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181  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How Truly Random is Random on: December 07, 2019, 03:04:45 PM
It may worth adding that usually in computer science pseudo-random numbers are generated. Truly random (?) values are only to be found in nature. And pseudo-randomness may, strangely(?), be closer to what you expect in statistics.



In my computer programming class, we're task to random out numbers and sometimes, tutorials are saying that random numbers mostly comes from the current time you have in your computer's clock. In this case, the system is basing the random number which is not actually random at all. Applying it to the context of gambling, random chances could possibly have a basis of it being random and might not be random at all.

The rationale for gambling is different from the problematic of RNG in computer science, for gambling you still want something that will have poisson like distribution to have a "fair" game where the chances of winning are still known.

Chaotic mechanical processes in the end tend toward poisson distribution if the parameters stay constant, like dice or roulette or coin tossing, even at quantum level on long enough time you can find average with good statistcal match.

Turing machine are not good at creating randomness they are not made for this, on the contrary. They are perfect exemple of closed system with very low entropy.
182  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: December 07, 2019, 02:56:23 PM


Fertilized eggs are not beings, never mind human beings.

Ontologically speaking even a stone is a being  Cheesy

So now we play with words.

You know what I meant, a sentient being, not that it merely exists.

Words are important Smiley

Edelman and the likes show that its not that easy to know where sentience and consciousness really starts or ends.

At which point you consider a cell or a group of cell is sentient or not ?
183  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: December 07, 2019, 02:02:30 PM


Fertilized eggs are not beings, never mind human beings.

Ontologically speaking even a stone is a being  Cheesy
184  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How Truly Random is Random on: December 07, 2019, 11:01:46 AM
This thought has been nagging me since I first saw the pic below (taken from here):



The image on the left features a uniform distribution (which many erroneously come to think of as random), while the points on the right image are allegedly distributed randomly (read, it is a random distribution). But if we think about it, we may come to the idea that random is not truly random at a higher level. Really, if you hit some random outcome, you could in fact expect more of such outcomes in close vicinity of that first outcome as the image above clearly reveals. So how truly random is what universally considered random?

I'm starting the thread in the Gambling discussion section because this domain (i.e. gambling) is where the idea of randomness and whether random is truly random have most applications and implications. Yeah, you thought it right, for gambling and our success at it

Ever heard of poisson distribution ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_distribution

Its the law that govern certain category of random events.

If you flip a coin, the average distribution will tend toward 50/50, and the occurrence of ten time the same result will be lower than occurrence of 50/50 with a distribution law.

185  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What is happening to new projects? on: December 07, 2019, 10:04:24 AM
I think that now it’s just not a favorable time to enter the market, and this time does not spare anyone, together with scammers, good guys who have a really good idea fly away, some even have a product, but since this is a market too badly spoiled by manipulations and scammers, no one can succeed on it, except for those companies that raised their funds back in 2018 on a preliminary sale.

I agree with that, the kind of investor seen in the 2017-2018 round dont look like very serious investors, like long term partner who really believe in the project. It more seem in large part they were more gambler profiles, or people wanting To benefits from pump and dump, inside trading, and fraudulent scheme.

Not the kind of investor you are looking for To build long term parternship based on trust and long term perspective and use case, and how the technical solution will benefit in a sector or another, more like pseudo traders looking at charts and statistic pattern, regardless of a grounding in "real economy".

It doesnt look like an environment conductive to solid company with a real long term objective in the market outside of reading coffee ground on trading chart trying To figure where the next pump is going To be.
186  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: December 06, 2019, 10:28:54 AM
Why are you making an exception for a bunch of cells on a petri dish?  Because a fertilized egg has the potential of becoming a human being?

I don't care what the Bible says.  This is the vilest book I have ever read. You can safely dismiss EVERYTHING the Bible says.

A fertilized egg is not a human being.  If you think it is, show me?  Does it have a brain and liver?  How about the lungs?

There is no exception. A skin cell is not a unique human with the potential for independent life. With a little time and support the human embryo will not only unfold into all of the secondary characteristics you so value it will also eventually learn to stand on its own and support itself.

Clearly you should care about what the Bible says perhaps then you would not be so keen to sacrifice the most vulnerable human lives upon the alter of science.  

