Update - If they can fit the data-stream in a 7.5kbps channel. Then instead of only broadcasting in UHF line of site. They could broadcast on SW/LW/MW over digital AM to much larger regions from a single transmitter using Digital Radio Mondiale technology.
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What about the 158 GH of network hashrate !!!! Is it clear whether or not is there an attack going on. Is there any credible info ?
just to clearify, there appears to be a larger multipool which periodically mining our coin. I roughly estimate the hashrate of this multipool is 5-6gigahashes per seconds approximately 60% of our total average hashrate. combined with a fluctuation in miner interest and a shitty difficulty targeting algo (kgw), there will be some sporadic periods of block finding delays until we switch to AuxPoW. Just to get an idea of the size of this mining pool, a Zues ASIC Miner is 300Mh/s and the Viper Litecoin ASIC Miner is 50 Mh/s so this mining pool is equlivant to about 20-100 ASICs, 158Gh/s is equivalent to the total LiteCoin hashrate, which would bring our difficulty orders of magnitudes higher than it is now. Nobody would spend that kind of hashrate on us with malicious intent when they could fork us without wasting hundreds of millions. Yes, when the value of a coin doubles in a week, you can expect quite a bit of mining interest. If there were an attack, we'd all know it, without a doubt by now, I think. The increased mining interest would possibly indicate that our beloved troll's efforts have failed.... miserably. Well the homepage and wiki have both been down for over twentyfour hours now. |
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last time it happened there was there was talk of a more adaptable difficulty calc, but nothing's actually broken, everything's working as it should:
- the intense hash rate increases the difficulty
- when it's taken away the difficulty is still high so blocks take a lot of time until the difficulty subsides
Well yeah, though last time it wasn't so much GHs added ... the patch day is still far away  What is this "patch" and how far is it? Sorry, I don't know anything about it. The different mining algos  it's about ... 1 month away I guess. Is it about AUXPOW ? Yes they are planning on either a three or five chain auxPoW myriad. |
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The quickest solution to stopping any Anoncoin network attacks would be to copy Dogecoin's hardfork to auxPoW with Litecoin. While we've all seen how well Doge has done since that move. Another hardfork to the three or five chain auxPoW myriad could be brought in a later date. I'd personally vote on a three chain myriad of Scrypt plus Primes or Cryptonight and NeoScrypt. Although a five chain myriad could be implemented by including both Primes and Cryptonight plus Lyra2 as well as Scrypt plus NeoScrypt.
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The updated RSA UFO page on the Anoncoin wiki. Helps to explain how Anoncoin is going to be first cryptocoin to successfully implement a trustless implementation of the Zerocoin protocol. |
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Fifty pages wrote in this thread within the last seven weeks. Let's see how many pages are written in the seven weeks following Zerocoin on the test-net due around October the 15th. Or written within the seven weeks once Zerocoin is on the main-net due roughly around the beginning of November.
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As I promised two weeks ago, here is an estimate for completion of Zerocoin-in-Anoncoin that I feel has a very high chance of being met (a "hard deadline"). By October 15, I'll have Zerocoin integration in "alpha" state, and on a testnet for anybody to try.By November 1, I'll have Zerocoin in mainnet, which means you can use the ANC you have now to mint and spend zerocoins. It will still be in "beta", meaning you should pay attention to our website, IRC, and our bitcointalk.org thread for security updates to the wallet and anoncoind; this is especially important if you are a miner or running a relay node. I realized that I have made deadlines in the past that were not met. I put a lot of thought into the above deadlines and I know that they can be met. Just as a reminder, I'm working full-time on Zerocoin until at least October 1, and possibly after depending on funding. Other upcoming dates:September 15: the RSA UFO project ends, participants are rewarded, and the server source is released to our Github. September 17: the first Zerocoin commits get pushed to our Github (Anoncoin/anoncoin, "zc" branch). As I said before, the public Github will lag 2 weeks behind active development in our private repository; this is to make things more difficult for copycat coins. Previous updates:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227287.msg8750399#msg8750399https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227287.msg8599297#msg8599297It's now September the 24th in over half of the world. So it's now three weeks exactly until October the 15th. |
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Anoncoin's Zerocoin protocol is by far the most difficulty anonymous transaction technique to implement. It's not a matter of using 'big' words to try and confuse people. It's very complex and that's why no one else has managed to date to implement Zerocoin. Although if implemented successfully it will offer by far the most anonymous transaction technique.
