money has not moved. You still control it. Check.
Do the simple math.

What you say is correct.  I don't think MtGox was able to query btc balance of every user.
The hot wallet would've been running low.  I don't know if it was topped up and how many times.
I think cold wallet is still somewhere but most likely has been shifted for "security reasons". 
MtGox was unable to do the maths, it would appear.  Sad
182  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ***** THE ZEROCOIN SOURCE - Truly anonymous coin ***** on: February 26, 2014, 03:35:34 AM
I hope it is scrypt jane, to make what i consider to be the ultimate coin.  Smiley
183  Economy / Speculation / Re: It feels like we are on a new rocketship on: February 26, 2014, 03:33:26 AM
A bunch of Chinese investors triggered buys when btcs dropped to $450, hence why we saw them gobbling coins over the last few hours.
184  Economy / Speculation / Re: Mark K "The coins are not lost, just temporarily unavailable" - chat log on: February 26, 2014, 03:23:26 AM
It means the coins still exist; somewhere... He just doesn't own the private key for them...
Then why say temporarily? That indicates to me that they weren't stolen.

Cold storage coins cannot be stolen for it would imply incredible stupidity amounting to gross negligence and outright fraud.  I speculate it has been moved to a "safe place".  
185  Economy / Speculation / Re: Mark K "The coins are not lost, just temporarily unavailable" - chat log on: February 26, 2014, 03:21:41 AM
That's right: bitcoin reserves are probably still out in the wild, though likely insufficient to cover 750k in coin liabilities.

Karpeles will have to cough up if he wants to avoid jail time.
186  Economy / Speculation / Re: It feels like we are now on a new rocketship on: February 26, 2014, 03:14:54 AM
Until we get the full story about what's happened with gox there will be plenty of bumps and panics ahead.
I speculate that the next big story will be what happened to MtGox's bitcoin reserves.  They cannot have disappeared into thin air.  I speculate that management went into "damage control" once they realised their outstanding claims to off blockchain btcs amounted to 750k btcs.  MtGox's reserves will have to pop up at some stage.
187  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gox Crisis Management Plan Confirmed Legitimate on: February 26, 2014, 01:46:59 AM
I don't understand how people could have withdrawn bitcoins, used transaction malleability to make gox think there was an error and resend the coins... to the tune of 750,000 BTC without mtgox noticing something was wrong... am I missing something? or is the loss related to something else?
Crazy Rabbit's theory is that they never had the 700k in coins to start with.  Gox may have been selling non-existent coins all along as the transactions were off blockchain.

Gox thought they were making money but actually due to malleability issue, they were getting continually drained of real bitcoins.

So the liability side to customers kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger.  

I would say that Karpeles is a genius retard... IMHO of course.
188  Economy / Speculation / It feels like we are on a new rocketship on: February 26, 2014, 01:42:53 AM
Very sad what happened at Gox. Can't believe Karpeles thinks he can continue with rebranding - so out of touch with reality.  

Regardless, as I watch btc prices recover from $430 to $500 and now to $550 - I feel the worse is behind us.  

Gox is bust.  They have no coins to make good as Karpeles has confirmed a deficit of 700k plus coins via IRC.

This feels like a new rocketship to me.  I don't mean to make light of what has happened and to spread unnecessary optimism.  

I'm just stating that the market is forward looking - and right now, the future looks pretty good.

BTW - number one lesson of Gox: stay away from exchanges that do not provide segregated verifiable accounts.  Especially BTC-E - whose creators are ANONYMOUS.  You will have zero recourse if BTC-E collapses.  Keep the bulk of funds in your own wallet.

Exchanges need to be more transparent: allow users to switch between segregated versus pooled wallet.  Re: pooled wallet - exchanges should report total funds held on behalf of customers and reserves to back those liabilities on the blockchain itself.  Weekly or monthly signing of the public address would also be good.
189  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gox Crisis Management Plan Confirmed Legitimate on: February 26, 2014, 01:21:59 AM
The only question on my mind is: how long before Karpeles is in jail for insolvent trading/fraudulent conduct/gross negligence?

190  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: February 25, 2014, 10:50:19 PM
For all the Havelock folks - realize that you run the same risks as the guys who kept BTC at MtGox:
It is not wise to keep shares there (or BTC): Use exchanges to buy or sell, not store.
There is a small difference in that FC is able to reallocate to true owner. Whether he does or not is a separate thing.
191  Economy / Speculation / Re: Official End of Mt Gox thread on: February 25, 2014, 08:46:32 AM
Karpeles should be going to jail for insolvent trading and defrauding people, IMHO.
192  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [Closed]R17x: Black Arrow Prospero X-3 <DZMC Exclusive> $130 / 40GHS on: February 24, 2014, 11:41:50 AM
If I don't get the promised refund by end of this week I will give bobsag3 aka Matt Carson a negative trust rating on 6 x r17 shares.
193  Economy / Speculation / Re: A ramp is near... on: February 22, 2014, 08:09:21 PM
Nice chunky buys kicking in... Just waiting on the Gox confirm on withdrawals being ok before confidence rebuilds.
194  Economy / Speculation / A ramp is near... on: February 22, 2014, 02:52:24 PM
I can feel it starting. Gox about to allow withdrawals soon. The bears capitulating and worriers turn into speculators, more fearful of missing out on the next big ramp.
195  Economy / Speculation / Re: Official End of Mt Gox thread on: February 21, 2014, 08:05:34 PM
We have no evidence that Gox was running a fractional reserve system, unless someone can point us to data proving so? It's unlikely for them to do so precisely because of Btc appreciation versus fiat in the months leading up to November 2013.