Even without going into the bible what i find worrying is how medical science is straying away from hypocrathes oath. I can understand practice can evolve and we dont have To stick To 2000 years old practice and ethics, but on the general principle of what the role of a physician is supposed to be about, which is protecting life, not doing any action that will harm life, and the only practice he is allowed to do is to cure a disease or ailment, which also exclude abortion from medical practice.

Now it seems its going all corporate, even with organ traffic, and all kind of things that make it look more like bio industry than the original principles in which pharmaceutics and physicians are supposed To be grounded.

https://youtu.be/dYtqtwfJviI :p
187  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: December 05, 2019, 08:14:26 PM
The fact that science exists, and that we, as individual beings, can examine science, is proof that God exists. Where would science come from if not from God. Where would the material of the universe come from if not from God? Where would the empty space that holds the stars, etc., come from if not from God?

Why God? Why not that the things that exist simply have somehow "jumped" into being by themselves? Because of the complexity. Standard scientific understanding says that complexity can only come from something more complex. Entropy shows that this is true. Things only decrease, because entropy permeates all things.

We have no evidence of anything simply jumping into existence... not a shred of evidence. The gigantic complexity of the universe shows that there had to have been a super-intelligence with super-abilities to have put it all together. That is what the definition of "God" is.

Cool

Yes ! I can never understand how scientist can be atheist. Those who are nihilists Who think everything is just chaos and dont care ok, but scientists Who believe that mathematics is the language of the universe, Who are seeking logical reasonning and rationalism to explain the universe, then saying it has no purpose or reason , i dont understand. Believing in science to describe the universe with logical reasonning is pretty much the same than saying there is a god.
188  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: December 05, 2019, 07:28:09 PM

Letting a fertilized egg die is not murder.

As for abortion, fetuses do not have rights, women do have rights.

I think abortions should be free and allowed to around 8-10 weeks.  There is nothing wrong with removing a little wart growing on the uterus wall.

When that wart becomes a viable child, I do have a problem with killing that child.  If it is between a woman's life and the baby, I would say a woman should be saved, not the baby.

What you guys are proposing is that fertilized human eggs should have a legal 'person' status.  That is just ridiculous.

A fertilized egg is just a bunch of cells on a petri dish.  Murder?  You guys are irrational.

Fertilizing an egg and making a human being by this fertilization is what we are talking about. Doing the fertilizing without preparing for life for the human so created is negligent homicide in common language, not legal language.

The woman gave up some of her rights when she placed herself in the position of being trustee for another human.

Removing a human life is different that removing a wart.

Determining when the embryo/fetus becomes a human life is judgmental. Nobody can make such a determination accurately. To do so means that the judgment could be at age 10, or at age 20, or at any other age. This is part of the reason we have wars. One group of humans says that another group of humans should be exterminated.

No! Humans should NOT have legal "person" status. See https://redress4dummies.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/office-of-person1.pdf.

A fertilized human egg is simply a stage in human life. Legal murder at this stage sets the stage to make it legal at any stage.

If you are so against human life, why are you not suiciding yourself? Just a question. Don't do it. Your troubles will only be beginning if you do. You will have to face God in the judgment for your own murder.

Cool

EDIT: Banning stem cell research is the only safe way we can keep from murdering people... at this stage of our knowledge. Why? Because we don't know much about the epigenetic markers that control stem cells for making a human being. Once we know about and can control the epigenetic markers, so that we don't accidentally make a human (that we kill later), then (maybe) we can go ahead with such research in a right way.

Do you even realize that you have more reasons to commit suicide than me? I have none.  I am an Atheist, remember?  I have more reasons to live than you.

Show some empathy to people who suffer, don't focus all your energy on fertilized eggs on a petri dish.  This research can enhance the lives of millions of people, forever!!!

What are you afraid of?  That one day we will be able to create human eggs, and sperm in the lab, and make humans at will.  And your religion will join the rest of mythologies we have learned in the history class, is this what you are afraid of?

What is your beef in this?  Why do you care if fertilized eggs die on their own and don't care when kids die in Ethiopia or Syria?

Whew! I was afraid, there, for a moment, that you might commit suicide, and we'd all be out of your humorous posts that we laugh at.