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The source code and the data from the RSA UFO factorisation can be verified that they were correctly implemented in a trustless manner. Once it's all been made opensource in the next few weeks. So any arguments claiming it to be a scam are moot until then.
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I proposed a "retroactive pre-mine" in the form of a Bootstrap Block containing 1% of all XMR, which is 184,000 coins.
The 184k XMR/$300k it provides seems sufficient to fund the following to at least alpha testing:
$100k - refactor codebase
$50k - security audits
$50k - integrate DB
$25k - complete I2P
$25k - Official Wallet
$15k - bug bounties
$15k - p2pool
$15k - trustless web wallet
$5k - network defense fund
Are these numbers too high, low, or just about right? [/size]
Icebreaker is one of the biggest trolls on this forum you dufus. |
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Rather than people just saying "troll!" I'd like someone (preferably a developer or someone with experience) to actually respond to the accusations that RSA UFO's aren't secure. I don't know enough about cryptography but are RSA's points valid? Also, if it took 8 core years to come up with the RSA UFO's couldn't another group do the same thing? If they did the same thing couldn't they factor N to get the prime numbers? That's what I don't understand.
Has the whitepaper been peer reviewed yet?
Oh look another brand new account? Read the Anoncoin wiki on the matter - https://wiki.anoncoin.net/RSA_UFO#Zerocoin_accumulators - If you don't understand that then that's not my fault and I don't have to try and expalin it all to you nor do you don't have to trust Anoncoin. The RSA UFO's are a way to initiate the accumulator - https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Cryptographic_accumulator - in a trustless matter. Anyone could have took part in the RSA UFO generation. About the peer review why don't you do it or do you not feel qualified. I'm pretty sure ANC's ZC will get stress tested to the max once it's been released. There'll be some pretty major hacker bragging rights to anyone who can break it. Like the guy behind this site - http://www.coinjoinsudoku.com - who aims to have an app to break Blockchain.info shared-coin mixer soon. And then probably using the same or very similar technique to break the Darkcoin mixer. That linked site author said he aims to have a review up soon on all anonymous transaction techniques. Just like the old saying 'If it can be made it can be copied' also 'If it can be broke then someone will break it'. This actually isn't a brand new account I made it back in june. And if you look on reddit I use the same username to ask a lot of questions about a lot of different cryptocurrencies. No of course I don't feel qualified to do a peer review that is why I am asking if it has been peer reviewed. The community is here is terrible. I'm legitimately and fairly wondering if someone also had 8 core years of time if they could find the factorization (seeing as it took us 8 core years of time to get N). People here should be answering as best as possible people's concerns rather than just ignoring them. It will help more people feel comfortable and realize they want to buy in. All the information is in the wiki if you don't understand it either don't trust it or do your own research. If you don't know the answers to my questions that is fine but there is no reason to cultivate such a harsh community here. If people have questions about the security of zerocoin then those concerns are valid. And it would benefit the community as a whole if people did there best to answer those questions rather than just dismissing them. Just don't respond to my posts and hopefully one of the developers will. Also asking for Gnosis' experience is not ridiculous. If we treated ANC like a publicly held company then people should be explaining to the "share-holders" how the technology works and they should be answering any concerns those people bring up. Asking for someone's work experience who is in charge of implementing a major change should not be considered trolling. Telling investors to just do their own research and dismissing all of their concerns would just drive investors away. I don't expect you to have the answers I'm posting concerns in the forum so hopefully someone who knows what they are talking about will respond and explain why my concerns are not a problem. That's what I want to hear because I want zerocoin to work. But you responding to everyone's concerns and telling them to go away helps no one. I've actually been trying to address your concerns and have been linking you to more in depth information. Even though I'm sure you have access to Google. No one is forced to buy, use or invest in Anoncoin. If you don't feel happy doing so then don't, but please don't ask volunteers to help you make money. By offering you free investment advice. It's starting to sound like you to have an agenda like all the other recent newbie accounts recently posting in this thread. King Canute and the waves the lot of them, but they're all obviously well funded for their endeavours. |
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Rather than people just saying "troll!" I'd like someone (preferably a developer or someone with experience) to actually respond to the accusations that RSA UFO's aren't secure. I don't know enough about cryptography but are RSA's points valid? Also, if it took 8 core years to come up with the RSA UFO's couldn't another group do the same thing? If they did the same thing couldn't they factor N to get the prime numbers? That's what I don't understand.
