Have you ever traded anything on bitcointalk ? i guess not
bitcoin escrow is great, a few highly trusted users but most of them are either very slow/picky or expensive to be honest, and this is one main reason that some people prefer to use some other "almost" instant escrow services. " don't PM me to ask what are those , i don't want to be accused for shilling anything, DYOR".
if both parties agree on trusting a unicorn to be their escrow then why FORCE them to use forum escrow?
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indeed , there is avery good chance scammers will suggest other fake-escrow and refuse to use the forum's escrow for the simple reason of scamming you, but this is not a good enough reason to "FORCE" anyone to use any particular service.
Have i ever traded anything on bitcointalk ? guess not ? Actually i've traded more than you ( in value) for sure. If they want to use different 3rd party escrows, they can go there to use their services |
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Im talking about people like monbux,philip,mj,ognasty and people known from years here.
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You are trying to bridge very different ideas with your thread. 1st part - The term for these escrows is "Forum Trusted Escrow" hopefully that clears up the need for naming them. The reason they are used and the term is what I find floating in the Marketplace is because they have longevity, and a proven trackrecord for providing trustworthy escrow services. Now the truth of that is it means nothing if 1 day one of them decides to take the funds and run, exit scams have happened. It was before my time afaik. I point that out as people still need to pay attention to what they are doing and who they are trusting with their funds. This is because the forum doesn't moderate scams, because it involves a lot of resources and time; not to mention what you perceive as a scam may be legitimate business elsewhere. So due diligence is everyones responsibility. Now your point of making people do this or that really flies in the face of less regulations within the forum. It is already widely accepted as the way business is done here to use escrow. All you can do is make a point of asking about it when it would be necessary, or not trading without it. You may want to look through a couple of these topics. Prevention is better than a cure. Please escrow. This is stickied in the marketplace goods section. [WTS] Posting guidelines for physical goods This was a topic I made, when I was probably feeling similar to yourself. 2nd Part- This problem is solved by using the report button. I get it's there's really not much fun involved it's repetitive and not overly rewarding (unless you take satisfaction in it). Unfortunately that's all that can be done for that problem, but it can bring about a great change. This can show that more moderators are needed by showing the hard facts of how many posts need to be moderated daily. No need for more sections unless you are trying to enlist people to join you on a reporting campaign. It may be inline with what they are doing in the Spambusters thread. Actually our forum escrows is Official escrows. There is no need Theymos to say someone is official escrow but we the people using the forum. We are bitcointalk the users, not only the owner, and consider we trust those people from years, and they are proven legit, we can call them official. We, the people can give them the "official" meaning, and it is better to use them instead of 3rd party's. Also the problem is never solved by using the report button because there is not enough moderators, and the spam there is 99% of the topics, which means from 500 pages of thread about altcoin marketplace, there is more than 400 topics which have no place there. |
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I believe a GPU rental or complains about withdraw issues do not belong to alt market section.
If they do, that would be the most insanely weird section bitcointalk have....
There is discussion, speculation but the altcoin marketplace is the only section which can include everything on it, and i mean even discussion, speculation or announcements and all of they would be considered as place for altcoin marketplace but not at their real sections...
What a weird altcoin section we have
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I type what i think and should, that the thread doesn't belong to this section.
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My accuracy is 91% of 600-700 reports but i don't understand why people suggest me to report the spam from the altcoin marketplace if no one clean it ?
The altcoin market section is the worst section on this forum, no one take care of it.
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desto moderators are scammers, same as the people there.
when you say the words "escrow" they running away from conversations and ignoring.
i would stay away from people who refusing to use escrow and calling them scam
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You keep calling them 'bitcointalk escrows', but they are not 'bitcointalk escrows'. There is no agreement between bitcointalk and the escrows to offer those services. They have not been appointed by theymos or someone else to offer the services nor are they forced to do so. They dont pay a fee to bitcointalk (as far as I know) or work for the forum directly so you cant refer to them as 'bitcointalk escrows'. They are just trusted users, using the site to offer their services. You can do the same thing and you wouldn't be a 'bitcointalk escrow' or a 'non-bitcointalk escrow'.
If you sell your PC over ebay - should I call you an Official Ebay PC Dealer?
They may not have agreement between bitcointalk but they are the only people with feedback which can be trusted to be called bitcointalk escrows. That's why they are not official but still our last hope to not being scammed. Also consider the last complains about how people being scammed via bitfy, paxful and so, i believe our escrows proven from years is much better than 3rd party websites and their back coors. No one will be appointed by theymos as escrow because if something goes wrong, this will affect theymos itself for promoting them as official escrows. Yes they are bitcointalk escrows because they provide escrow service in bitcointalk.
I already said they are not official but still they provide service in bitcointalk only so they are bitcointalk escrows.
If I run translation services here, will I become "Bitcointalk translators" then? No hard feelings but the term is a bit misleading to me. Yes you will, but not official one same as the escrows. But why everyone ignore the fact about the forgotten sections and everyone talk about the escrows ? The problem with spam is huge and the moderators are not enough. |
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If you can't solve the person problem at least follow his request.