Killing people to enhance the lives of others is what war is all about. But you are too chicken to go fight in a real war, so you fight the embryos and fetuses. Big brave af-newbie.

What are you so afraid of? enhance your life in the millions of ways available that don't have to do with murdering human beings... especially humans in their most vulnerable period in life. (Big brave af-newbie.)

What's the matter? Attempting to pry into my inner thoughts and emotions just to blab? If you even made any sense, it would be amazing.

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Do you think fertilized eggs on a petri dish are people?  Oh, boy, you guys are special, aren't you?

PS. I would not go to any war, even if I was younger.  I am a pacifist. Let the other idiots fight wars.  Wars accomplish nothing, destroy our resources, kill bunch of people to redraw the borders on the map.  Nothing changes.

At what stage do you consider the human being to be a human? Do you have factual info that such age is really the right age? After all, the whole human genome of the human in question is present in that fertilized egg in the petri dish, the moment it is fertilized.

Are you saying that you would rather err on the side of killing a human rather than letting him/her live? Don't you realize that you are fomenting war against your own nation by being in favor of abortion freedom?

In the Bible, when they offered their children as sacrifices to their false gods, they at least had a reason. But now they murder their kids just for convenience, or so that they can increase their pleasure. I hadn't realize how warped you really are.

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I dont think we have a lot of information on this, its the problem Imo, we are far to really know that much about what make life Alive and when it should be ok to use it as a tool in some process.

When scientist can create a cell from scratch and create complex life form that can thrive survive reproduce and be happy then we talk, but we are still far from this.

For the moment we are far to understand all the possible consequence and stake of this.

I guess it often how science progress, first they make plenty of mistake with zero ethics and after a while some Real science can émerge from it.

But in the case they should better think twice and study everything enough to have better bases to fund a strong ethic uppon, for the moment they are still playing with fire, but i guess its how you get progress faster, and there is going to be a whole juicy business around this before we start to get a Real clue about that.
189  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: December 05, 2019, 10:12:14 AM
The nazi model infiltrated our society more than we can think, lot of nazi have been recruted in scientific position after ww2.

The only parallel I see between Nazi Germany and Western democracies is patriotism, fervent nationalism, "Make XXX Great Again", etc.
This does not bode well for humanity.

Most scientists are not nationalists, most support internationalism.

Name one scientist who is a nationalist.

Read "Mein Kampf" before you open your mouth on the "nazi model".  Whatever that means.

Hitler was a German nationalist, first and foremost.


Its much deeper than that, the nationalism is just a media to reel people in, mein kempf is propaganda , the Real ideology is Henry Ford, productivism and profits over human values. No sacrifice is too high to get an industrial one up over other nation etc

After ww2, the nazi went CIA, swarmed to south america, middle east, Afganistan etc to concoct civil wars and coup to promote "industrial développement" by exploiting ressources and people to build their Ford topia global.

Now its to the point most people think being scientist is building the next cellphone Who will make the next top company, originally science is studying things and building axiomatic reasoning.

A person who thinks scientists are building cell phones does not understand what scientists do.

And that is the crux of the problem.  Lack of education.

You are reading too much into Huxley's "Brave New World".  Although, I admit it is a good book.  It does make you think about the society we live in.

Its not from brave new world, even if this story is also about that. Mein kempf is propaganda, the persons who write propaganda know its a lie , a forgery and a fraud. If you read the propaganda and think its what the people who write it think, you dont understand how propaganda works. Even the nationalist leagues were funded by the big industrials, To reel the working class in, but its not the essence of the ideology.

Propaganda?  Did you read the book?  Read the book not what others say about this book.

Hitler would be a socialist, maybe even a communist. He hated what his father did for a living.  He was not a very bright anarchist, a very religious man, and foremost a nationalist; from the get-go.  Failed at anything he tried academically.  His parents died early on in his life, he was uprooted from his bourgeois social standing. It is an autobiography, written between 1923-1925, in the same genre as Trotsky's My Life.

BTW, if Hitler would only listen to his father, study in school and get a government job like the rest of his bourgeois friends, we would not have WWII and atrocities that came with it.

Read both books.

Nationalism, religious or social class supremacy is evil.  The worse form of tribalism there is.  Most wars start because of one of them.



