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181  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 22, 2017, 03:21:19 AM
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You lost on your journey to ZH?
There is so much fallacy to his argument, not sure where to begin. Try exchanging gold for anything without some usery fee.

There is no fee.  You're talking about an arb fee for exchanging between a debt based currency system where the USD is unit of account to a different system.  If metals are the unit of account, there is no arb fee and no debt based currency or usury fees either.  If you transfer into bitcoin, you're back into a debt based usury system once again.  Bitcoin does NOT remove the middleman, only physical commodity based currencies like metals do.
182  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 22, 2017, 03:00:06 AM
In simple terms, why you should hope cryptocurrency dies and gold and silver defeats them:

All cryptocurrencies are inherently rent seeking usury systems and a pseudo form of debt based currency if you will. The PoW chain does not just magically stay up on it's own, it requires a constant upkeep to exist at all (rent). A peer to peer physical gold or silver transaction can be done with no overhead cost; they're the equivalent of an off-chain transaction with no middleman or monopoly man gouging you with usury fees.  

Cryptocurrency is completely different.  Even if you attempt to do off-chain transactions via something like lightning network, or even in-person transactions with physical bitcoin bearer bonds, the transactions ALWAYS have to be settled on-chain eventually, so you are NEVER escaping the rent seeking usury system.  Since the blockchain is highly scaling constrained, it's like condeming yourself to extreme usury in the end game.  Bitcoin PoW is designed to centralize and the cartels running the mining operations will either be taken over by TPTB who already run the current system, or will just be a recreation of them in practice.

The further you abstract money away from barter, the larger a scam it is.  Only physical commodity based currencies are sound money that remove middlemen while allowing you to escape the debt based, rent seeking usury system.

183  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: July 22, 2017, 01:56:10 AM
I replied to the anonymint thread and this is why I'm anti-craptocurrency now, because they are debt based, rent seeking usury systems and my goal is to defeat that paradigm, not create a new obfuscated form of it.  Physical gold and silver commodity currency does this.  Cryptocurrency is nothing but an extension of the same system as now:

Quote from: r0ach
1)  Most of your argument revolves around the idea that humans are going into a "knowledge age" and cornering of capital and commodities is useless, which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Being a slum lord in the future will always be just as profitable as in the past in a closed ecosystem (earth) of limited resources if you're able to defend said resources.

2)  The drop in commodity prices over time is not evidence heralding a "knowledge age", it's because humans discovered MASSIVELY cheap energy like when oil was cheaper than water in texas, and ever since this has been a game of nothing but arbing excess energy for materials, and now that energy is experiencing collapsing EROI so the arb game is up.

3)  Cryptocurrencies not only have no Schelling point, they have a reverse Schelling point because network effect assumes infinite scalability. As soon as the fees go up, people will be moving into the next coin to avoid usury, and all these networks are highly scaling constrained by design. Death by dilution is inevitable without scaling.

4)  Cryptocurrency doesn't function as a store of value because it's price floor is recursive based on it's own demand (in PoW). This means it's a complete house of cards in terms of so called value storage.
In commodities like silver, the ESF practices Keynesianism in the commodity markets and naked shorts them down to cost of production to try and keep their market caps as low as possible and prevent them from competing with the dollar. Why? Because nobody would submit to slavery via debt based scam currency at all unless you force them into it.

They can't short metals lower than cost of production because it would create scarcity and be counterintuitive to their goals. However, they can short bitcoin below cost of production because there is no real price floor, only a temporary, synthetic one. This in turn causes the miners to be forced to turn off (like KNC) and the synthetic floor crashes even more until the thing implodes to nothingness.

Another reason why craptocurrency is horrible and not a sound form of money. Metals like silver can be manipulated by shorts to contain their market cap, but bitcoin can actually be destroyed by them due to having no real floor.