Has the whitepaper been peer reviewed yet?
Oh look another brand new account? Read the Anoncoin wiki on the matter - https://wiki.anoncoin.net/RSA_UFO#Zerocoin_accumulators - If you don't understand that then that's not my fault and I don't have to try and expalin it all to you nor do you don't have to trust Anoncoin. The RSA UFO's are a way to initiate the accumulator - https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Cryptographic_accumulator - in a trustless matter. Anyone could have took part in the RSA UFO generation. About the peer review why don't you do it or do you not feel qualified. I'm pretty sure ANC's ZC will get stress tested to the max once it's been released. There'll be some pretty major hacker bragging rights to anyone who can break it. Like the guy behind this site - http://www.coinjoinsudoku.com - who aims to have an app to break Blockchain.info shared-coin mixer soon. And then probably using the same or very similar technique to break the Darkcoin mixer. That linked site author said he aims to have a review up soon on all anonymous transaction techniques. Just like the old saying 'If it can be made it can be copied' also 'If it can be broke then someone will break it'. This actually isn't a brand new account I made it back in june. And if you look on reddit I use the same username to ask a lot of questions about a lot of different cryptocurrencies. No of course I don't feel qualified to do a peer review that is why I am asking if it has been peer reviewed. The community is here is terrible. I'm legitimately and fairly wondering if someone also had 8 core years of time if they could find the factorization (seeing as it took us 8 core years of time to get N). People here should be answering as best as possible people's concerns rather than just ignoring them. It will help more people feel comfortable and realize they want to buy in. All the information is in the wiki if you don't understand it either don't trust it or do your own research. |
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Rather than people just saying "troll!" I'd like someone (preferably a developer or someone with experience) to actually respond to the accusations that RSA UFO's aren't secure. I don't know enough about cryptography but are RSA's points valid? Also, if it took 8 core years to come up with the RSA UFO's couldn't another group do the same thing? If they did the same thing couldn't they factor N to get the prime numbers? That's what I don't understand.
Has the whitepaper been peer reviewed yet?
Oh look another brand new account? Read the Anoncoin wiki on the matter - https://wiki.anoncoin.net/RSA_UFO#Zerocoin_accumulators - If you don't understand that then that's not my fault and I don't have to try and expalin it all to you nor do you don't have to trust Anoncoin. The RSA UFO's are a way to initiate the accumulator - https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Cryptographic_accumulator - in a trustless matter. Anyone could have took part in the RSA UFO generation. About the peer review why don't you do it or do you not feel qualified. I'm pretty sure ANC's ZC will get stress tested to the max once it's been released. There'll be some pretty major hacker bragging rights to anyone who can break it. Like the guy behind this site - http://www.coinjoinsudoku.com - who aims to have an app to break Blockchain.info shared-coin mixer soon. And then probably using the same or very similar technique to break the Darkcoin mixer. That linked site author said he aims to have a review up soon on all anonymous transaction techniques. Just like the old saying 'If it can be made it can be copied' also 'If it can be broke then someone will break it'. |
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I'm just trying to understand what motivates you (and others) who spend so much effort posting and reposing to this and other threads. If you have no faith in this coin why even bother following the developments and reading the the thread? Why not move on to something you think will succeed? I just don't get it. I can think of a dozen coins I think are complete shit, but you couldn't pay me to spend my time posting in their threads arguing with the various bagholders. What motivates you to spend your time in this thread?