If he's not the original owner of that account/coins why would he request them to be refunded back to the source they were before the deposit to your system/wallet.
He will win nothing if the coins not belong to him if you just transfer them back from where they came from.
But it will fix his problem if you just turn back the coins from the wallet they came from.
Obviously no one can be scammed with simple refund back to the wallet they come from.
It is more than obvious that only the person who send them will receive them back with that wallet, and if that's the same person (OP) you will fix his problem ando not let any scammer take them.
Simple solution.
Hi Rambotnic, We are getting your point but according to our practice, we never transfer funds under the KYC procedure on our own. This transfer is solely upon a customer as a verified owner of his wallet. If customer don't want to provide you KYC and use your services, then you are allowed to hold his funds without his willing ? If someone don't want to agree with your terms of service, turn back the coins to the original source and don't let this user to use your services if he don't agree with them. But if someone was not aware of your terms before your hold, the hold itself makes it scam from your side. No one is forced to accept your company/service terms of service, same as you are not allowed to hold someone else funds. A honest company/service will always refund the funds to their original source if the same do not agree with your rules and terms. You cannot force anyone to anything, especially by holding their funds. You should consider your terms of service, they should not force anyone to anything but only require/request. |
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Are you guys blind or you can't see this thread is since May 09
Stop grave digging old threads
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The greed for merit is like plague since the existing...
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Correct me if I am wrong here fellas, but if everyone creates their own custom trust lists Default Trust will have little to no meaning....
Well the default trust will alawys have some meaning, especially to the new members which don't know how to create their own. |
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The Pharmacist is actually doing pretty well after pming him.
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so your fixing your rate because the previous one screams "scam"  :D:D this sounds legit as hell, i would like to purchase 100,000$ worth of, you going first. msg me /sarcasm |
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They are just escrows, not bitcointalk escrows. It is up to you whether to trust them or not. Q: Why haven't you banned <insert scammer username here> who is an obvious scammer?
A: Possible (or real, not for me to decide) scams are not moderated to prevent moderator abuse. If we start picking out which ones we call "scammers" and ban, we would make a lot of decisions based on biased opinions.
Yes they are bitcointalk escrows because they provide escrow service in bitcointalk. I already said they are not official but still they provide service in bitcointalk only so they are bitcointalk escrows. |
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Interesting statement, in my long use of WU which is about 10 years i never hear about that.
Could you show some proofs for your statements or we are just here to spam?
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Part one. Let me start in first place for the escrow services here in our forum. The problem with escrows is something that should be considered. Im talking about the many topics in the currency exchanges where people want 3rd party escrows and offer other websites/platforms to be used as escrow. Bitcointalk have our own escrows, yes, they are not official but, they are bitcointalk escrows. I suggest everyone who create topic about buying/selling and requesting escrow to be FORCED to use forum escrow. Any other suggestions to 3rd party platforms/websites to act as escrow, should be removed/deleted. Why ? Because if someone wants to use localbitcoins or bitfy or whatever other escrow platform/agent/website, he is free to open topic/sale/exchange on their platform. Trades/sales/exchanges requiring escrow, should be handled by our escrows. Many people get scammed from people redirecting to fake or not trusted escrow services/platforms. We have enough trusted people who can act as escrow for our forum, and by posting ad/sale/exchange in our forum, people should be using our forum escrows. That will help the forum, members, escrows and everyone around who is willing to do secure trade to receive and provide more trust to the people who provide us security. Not in last place financial it will motivate the trusted escrows to be more active and provide fastest and better services. Part two. In last place lets talk a little bit about the forgotten sections and especially one of it. And im talking about the altcoin marketplace ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=161.0 ) This section is more than forgotten from moderated activity and 99% of the post there belong to different section. Most of users there spam the altcoin marketplace with spam and the section itself becoming useless with every single day. Yes i know Moderators are people just us and they work and need time to handle thousands of requests/spams but we need someone motivated with free time who can handle the problems. *More sections full with spam and off-topic will be added to this topic in future. Any other suggestions about the escrows and the forgotten sections are always welcome to make our place a better place. |
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I want to buy btc with money gram!
Or f2f in Hungary.
I will always snap receipt! Please scammers stay away!
I use escrow!
PM or POST TELEGRAM/DISCORD
If money gram then it can be considered as risky base on pin post. If you want to make trade on Hungary by Face to Face then you should post it on the exact location for Hungary. Since when moneygram is risky ? When you collect your cash from moneygram it cannot be chargedback same as western union. The only risky thing here which in most cases you can't avoid is that the person should provide few personal infos in order to send/receive money. There is nothing risky using moneygram. Actually MoneyGram and WU is risky. You can be banned from them if the other person uses fraudulent payment method. Actually you can be "banned" in any payment system if the other person uses fraudulent payment methods. Lets not use money, lets exchange crypto for potatos... You can never know how someone paying you... Fraudulent or not you never know. Also if you use escrow, and if there is any problems with collecting your money with that kind of fraud payment, you won't be able to pick up your money, and the escrow won't release the crypto to the buyer. But if you collect your money where is the risk ? |
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