....and the fact that they just HAVE TO come into this thread and peddle their never ending attacks on Dash and the Dash community speaks absolute volumes on what sort of people they are and what a terrible threat Dash is to their little worlds.

Iceshitter, DashBasher and Adumwide you're pathetic cheap buffoons that don't possess an original thought between you. You're as lame as a teenage kid in a ridiculous looking hotted up car with silly go-fast bits on it doing burn-outs in a shopping centre carpark thinking he's "just so cool" yet to everyone else looking like a complete tool. Go and do something useful for goodness' sake.

Thanks so much for starting this thread igot_user_03773356 and I'm so sorry to hear of this disastrous delay in getting your funds out of iGot. I was a customer of theirs up until about 6 months ago when yet another ridiculously stupid mishandling of something just pushed me over the edge and I couldn't stand dealing with them any more. I (thank goodness) never had the massive delays you and others on here are now experiencing but their processes and explanations for why something didn't work or why my funds didn't arrive as expected (or a dozen other very silly things I kept experiencing) just started to drive me quite mad and I wondered how many other people must have been experiencing the same sort of stupidity.

So, having not logged on for a while. I thought I'd log back in to see if anything material had changed and whether I might use them to convert some BTC to fiat. Logged on last night and saw these warning banners:



Oh dear....

Did some quick Googling and found this thread. Thank goodness you've posted here, not that I would have even dreamed of sending BTC to an exchange advising they should have their fiat withdrawals caught up in about 2 weeks' time!

I would say they're collapsing. The fact they've had so much trouble with their banks and have had to change accounts tells me the banks they use are dissatisfied with how they've been running their accounts and are seeing risky/poor handling that's beyond what the bank will tolerate. I don't believe a bank would just suddenly pull their accounts on them without a serious reason for the bank to be concerned. I mean if they're a successful business and they're operating correctly with the bank making the usual fees off their account, why would the bank suddenly close their accounts and suggest "it's because of Bitcoin"? Something far more troubling is going on and, based on my experience, I can just imagine all sorts of mistakes and bumbling actions have occurred that's caused their banks to disconnect. There's a whole lot more to this story we're not being told.

All-in-all it's not looking good. I truly hope you do get your $16K returned. To anyone else thinking things are likely to improve and it will all be okay again, I'd suggest use your common sense and consider just how completely unacceptable it is for a customer that's been given personal guarantees by Rick Day to be left hanging for 75+ days. It's a no brainer: use a different exchange.

Okay thanks. 7% is definitely more realistic. 20% was too high.

Okay can you provide some figures on the update?

The OP is still saying "PoS annual interest: 20%". What has it been changed to? And the lucky stakes I thought were moved up from 2% chance of winning in the original first coin swap after BitcoinT to 5% chance in the secondary coin swap around 15/June. So what percentage has it now been changed to?

That's a great reply you made on that forum Tante. Thanks for taking the time and for reposting here. I think the one area that we here in the Dash community just take for granted is the anonymity and privacy Dash offers. For us that have been around for a long time, we all know the story and know what it means/what's important about it, but for anyone new to the scene, this is still the fundamental differentiator of Dash.

The first guy (Joseph Wang) that posted in that thread wrote a very good overview of how tiresome it is to have our spending constantly monitored:


Regular citizens have yet to comprehend what's happening to them courtesy of Facebook, Google, Apple and the rest of the big corporations that now own phenomenal amounts of data on us for their commercial advantage. I spend a little bit of time on Facebook (mostly running some pages for some not-for-profit groups) and it's patently clear that most people have zero knowledge that their spending habits, their desires to purchase/acquire goods and services and the capacity to make those purchases represents a resource and value within an economy that's inherently theirs (i.e. you own that information about you and it's yours to leverage from) so they blindly leave multiple open doors for these commercial entities to make money from. And, if you start having a lot of money, using these services you also leave open doors for thieves and villains to come and take from you (and I'm not talking about the hooded variety....there are thousands of 'legitimate' thieves in governments and banks all over the world just waiting to arrest your wealth).

So anonymity and privacy is completely misunderstood and currently if you demand your privacy you are characterised as being bad in some way and likely up to no good as the poster above has articulated. The fundamental offering I see of Dash is a) this ability to maintain anonymity and privacy, aspects that regular people will start to become aware of more and more over the next decade and b) the inherent fungability of the currency which people will also become more aware of as also being critical as Bitcoin becomes subject to more and more blockchain analysis and potentially evolves a disastrous 'white' and 'black' categorisation of bitcoins with different pricing structures (I actually think if it gets to that it will implode).