I have read mein kempf, what i remind of it is mostly the style of writing, very sentimental, its there you see Hitler was very sentimental and an artist he was also a painter before, and mein kempf show him being sad with the state of the country and essentially playing violin, which is what is called a charismatic leader. From the tantric way its obvious he practice black tantra, instilling despair and focusing on the pain and bad feelings, with the result that we know. But its mostly emotional manipulation, in order To inspire a certain behavior and suggest certains solutions. But when manipulators write a pièce To manipulate people, you can say there is nothing genuine in it. Its manipulation, propaganda.

But mein kempf didnt influence high rank nazi all that much, compared To Henry Ford who was more the model for the new world, with the international jew, or evola, even theosophy in some part.

The superiority feeling i also rooted in wasp culture, that some people mostly White are genetically superior and the other are inferior races and it has very little To do with nationalism at core. Taking a swatika from the other side of the world as a flag show it has more in common with evola, aryanism, and certain theory about lost tradition with the hyper borean, than with meinkempf or nationalism.
190  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: December 04, 2019, 07:11:38 PM
The nazi model infiltrated our society more than we can think, lot of nazi have been recruted in scientific position after ww2.

The only parallel I see between Nazi Germany and Western democracies is patriotism, fervent nationalism, "Make XXX Great Again", etc.
This does not bode well for humanity.

Most scientists are not nationalists, most support internationalism.

Name one scientist who is a nationalist.

Read "Mein Kampf" before you open your mouth on the "nazi model".  Whatever that means.

Hitler was a German nationalist, first and foremost.


Its much deeper than that, the nationalism is just a media to reel people in, mein kempf is propaganda , the Real ideology is Henry Ford, productivism and profits over human values. No sacrifice is too high to get an industrial one up over other nation etc

After ww2, the nazi went CIA, swarmed to south america, middle east, Afganistan etc to concoct civil wars and coup to promote "industrial développement" by exploiting ressources and people to build their Ford topia global.

Now its to the point most people think being scientist is building the next cellphone Who will make the next top company, originally science is studying things and building axiomatic reasoning.

A person who thinks scientists are building cell phones does not understand what scientists do.

And that is the crux of the problem.  Lack of education.

You are reading too much into Huxley's "Brave New World".  Although, I admit it is a good book.  It does make you think about the society we live in.

Its not from brave new world, even if this story is also about that. Mein kempf is propaganda, the persons who write propaganda know its a lie , a forgery and a fraud. If you read the propaganda and think its what the people who write it think, you dont understand how propaganda works. Even the nationalist leagues were funded by the big industrials, To reel the working class in, but its not the essence of the ideology.

191  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: December 04, 2019, 04:07:39 PM
The nazi model infiltrated our society more than we can think, lot of nazi have been recruted in scientific position after ww2.

The only parallel I see between Nazi Germany and Western democracies is patriotism, fervent nationalism, "Make XXX Great Again", etc.
This does not bode well for humanity.

Most scientists are not nationalists, most support internationalism.

Name one scientist who is a nationalist.

Read "Mein Kampf" before you open your mouth on the "nazi model".  Whatever that means.

Hitler was a German nationalist, first and foremost.


Its much deeper than that, the nationalism is just a media to reel people in, mein kempf is propaganda , the Real ideology is Henry Ford, productivism and profits over human values. No sacrifice is too high to get an industrial one up over other nation etc

After ww2, the nazi went CIA, swarmed to south america, middle east, Afganistan etc to concoct civil wars and coup to promote "industrial développement" by exploiting ressources and people to build their Ford topia global.

Now its to the point most people think being scientist is building the next cellphone Who will make the next top company, originally science is studying things and building axiomatic reasoning.
192  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: December 03, 2019, 07:43:50 PM
The nazi model infiltrated our society more than we can think, lot of nazi have been recruted in scientific position after ww2.
193  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: December 03, 2019, 07:08:43 PM
I read descartes im french Smiley i know this story its part of our national history and culture Smiley

But what descartes also say is that our senses are misleading and we can only trust our thought, and doubt everything we see or hear, that material world is an illusion etc in itself its also what you find in most religions too. Its about power of the mind and of rational thinking, with his theory of the soul with the pineal gland etc i dont think he wrote that because of pressure from catholic church. And it still boil down to say there is more to the world than what the eyes can see and there is a divine inspiration beyond the mind as a pure mechanical system etc

The catholic church was suffocating a bit, but there was other branch of religions as well, like rosicrucian even if its a bit after, or cathares, templar ans other groups, rejecting the catholic dogma doesnt mean he was not into religion or believing in god.