5)  All cryptocurrencies are inherently rent seeking usury systems and a pseudo form of debt based currency if you will. The PoW chain does not just magically stay up on it's own, it requires a constant upkeep (rent). A peer to peer gold or silver transaction can be done with no overhead cost, but a cryptocurrency transaction always travels through the hands of the rent seekers and will cost > 0.

6)  The further you abstract money away from barter, the larger a scam it is
184  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 21, 2017, 07:07:41 PM
Quote from: r0ach
LET'S REMIND THE SHIT COINS WHO THE REAL KING IS!!!


185  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 21, 2017, 03:23:54 AM
Breaking crapcoin news:

http://www.dailystormer.com/no-hard-fork-for-ethercucks/
186  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 21, 2017, 01:15:57 AM
Buy on rumor, sell on news. I just bought a little bit of gold with some satoshi. Not much, but I was bored looking at the silver bullion coins that I bought a few weeks ago. Now with my bullion holdings, I'll be able to buy a month worth of cigarettes if financial collapse happens. Cheesy

You should also get some 90% junk silver coins if you don't already have some. In a worst case SHTF scenario, would be great for barter.

I don't likem.  Eagles if the premium is low ($2-$2.25), maples if they're not, and 10 oz sunshine mint bars.  Anything less would be uncivilized.

187  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 21, 2017, 12:17:04 AM
Locked!!!!

Now what?

Now you get to discover there is no decentralized lightning network.
188  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 20, 2017, 11:36:28 PM
I'd like to thank everyone for coming out and contributing to this year's enrich Jihan Wu pump and dump.  Please stop by and attend next year's "let's get this money transported from the Guang Dong province to Vancouver" pump.
189  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 20, 2017, 11:22:00 PM
Only because he can sound somewhat eloquent at times , I foolishly listened  and heeded advice
of that jew hating pm buffoon once a few months back,
and it cost me dearly... never again.
Now probably  like most other intelligent WO members here, i just laugh at his nonsensical posts.

Lol, what a load of shit.  BTC and Eth are both cults where if you say something like "yea guys, I don't believe this shady centralized scamtoken will become the world reserve currency", then all kinds of lunatics start screeching at you like "LIAR! ETH will be the world computer and BTC will be the world reserve currency! You are a bad person because you're not hyping the pump and dump!"
190  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 20, 2017, 10:48:28 PM
Were gonne fall back to lower levels like rOach said And kwuckfuck.

Who the hell are these fly by night "bitcoin can only go up!" noob posters?  I said bitcoin is a pump and dump that's inferior to gold and silver.  Typically pump and dumps need to go up in order to have someone to dump on, so jump in little lemming and buy some of your pump and dump shares.  Just make sure to get rid of them if the china cartel notices nobody is chasing their pump and dumps on you.
191  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 20, 2017, 10:33:57 PM
Did anyone see this latest crypto scam?  Right as BIP91 looks ready to pass, Bologniex freezes Litecoin market out of the blue then immediately dumps it upon un-freeze (because BTC with segwit is probably bad for LTC). Looks like the type of shit you would see with people trading on their own exchange:



Now after this statement (in bold)you are going on permanent ignore. Before I just thought you were a shill for the gold industry, now I know you have no idea what you are talking about.

What a dumb statement.  The LTC market dumped, backing up exactly what I said.  It's you in the wrong obviously.  Unless you want to try and pull the phony argument that the market trades in LTC/USD pair, but any actual trader knows alts trade against BTC pairing.  Alt charts make absolutely zero sense using USD pairings.  Alts are derivatives of BTC, not USD.
192  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: July 20, 2017, 10:19:02 PM
And another day of watching bitcoin scams in real-time:

Did anyone see this latest crypto scam?  Right as BIP91 looks ready to pass, Bologniex freezes Litecoin market out of the blue then immediately dumps it upon un-freeze (because BTC with segwit is probably bad for LTC). Looks like the type of shit you would see with people trading on their own exchange:


193  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 20, 2017, 10:12:17 PM
Did anyone see this latest crypto scam?  Right as BIP91 looks ready to pass, Bologniex freezes Litecoin market out of the blue then immediately dumps it upon un-freeze (because BTC with segwit is probably bad for LTC). Looks like the type of shit you would see with people trading on their own exchange:

194  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 20, 2017, 09:14:31 PM
Will r0ach continue his bitcoin bashing all the way up to the next couple of all-time highs? How one can be wrong so many times...

