Great Job!  But, if I were you, I'd save the BTC. |
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Nah, all HYIPs end up turning scam anyways.
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Nice! This should help fight against phishing attempts. Keepup the good work!
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Hello, I'd like to join in. Can you send pm?
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Great job, where are you betting at?
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I have 1000 mrai to sell for 450 sat each. If you want to buy them, you can contact me.
He's selling Mri dude, not buying. |
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Nah, it's find the way it is since there aren't that many users offering sig campaigns and captcha services anyways.
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Join a signature campaign at least, you can make that .005 in no time just from begging people in the lending section  He probably can't considering he has negative trust. |
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Nah you aren't in danger, the person is probably lying. There's no way the person wouldn't withdraw the BTC in the "hacked' wallets instead of selling the passwords. Also, don't use the same password for every site you go on.
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Dude, if you can multiply it by 1k, aren't you off doing it yourself instead of other people's funds?
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SAVE YOUR COINS FROM THIS PONZI SCHEME
Ignore this, nothing to invest. |
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Can the owner change the contract? If so, what's stopping them from changing it?
Without in any way setting myself up as an expert on Etherium or smart contracts, the answer is basically no. http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/41597/ethereum-contractThere's also the nature of ponzis to think about, which is theft from new investors to pay old ones. Yes, you keep repeating that. I agree that it is confusing and unfortunate to try and float a legitimate game by using a label associated with fraud. At the moment, most fair crypto gambling is just traditional fiat games like dice, poker adapted for the purpose. Maybe, just maybe, by this smart contract approach a crypto specific game which is transparent and "fair" within its own context will be developed. For a supposedly innovative environment people seem very resistant to and conservative about change. And no, I don't support Ponzi Schemes, I spend a good deal of time calling them out. Here's the thing, even if there's a contract set up, the owner's admitted that they are operating a ponzi, meaning that they admit to stealing funds, there is absolutely no escape from that. Stealing funds from new investors to pay old ones with part of said funds is the "trademark" of a ponzi. |
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This still going?
username: ravens
Thank You
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What should i do know?
1. Move this thread to Reputation section. It's not a scam accusation. 2. Send him PM again & wait 24-48 hours more. 3. If he still does not replies then show all the proofs that you & request DT members to tag him red & then move on. Ok thanks. I'll hope he see this thread and answer my messages. Who are DT members? DT means Default Trust. There are a lot of them who keeps lurking in these sections just to use their powers  Ok thanks. I will wait till tomorrow or sunday and i'll PM them if he doesn't answer me or reply to this thread. Appreciate your help!   Do you have any proofs? Or are you just trolling? |
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Can the owner change the contract? If so, what's stopping them from changing it? There's also the nature of ponzis to think about, which is theft from new investors to pay old ones.
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....As people in this thread have pointed out, for it to be a scam there has to be deception involved. Otherwise it's just a game where you take a chance willingly.
Seriously? A ponzi takes the funds from new investors and gives part of them to the old ones, that's called stealing, which is also a crime. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define%3A+ponzi#If you want to quote definitions, how about giving the full one, instead of cherrypicking to suit your POV? A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator, an individual or organization, pays returns to its investors from new capital paid to the operators by new investors, rather than from profit earned through legitimate sources. Note the use of the word fraudulent. fraudulent
obtained, done by, or involving deception, especially criminal deception. Deception is an integral part of the fraudulent behaviour involved in a Ponzi scheme. Typically for example, this can be claiming to cloud mine and paying back small amounts to early investors from their own or later investments, until the admin have collected sufficient to run away with, and close down the scam. A "last one in loses" game where there are willing participants, no deception involving lies about non existent business revenue and, because of smart contracts, no possibility of the admin having access to the funds and running away with them, is a completely different thing. Stealing is a crime, and that's what ponzis do(from new investors by definition), so therefore, no matter if it's transparent or not, ponzis are by definition a scam. |
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Thanks for the bad feedback, asshat. My ponzis are fully transparent and don't pretend to be anything they aren't. No deception involved. In fact, the users are warned and encouraged to evaluate the risk and review the source code before participating.
I've put a lot of effort into exposing actual scams by people who release deceiving/broken contracts or who claim that "everyone wins", who abuse sockpuppeting, etc, while the moderators don't give a fuck. And now I get labeled as someone who can't be trusted; this community sure is a joke.
As people in this thread have pointed out, for it to be a scam there has to be deception involved. Otherwise it's just a game where you take a chance willingly.
Seriously? A ponzi takes the funds from new investors and gives part of them to the old ones, that's called stealing, which is also a crime. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define%3A+ponzi# |
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I'm aware what a ponzi is. But you missing the point. Every single project in this sub, is a ponzi or pyramid. I see no problem with that. You KNOW that it is a ponzi. Everybody know it and decided to invest anyway. The projects advertise themself as ponzis / pyramids. What make this a scam?! You KNOW that you maybe don't get your money back when not enough people invest. That is the whole deal of this projects. The difference with ether is: The admin can not run away with the coins. Do you realy think a single one of this doublers / cloud miners or other "make money fast" projects is not a ponzi? cmon What makes this a scam?!: Well, the ponzi steals the funds from new investors to pay old ones. That's what makes this a scam. |
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But a ponzi/pyramid by defenition is a scam. It does not matter whether it's paying or not; the intent of a scam, or the side effects of a ponzi scheme classify it as a scam.
A scam plans from the start to rip you off. It plans from day 1 to run away with your money. That is not the case with ethereum contracts. at least not the legit ones. As long people deposit, a ether ponzi / pyramid can run unlimited. There is technical no way to scam. I see this more like a casino game. you can win and you can lose. but the casino is not going to take your money and kick you out. that's a large difference. but of course, if you don't understand the rules of the contract, don't invest. A ponzi by definition, uses funds from new investors to pay old ones, therefore stealing from the new investors. Link: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define%3A+ponzi#seen |
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