One would think, except for the fact that the "delays" in BTC withdrawals have followed a sharp rise in the BTC/USD rate in November / December 2013.
I thought the delays were initially in fiat. Only after a few months, were Btc withdrawals delayed, which caused gox Btc rates to fall below other exchanges?
196  Economy / Speculation / Re: Official End of Mt Gox thread on: February 21, 2014, 07:34:44 PM
We have no evidence that Gox was running a fractional reserve system, unless someone can point us to data proving so? It's unlikely for them to do so precisely because of Btc appreciation versus fiat in the months leading up to November 2013.
197  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Vertcoin-Adaptive N-factor Scrypt-No more ASICs-[EXCHANGES/AMAZON/ATM/MERCHANTS] on: February 21, 2014, 07:27:48 PM
I think it would be nice to see a poll about zerocash. What do you guys say? Would be fair. We, the community, should also have a word to say.

I thought I had better address this, because it'll come across rude if I don't say something, although I don't particularly want to because it's tough to say anything without coming across a little bit brusque. There's 2 reasons a poll is not necessary, or useful - first,  why on earth would the people who develop this associate themselves with things that could land them on watch-lists or with legal difficulties simply because a majority of people on an internet forum said so! Secondly, even if most people on Bitcointalk wanted anonymity features in VTC (which I don't believe by the way) Bitcointalk is a tiny niche of hardcore crypto-heads and what they like might be the death of Vertcoin!


I fully understand and respect this decision from the outset. There will be heat for sure, which is why satoshi himself remains anonymous and why bushido has not publicly revealed himself. Whether vertcoin dies or not depends on itself, not government.
198  Economy / Speculation / Re: Official End of Mt Gox thread on: February 21, 2014, 07:21:11 PM
I cannot understand why Gox has not issued a statement to the effect that x% of total funds was in their hot wallet versus cold wallet. That would reassure a lot of people. Just a really sad situation really. The management appears extremely inadequate in dealing with the public. They do not realise the impact they are having on bitcoin itself.
199  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Vertcoin-Adaptive N-factor Scrypt-No more ASICs-[EXCHANGES/AMAZON/ATM/MERCHANTS] on: February 21, 2014, 07:13:06 PM

The easy answer is: Government would not tolerate it. Precisely why we should all wait and see what the particular privacy features the devs have mentioned they are working on. So far DEVs of this coin have done a terrific job guys, just take a look at some other coins and what goes on in their threads - complete mess. We are focused group here, let's keep this a positive community and calculated steps. ZeroCash is a big step plus even bigger risk because it may isolate us completely. Is this a completely must-have right now? No, it is not. Our goal is mass adoption and to do what Bitcoin did but in quarter of the time. In business, you must know how to manage and navigate risk. At the present time this isn't risk worth taking because it will lead us in wrong direction.  Additionally, I think the devs got some cool tricks up their sleeves with security features they said they are already working on that will surely be innovative. Let's let them do what they do best  Smiley And we keep spreading good word around community about Vertcoin and keep pushing it forward!
This is the same line of reasoning used by the bitcoin devs. As a result bitcoin is missing the important privacy layer (and the internet also fell into the same mistake). Mass adoption of cryptos is an eventuality not a maybe. From that perspective, it would be better to build the ideal coin rather than a conforming coin. Sure, I understand that another coin could do this anonymity thing rather than vertcoin but i think it would be a mistake when we take a look back five years from now and wonder whatever happened to that green coin with a funny French name.
200  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Vertcoin-Adaptive N-factor Scrypt-No more ASICs-[EXCHANGES/AMAZON/ATM/MERCHANTS] on: February 21, 2014, 07:00:03 PM
I see some valid reasons brought up about zerocash. The fact of the matter is if you want the widest amount of acceptance from both a miner/investor level all the way up to the government you're going to need transparency. I agree with the decision that was made by the devs. Do you really think the government will let a coin run rampant if they can't ensure that it's not being used for illegal activity and/or the government isn't getting its cut? Or do you think they would be more accepting if there was transparency? I think the choice is clear.
I believe the assertion that "acceptance of government is required" to be false. Bitcoin will fulfil that role. The reality is that vertcoin cannot displace bitcoin in that role. If vertcoin does not take this initiative of privacy then another coin will. The assumption of miner acceptance and government acceptance being required at the same time will be tested sooner or later. I think it would be advantageous for vertcoin to be the first in this space. If not, it will be a missed opportunity in my view.
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