Wrong about what?  I didn't say anything about it going up or down.  I said:

bitcoin has solved zero problems whatsoever concerning money.  It doesn't solve byzantine generals, it has no Nash equilibrium, it's full of counter party risk, it's designed to centralize, doesn't scale, not fungible, not a store of value, etc.  Hence it's zero competition to gold and silver in current state.  Bitcoin in current form is literally trash compared to gold and silver.  

It's a linked list with a get rich quick scheme built on top of it, nothing more, nothing less.  Everything about it is completely arbitrary in nature.  It does not isolate any type of problem and solve it in an objective manner. It's a Rube Goldberg machine.
195  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 20, 2017, 07:48:34 PM
Now you know why TPTB don't even attempt to try and stop bitcoin with people like Larry Summers even actively promoting it.  It's part of the jewish banking scheme to de-cash society and bring in the cashless slave system:


http://www.silverdoctors.com/headlines/finance-news/cashless-society-alert-visa-will-be-giving-up-to-500000-to-restaurants-that-go-100-cashless/



196  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 20, 2017, 04:37:32 PM
Miners wanted to make it look as if Segwit may not get locked in this period as to accumulate some remaining cheap coins then come back last minute and save the day. This way they are able to obtain cheap coins as well as garner the trust of the community when we face further impasses such as the 2mb HF.

Well done.

So now you're applauding that bitcoin is completely centralized under a mining cartel who rigs the market for their own pump and dump profits?  Anyone who doesn't support changing the PoW after watching them do the exact same segwit BIP manipulation in LTC AND Bitcoin is a complete fool.  Without commodity hardware mining via something like a GPU, there is no reason for bitcoin to exist.
197  Economy / Economics / Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion on: July 20, 2017, 03:54:04 PM
The fact that I proved you did sell out st 700 shows that I am right about you.

LOL, I've never seen such a blatant liar in all my life.  I used to have 100% of my money in btc, then I decided it was a stupid idea to keep every cent in btc.  Does that mean I sold all of it?  No.  It's like me claiming that if you bought a sandwich with bitcoin that you sold all of it.

You also lie daily about bitcoin fundamentals.  It's not money, it's not anything.  This is what bitcoin is:

So I see BIP passed. Interesting, miners kept screwing with it till the wire.

It's called a pump and dump scam.  They painted a cup and handle that shouldn't exist then screwed with BIP signaling turning it off and on (like bitfury) to try and rig the market then turn it back on and pump trying to attract greater fools to chase their pump.  The only reason to dabble in the bitcoin market at all is to try and extract money from it to turn into physical gold or silver.  It's a completely centralized pump and dump scam at this point.  Not supporting a PoW change is completely idiotic when the centralized mining cartel does stuff like this right in front of your eyes in BOTH LTC + BTC segwit activation.
198  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 20, 2017, 03:35:18 PM
So I see BIP passed. Interesting, miners kept screwing with it till the wire.

It's called a pump and dump scam.  They painted a cup and handle that shouldn't exist then screwed with BIP signaling turning it off and on (like bitfury) to try and rig the market then turn it back on and pump trying to attract greater fools to chase their pump.  The only reason to dabble in the bitcoin market at all is to try and extract money from it to turn into physical gold or silver.  It's a completely centralized pump and dump scam at this point.  Not supporting a PoW change is completely idiotic when the centralized mining cartel does stuff like this right in front of your eyes in BOTH LTC + BTC segwit activation.
199  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 19, 2017, 11:08:05 PM
200  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 19, 2017, 12:09:44 PM
Bitcoin is a scammy enough pump and dump, but how is the scam below even worth $1 still, let alone hundreds of dollars?

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