Like liebniz Who is also one of the best mathematician and logistician, he was also critics of catholic church and some religious dogma, but he was still christian.

I dont really see where is this huge barrier between scientific research and religion in itself if you dont limit religious practice to catholic inquisition.
194  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: December 03, 2019, 06:28:15 PM
Religion is not about astronomy or supposed to give a description of the material world.

The geocentric model come from aristotle more than the bible as far as i know, and ironically he was more the science Guy of the team.

The relationship between catholic church and aristotle and natural science is complex.

 But its hard to say that catholic church was anti science by supporting the aristotle model because its the closest to science you could get at this time.

Science still cant explain life and consciousness either.

Most great scientist and philosopher were religious too.

They had no choice.

Einstein riemann or newton had the choice. And even the others like liebniz, descartes etc Even if you look where algebra comes from, its also grounded in theology.
195  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: December 03, 2019, 02:11:32 PM
Religion is not about astronomy or supposed to give a description of the material world.

The geocentric model come from aristotle more than the bible as far as i know, and ironically he was more the science Guy of the team.

The relationship between catholic church and aristotle and natural science is complex.

 But its hard to say that catholic church was anti science by supporting the aristotle model because its the closest to science you could get at this time.

Science still cant explain life and consciousness either.

Most great scientist and philosopher were religious too.
196  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What is happening to new projects? on: December 03, 2019, 12:23:07 PM
The way i see it, i never see ICO/IEO really explaining a real business model, there is the part
about the project they want to develop and everything about the token and how to buy it, but
what is very rarely if ever seen, is how and when they will have something to sell, how many they
are planning to sell, and how this will translate to the token sold in the ICO rising price on the exchange.

I concur completely, your response was generously packed with holistic insight.
Would you be as generous as to allow me to send a link to a concept paper (pdf)
that I believe has the potential of meeting and perhaps even exceeding the criteria
you outline in the post above?

In any event, I consider you a great find and one of a handful I've encountered
with the breadth and depth of understanding you bring to the table. Thank you.

Sure you can send the PDF Smiley i think there is lot of thinking To do on how To fund blockchain project properly , ICO are not really very good, IEO ultimately depend on the trust with the exchange to be neutral and objective, but even selling token as both fund rising speculative assets and utility token for users is not very good idea imo. Neither for the investor or the project development long term.
197  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What is happening to new projects? on: December 03, 2019, 12:15:49 PM
One of the reasons why projects fail is that the team makes very big projections of what they ''aim'' to do without being sure of the possibility of getting the required resources (Human and Non-Human) to help achieve that huge goal of the project. The problems starts from not been able to get enough funding from the fund raiser event, sometimes delivery a substandard product with bad UIX if at all they are able to kick off. Greed on the team side has a role to play when pointing factors that could be responsible for failed projects. the list goes on

This is "VAPORWARE"
198  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: December 03, 2019, 09:32:44 AM

What has religion accomplished in the last 100 years?  Diddly-squat.


And we have destroyed 90% of our ecosystem and lost social cohesion, with two world war and a cold war, plus Hiroshima and all,but at least we have xannax and know how many rings there is on saturn and how many forces there is in the universe.

If you don't like progress, go live in Afganistan.  You will get all the social cohesion you so desperately desire.


You are correct af-newbie when you stated that the vast majority of humanity is ignorant.

The most dangerous manifestation of that ignorance is our insane and ill conceived push for power and technological supremacy. As a species we constantly ask can it be done? A wiser species would ask should it be done?

Our willingness to use violence on our fellows in the form of war coupled with the power technological supremacy provides makes the current human trajectory both unchangeable and tenuous at best. It does not take a genius to see that our society is in very deep trouble an out of control train running out of tracks.