InstantX adds a level of speed and velocity (other key aspects of money as our expert Tok constantly reminds us of) to Dash that makes it even more powerful as a form of currency.

And the new 'Self-sustainable Decentralized Governance by Blockchain' system is an innovation that addresses the problem of ongoing development being almost impossible to sustain, as can be seen in Bitcoin's case.

I think these three things...

Privacy/anonymity and consequent maintenance of fungability (via Darksend)
Rapid transactions (via InstantX)
Self funding (via Decentralized Governance by Blockchain)

...are the major innovations (and that this has been achieved without making the blockchain invisible is key too).

Still to be detailed and clarified is how Evan will address scaling to facilitate large per-second transaction volume; I'm sure that will be ground-breaking as well.

Good post Tok. Anyone that's been responsible for user interfaces (and the 'updating' of them) over so many years will have a particular set of experiences at just how risky it is introducing new features and functions in the belief it will be beneficial, but can often result in an adverse response from users. The Windows 8.1 'Metro' interface is probably a good example, with it's removal of the Windows Start button and the introduction of the wretched Charms bar and other finger swiping mechanisms that make no sense on a regular PC, it was universally hated (yet one can see what Microsoft was attempting to do from a mobile computing angle).

I agree with what you're saying about needing to carefully think whether we're aligning ourselves with the Bitcoin QT wallet and the ethos surrounding its development, use and the now extensive knowledge of what that concept represents or whether we're looking to differentiate ourselves completely onto an all new break-away concept for crypto 'money' that presents something quite different.

This goes right back to re-establishing clearly in mind what the design goals of Dash are, who the target market users are (and since we moved to the name Dash I'm not certain we're all that clear about that) and what human challenge, or need for improvement, Dash addresses.

I remember many years ago in the mid nineties when I worked for a Seattle based software company that had a very successful terminal emulation product, the company founder who also headed up the design team steered the product into all new channels to take advantage of the new 32 bit Windows environment that had just come onto the scene with Win95. He had this higher overarching view on creating more sophisticated ways of interrogating a mainframe's database and built-in to the product this quite advanced query tool that allowed a user to extract information with customised views and ability to build automated queries that could easily populate spreadsheets and other applications. At the time it was very whiz bang and we took it to our customers who were very excited, until....

About 6 weeks after this new version was released and all these customers had upgraded, we started fielding dozens of calls and emails per day from existing users saying "where's the file transfer facility?" The previous version had this very simple file transfer interface not dissimilar to PuTTY - PC on the left hand side, host system on the right with a button in the middle that had an arrow you could toggle left or right depending on whether you wanted to download a file from the host system or send it up. It worked like a charm but had no ability to customise a query and alter what information populated which fields. But that query customisation was a capability that our design team thought was where the product needed to go and they put an enormous amount of effort into its design. But existing users had little interest in it because for all but maybe 2% it was entirely outside the paradigm of how they interacted with their mainframe systems. What the development team failed to do though was, not only provide an orderly or understandable migration pathway/road-map, but completely misunderstand how their product was being used out in the field. Pretty soon customers were screaming at us as many of them had other software packages that used an API into our product to kick-off the file transfer as a minor component in a much larger process. It was a nightmare and I'll never forget it as a case of developers having a "purest ideology" mindset with no comprehension of what was important to the current user-base and the need for gradual change and expectation management. In the end they had to rush out an add-on 32 bit module of this classic file transfer facility but it took a month or two and we lost some customers in the process as they simply couldn't use the upgraded product and couldn't go back the old either.

Sooo....before making changes to our wallet, it's incredibly important to establish (or re-iterate because I know a fair bit of this is already well honed):

What are the design goals of Dash?
Who and what sort of person makes up the target market?
Does alignment to the Bitcoin 'standard' (if it can be described that way) meet the requirements of those first two points?
Or does the user interface need to be quite different?

A simple change like an additional passcode over and above the encrypted wallet passcode that we (in this community who've been around for a while) think is perfectly rational could end up being a "what the hell...!?" moment for users because we haven't considered it properly.

You just made me think UdjinM6 that life is a never ending interaction with "3rd parties"!

From the time we're born we're dealing with 3rd parties.