I wouldn't worry about it too much. I think it is the same group of shills that have been attacking Monero. My guess is that it is an organized effort from another Cryptonote coin, Darkcoin, or Bitcoindark to discredit other anonymous cryptocurrencies. Yep, rsa_ufo_attack more or less made it plain where he's coming from. Yeah they're all brand new accounts created very recently to attack Anoncoin now that they see it as a threat to their own wishful anonymous wanna-be coin(s). I repeat don't feed the trolls you only give their claims credence by responding to them. They're not early adopters or big Anoncoin bag holders as they claim to be and it's obvious that the FUD they're spreading are not level headed technical questions about the protocol. They're afraid and are not coming to this thread out of the goodness of their hearts or real interest in the tech. Like the RSA_UFO_Attack guy he didn't even know what a RSA UFO was when he first came to the thread. The more he learns about the tech the more his attacks change. So it's very obvious that they came to this thread with an agenda. I repeat again do not feed the trolls they are only here to spread FUD and you cannot reason or enlighten them period. You only help to legitimise their FUD claims by responding to them. Let the tech speaks for itself. All the source code is being fully released and you can be sure their will be many in depth peer reviews once ZC is on the main-net and all the source is open. Wait for the in depth technical reviews on the source before putting your privacy on the line. I am not a big bag holder of ANC I wish I was but I can't afford to be. I do hold some though and am mainly here out of interest in the tech. The Zerocoin protocol is the only true anonymous transaction technique. The only other protocol that even comes close is the ring-signature technique of Cryptonote coins like Monero. Every other technique is to the best of my knowledge not truly anonymous and those coins will always be playing whack-a-mole with privacy exploites. Once they become big enough to be targeted. |
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I've read that the coin aims to move to a i2p networked only coin eventually. How would this affect the liklyhood of the problems from Sybil attacks - https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses#Sybil_attack - Should the coin follow Peercoin in adopting a very low inflation model. To help fight the sybil attack dilemma by rewarding full nodes through staking. Also is there any new news of the new auxPoW myriad fork implmentation. Such as confirmed chains and timetable for implementation. Plus I've posted a thread on this new exhanges forum - http://community.coldcryptos.com/threads/please-add-anoncoin.354 - by the guys behind The Multi Coin Tipping App - https://www.whitepuma.net/multitipping - about adding Anoncoin to their exchange. If anyone wants to follow or add to the thread. |
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[trolling removed]
Ah, another one for the ignore list. Just a friendly reminder: if they are a new user and all of their previous posts were used to create fear, uncertainty, and doubt, then they're a troll; it's a waste of time to reply to them (this one, rsa_ufo_attack, btcseller*, etc.). It uses up energy that could be used for doing truly awesome things.  @Gnosis- , Dont listen to these trolls. We know how hard you have been working on the zerocoin integration. People do not understand the level of engineering we have used to create even the RSA-UFO. You have spent a lot of time on it and researched through a lot of stuff to reach this point and we know it. You are awesome and i really feel privileged to be part of the awesome journey that we are having. Imagine , we can tell our grandchildren about what we are doing! It would be awesome! I was just about to post the following - Stop feeding the trolls guys and don't believe their stories about being early adopters or big ANC bag holders. They're here to FUD to try and protect their wishful wannabe anonymous coin. Zerocoin and ring-signatures to a lesser extent are the only current available anonymous transaction techniques that work. All the code is to be 100% fully opensource so yes their will be extensive peer reviews. What for those peer reviews to grade the anoncoin developers. Not the newbie shill FUD'er accounts popping up all of a sudden now that they see Anoncoin as a major threat to their own projects that they've heavily invested their time and monies in. |
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Gnosis, can you explain what's the purpose of the UFO project? .. Why ur screen name contain rsa ufo if you don't know what it is. It is a way to implement Zerocoin in a trustless manner. To try and help save his precious time I'll post the following link - http://lmgtfy.com/?q=RSA+UFO+Anoncoin |
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Some things to think about
Many other individuals, and groups are working on anonymous coins. It is very safe to say that many of those people are more experienced with altcoins and cryptography than gnosis.
Also what happened to the idea of copyleft and similar supposed values? Anc basically has an undelivered algo, by an unknown developer, which will be ready at an unknown date, and people are pretending it is some prize that must be protected? How is it safe to say that at all??? Also all that the community is asking for is that the ANC Zerocoin github is started to be made public in eight weeks time instead of two. A brand new account posted the above quote too??? I think the followers of this thread should get used to the idea of lots of shill accounts also popping up in the thread to attack the coin. Most likely long term fanboys and bagholders of other coins trying to release an anonymous coin. A trustless implementation of the Zerocoin protocol has long been considered the holy grail of transaction anonymity. The only other protocol that even comes close is the ring-signature technique of cryptonote coins like Monero. The CoinJoin technique that most of these wanna-be 'anoncoins' are implementing is not really anonymous and only obfuscates transactions from simple analysis. |
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