It is insanity to work so hard to make this possible:
"Slaughterbots" | Presented by ALTER
Or this:
New Robot Makes Soldiers Obsolete (Bosstown Dynamics)

And those things are just the beginnings of what we are on the verge of unleashing on ourselves in our blind search of power without wisdom.

The Amish essentially have it right on this issue. We should be far far more selective and thoughtful with regards to our technology and technological advancement. Sadly the rest of humanity not only fails to understand their wisdom they often mocks them for it.

This Is How And Why The Amish Live Off The Grid
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/this-is-how-and-why-the-amish-live-off-the-grid/


Amish are wrong on many things, including their abuse of women and children.  Their insistence on freezing their communities in the 1850s is hilarious and tragic at the same time.

Trust me, you don't want to live off-grid.  I tried it.  You will break your back just to prove a point to yourself that you can do it.  
Not to mention you will drop a shitload of money to set it up. Completely worthless exercise.

I agree with you that we have to be careful when adopting new technology.    
However, we have no choice.  The Luddite position or religious refusal is just silly.

We have to find a way to live with technological progress, be left behind or in the worse case be replaced by it.

Progress will happen whether we like it or not.

Science originally is not even about achieving things, or doing company or building technology. Science is about knowledge and understanding the rules of the universe, and not only thermodynamic and how many watt you can get from 1l of gas, and how much profits you can make out of it. And from the moment you are in this demarch of understanding law of universe, it require the proto thesis that the universe has law, that are constant and eternal, and that it obey To reason, which is in alignement with theology.

Technology can only bring real progress if it contain an humanist dimension to it, like in the platonic sense of percieving knowledge through the good like we percieve object through the Sun. Like the noble truth in budhism.

Otherwise it just become a tool to satisfy greed and ego, putting material needs above everything else, leading To a form of self destruction.

Religion is not opposed To knowledge or science in itself, on the contrary, the logos as the basis of rational thinking is a concept from theology, only in the measure that its taken in the Matrix of greed and ego, destroying eco system and exploiting children To build some technology as cheap as possible To make a maximum of profits in wall street. But its not really what science is about originally.

The relation between mathematics and physics is purely coincidental, and only hold if you believe the universe is ordered and follow reason, otherwise physics is a delusion like any other, with its lot of dogma used to justify the privilege of a ruling elite like the bad side of institutional religion, and no axiomatic grounding as a rational discipline.

They even put a shiva statue in front of the CERN, it show that scientific progress and religion are not fundementally opposed.
199  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: December 03, 2019, 06:53:37 AM

What has religion accomplished in the last 100 years?  Diddly-squat.


And we have destroyed 90% of our ecosystem and lost social cohesion, with two world war and a cold war, plus Hiroshima and all,but at least we have xannax and know how many rings there is on saturn and how many forces there is in the universe.

If you don't like progress, go live in Afganistan.  You will get all the social cohesion you so desperately desire.

The ecosystems are being destroyed because we reproduce like rabbits.  That is the root cause of our environmental issues.

To stop the destruction, we need to have a negative population growth rate or at least a near-zero growth rate.

But religious lunatics reproduce like there is no tomorrow.  You know, because that is what God (aka them) wants, LOL.



Im developper, i like science and technology, why so offensive lol

The ecosystem is being destroyed because we loose respect for life and the sacred in our race for developpement.

I dont even understand why you oppose systematically the two, after all originally science is a branch of greek philosophy, sophy coming from Sophia, which is a greek goddess of wisedom, also close to concept of trinity.

Negative growth rate, i expected more optimism from a great progressist scientist like you lol whats the use of all those force in the universe if in the end we cant use it To grow our population  Huh

But yeah why not im living again when i go to Bali lol but there is still technology there. Afganistan maybe not, too much CIA Who want to promote capitalist développement with al Qaïda.

Its even quite ironical to see people like you promoting science as absence of bias and objectivity having so much preconcievied and stereotypical view about certain topics while calling everyone ignorant.

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200  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: December 02, 2019, 08:59:38 PM

What has religion accomplished in the last 100 years?  Diddly-squat.


And we have destroyed 90% of our ecosystem and lost social cohesion, with two world war and a cold war, plus Hiroshima and all,but at least we have xannax and know how many rings there is on saturn and how many forces there is in the universe.
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