The love, nurturing and attention we need as a baby comes (hopefully) via our parents (3rd party).
The education we need to master living in the world comes via our teachers (another 3rd party).
The money we start earning as we get our first paper run job (probably entry level coding work for kids these days, ha!) comes from our country's government (definitely 3rd party!)
The ways in which we get access to our money, if it's not in cash form, from the government is via banks (as 3rd party as they come eh!)
The many many thousands of goods and services we can buy with our money comes from many thousands of providers (lots of 3rd parties).
The supposed spiritual guidance of our relationship to a higher power is for many people facilitated by priests and ministers (yep...they're very 3rdish aren't they!)
Then when we're at the end of our lives and depart this 'mortal coil' supposedly our soul carries on up to heaven (so was our body a 3rd party too?)

I envisage a time when humans will wake up, realise the physical world we appear to be part of (and the matter we appear to be made of) is but one version of many possible ways the universe can be interpreted; it's no more real, permanent or fixed than the belief-support we lend to it. Then all these 3rd parties that seem to be part and parcel of existence will not be necessary as we realise our oneness with the source.

(there's my Dash thread deep & meaningful for today).

That is brilliant!

I've been saying for a long time that the entire paradigm of 'wallets' (qt or online ones like Electrum) are all so very technical and entirely outside the realm of Mr or Mrs regular citizen's ability understand or use safely. The many experiences we have of managing our wallet.dat files when we're updating our wallet versions is just way too technical for any sort of mainstream adoption. In fact the entire QT wallet concept with connections, the block-chain needing to be downloaded/continually updated and all the attendant possibilities for a user to have a "pfft and they're gone" coin loss experience pretty much eliminates crypto as it currently stands from any sort of mainstream adoption.

There needs to be entirely new ideas and ways of deploying this stuff. Pre-loaded cards that allow a user to spend their crypto at retail outlets is clearly a direction one can imagine all this heading. And the fact they can then pull the bitcoin/dash/whatever down off the card into a normal wallet (if they're knowledgeable enough) provides a bridge between the regular world of users who know about pre-paid cards and this world us crypto nerds occupy.

Many opportunities in this space that's for sure.

Love it! Who of us that know something about anything haven't gone to an MLM meeting or two! You forgot to mention the bit about how at some point during the session the presenter speaks glowingly to the audience how "you're such a great audience and so intelligent..." and "I don't think I've yet had such a motivated audience; you guys clearly have an edge..." blah blah (add further "you're special" ingredients here to work the room up into a "yes" frenzy) blah blah. When I was in my late teens I got involved in a "business opportunity" week long training on how to sell time-share (back in the eighties when it had first started). I remember one particularly dubious character taught us all to (in his words) "work that f^*~ing hinge" meaning to keeping nodding continuously in front of your prospective buyers as the non-stop nodding will be infectious and they will nod their way to signing up. I remember at the time feeling intensely uncomfortable and fake-as (and I think around day 3 of the "training" I bailed before my soul was totally sold out).

Here's a supposed translation of that video from another thread where the poster claims to be a native Mandarin speaker:


There's absolutely no mention of Dash and, even without the translation, I think you'd hear the guy actually say "Dash" as my experience of doing business in HK & Taiwan is that at presentations in their native language, product names will often be heard in amongst a continual stream of (to me and most westerners) indecipherable sound. I've noticed this at meetings where a Microsoft rep will be presenting and you'll hear the MS product names being mentioned in perfect sounding English.

I really think that little pump we saw for Dash was purely based on the speculation doing the rounds that "Dash is next". I don't think these Chinese running this pyramid scheme are onto Dash and (hopefully) won't touch it as it's clearly hugely damaging. No one will trust another Litecoin run-up now.

Fish live in the sea 

I don't know what everyone else has done or has experienced but I just locked my wallet to suspend staking and after the full balance was out of staking, backed up my wallet.dat and then ran the new 2.1.2.0 executable. Everything's continued on as before and, after unlocking it, it started staking immediately.

If you're just clicking on the link it's not going to work. You need to copy the entire line of text and paste it into your browser as the URL hyperlinked text is being truncated by the forum's software so that only the first part is hyperlinked.

Edit: So no, there's no password for the download. It will start automatically if you paste the line of text into your browser as I've described.

Dear mprep,

So just when I thought you might be realising your overzealous besottedness with periodically ripping the guts out of the Bitcointalk members' postings in this thread, is a level of censorship and control freakery that's not only completely unacceptable, it equates to the worst of the worst examples from around the world of free speech being both squashed and stifled, it would appear I've had 22 of my posts deleted in the past 24 hours so I'm mistaken.

You (or if not you one of the other mods, but given the PM you and I communicated on recently, I'm guessing it is you) seem to have some need of exercising power over your stakeholders/customers and deciding what they will and will not talk about to a level I find incomprehensible and (frankly) completely appalling.

I have already expressed in no uncertain terms just how completely and utterly ironic it is that we're here discussing developments in decentralisation that are going to facilitate a revolution for regular citizens the world over to escape the shackles and constrictions of the fiat monetary systems and allow free speech, free expression and free markets to be FREE of manipulation/control, yet our discussion here is subject to THE VERY SAME command and control ethos (i.e. We the Bitcointalk mods will decide what you can and can't say, what aspects of the world financial system are related to Dash and what aren't and what posts have merit, what posts don't and what content is "approved" and what's not and we will delete everything and anything that we, using our personal interpretation of "on-topic", deem unworthy of in this Dash thread).

Now, perhaps you think this is perfectly valid and perfectly reasonable. I (and I suspect many others here) don't.

You are not exercising prudence and reason in the nature of the posts you're deleting; but you're definitely exercising your perceived power and ability to harm/annoy/frustrate. Goodness only knows for what ultimate result or reason. It's certainly not to add value and usefulness to this community because, in my view, you're doing the very opposite.

Why are you censoring this thread like this?

What possible benefit can there be in removing posts where we're discussing current world events that relate to the need for new financial tools such as Dash?

What is it exactly that's so wrong with posts discussing the Greek situation given the capital controls and other measures being imposed on the citizens there are the very things Dash is designed to circumvent?

Put it this way, we, your stakeholders, get much benefit from the interactions amongst us all and we're facilitating greater understanding of why key attributes and aspects of Dash are important WITHIN THE CONTEXT of the various financial problems occurring around the world as we speak (e.g. Greece, China, issues with other cryptos that can affect Dash, issues with exchanges and other systems that can affect Dash, etc). Why do you feel the need to intervene and remove these conversations?

What is your agenda and why are you acting this way? I'd really like to know and I'd really like you to reply to this post and tell us all (your customers/stakeholders/Bitcointalk community members here) just why you're doing this and how it's either benefiting us or helping Bitcointalk.

Can you please respond and engage rather than just deleting posts left & right and and thereby leaving this thread so incomplete? It is disheartening in the extreme to spend time writing posts that are deleted for no seemingly good reason and I think you owe everyone an explanation.

regards

RenegadeMan

I keep the BTC-e troll box scrolling in a window pushed right over to the left hand side of my screen. I don't have any coins on BTC-e so don't ever post there. I just enjoy watching the troll box characters doing their stuff. It truly is like watching the criminally insane partying. The BS, rhetoric and sheer bi-polar swings of views, beliefs, opinions and agendas is truly beyond the pale. Basically NOT A SINGLE PERSON ON THERE HAS ANY CLUE AT ALL AS TO WHAT WILL HAPPEN, they just like to talk like there's some point to each line of text they're typing but I think it's just the musings of fools, try-hards, bastards, bignoters and buffoons...

It's incredibly fishy and we could be seeing a pyramid scam to end all pyramid scams.

This from a poster in that "leaked video explained the recent pump of litecoin" thread:

We seem to have effected a change of heart. All those previous postings a few pages back about the censorship and the fact that our discussions about the situation in Greece and the EU are on-topic for this Dash thread have been left alone. Thank goodness (and thank you mod for the rethink if that's what's occurred).

The Chinese Communist Party's version of a "free market" is like an Alcoholics Anonymous group in Saudia Arabia that welcomes new members, encourages them to stand up and do the "Hi, I'm John and I'm an alcoholic..." thing and then promptly arrests them for having used alcohol. I.e. it's all good until it's all bad then we'll tell you how you're going to behave to get back to good again (but you might go broke in the meantime....velly sauwee). There's some fundamentals of market theory they're not comprehending.

Someone being bearish on BTC-e has just typed:


and indeed it brings an interesting point. I expect LTC's going to pump a fair bit more given the perfect storm of what's happening in China, the long confirmation delays currently with BTC and the push that (potentially, if it's true) this marketing company is doing.

But....(and it's going to be a big butt when it all comes crashing down) it's likely the pump will transfer to other cryptos and, like our BTC-e friend has asked, which ones will it be? I reckon Dash will be a prime jump-to crypto coming off the back of this and it could go off at any moment too.