We do have the capability to know all because we are god, we have consciousness. Think in terms of positive and negative. Your soul, consciousness, awareness, knows all. Your human part, fear, doubt, does not. Consciously eliminate all negative thought streams and you are left with unconditional positivity, which is powerful. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_recordsWhat makes you different from those billon rocks of a billion stars? They are the same as you. They are you. Sutters Mill, if someone believes god does not exist, which there are plenty of people who do, they are basically saying they don't exist. And again, if you are able to imagine god, there is no reason you cannot believe in what you imagine because you are channeling it's existence into your reality just by thought. |
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The point of this thread was proof through mathematics and logic that god exists.
If nothing is nothing, everything is everything, everything exists.
This is a completely valid and true statement. Add to the fact that we live in an infinite universe, there are infinite dimensions and you are constantly changing dimensions as you read this. It is statistically 100% improbable that god does not exist, that an elephant does not exist in your room and that we aren't having this exact same conversation somewhere else at this very moment. It is up to you to tune yourself to that reality and make it exist in your perception.
Also consider widening your concept of god. Think simpler in terms of ego being negative and god being positive. God means all, god means the universe. You are a part of everything, you are a part of the universe, you are god.
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The idea behind atheism is the non existence of god. You're right about that.
This logic is inherently flawed as itself is a negative. The syntax of that (English?) sentence is flawed. However, the flaws go beyond cleaning up your English. The belief that there is no god is just a belief. It's not a "negative". Yes, there is a syntactic negation in the sentential statement of that belief. But even old Aristotle seems to have a better idea than you about how opposition relations (which *do* exist!) feed into natural language statements with negation (cf _The Categories_). Its self. My bad. I don't see how that helps it? So the sentence is now: "This logic is inherently flawed as its self is a negative." ? This logic is inherently flawed as its self [non existence] is a negative. How does that not make sense? Non existence does not exist. To say non existence exists is a fallacy. It is like a riddle.
Uh, it's hard to figure out what you mean by that? ^^^. Non-existance is a quality. It's the quality of not existing. Obviously (by definition!) you won't find that quality inhering any extant objects, but geez, is it really throwing you for this hard of a loop? "Nothing is nothing, unless it is something" If non existence, or nothing, is a quality, then it is something, so it must exist as a conceptualization. How can nothing be something if it is nothing? You are mixing logical levels. See the use/mention distinction. There is the concept of a dog. I label it with a term "dog". This does not mean that the properties of the dog inhere in the term "dog". The concept of nothing certainly exists and we can label it. This does not equivalent to locating an instance of nothingness in the real world. I feel like your logic would lead you do deny the existence of the color blue because the word "blue" has no color. I've said this many times, you may conceptualize non existence. You cannot experience non existence as if non existence existed there would be no way to experience it. How can non existence truly exist? It's a blatant fallacy.
Wait a minute. Conceptualizing nothingness is not the same thing as conceptualizing that I am nothing. Who threw me into the nothingness? Again, you confuse logical levels. Here we have a person conceptualizing and we have the concept they envision. Conflating the two things leads to confusion. If this conflation feels mystical or gives you a religious feeling, that's fine. But it's not the same as a logical assertion. You shouldn't expect others to follow you.
If you are conceptualizing that you are nothing, you are clearly something, which is in the act of conceptualizing nothing. It doesn't make you nothing.
Who said it does? I beleive that the old dinosaur energy was converted into non-dinosaur energy in the form of organic material on the Earth. If you can allow me to believe in the non-dinosaurness of the present reality, why can't you entertain that someone believes that there is no God in the present reality?
Think about this, what are thoughts? Do you think perhaps they may be other dimensions us multidimensional beings are able to connect to? Just like when you dream, we connect to other realities, other dimensions. Though humans have not evolved to fully connect to these other dimensions, yet. Everything exists right where you are, there are infinite dimensions/frequencies to tune your mind to, we just need to learn how to do it. So you used to be an atheist until you got yourself all confused with some pseudo-metaphysical sophistry? I think you need a philosophy 101 course, dude.
No. I used to be an atheist until I experienced a great depression, looked within for answers, came out of that depression and experienced egodeath confirming the existence of god. Egodeath is when your soul, consciousness, completely separates from the physical plane of the universe. The fourth dimension is composed of specific and filtered light spectrums to create your reality of space and time, in other words, you see colors which create the illusion of division. As we have learned, when you combine all these frequencies, colors, together, you get white light. When you are separated from your sense of self, or reality, your consciousness inputs all frequencies of the universe. This results in your vision turning to completely white energy of the highest form, consciousness, love, god. Ego death brings the feeling of infinite love, it is a greater feeling than 1000 times the happiest point of your life, at a minimum. It is what you experience upon death. This kid's had multiple near death experiences and he describes the same infinite peace and white light of united consciousness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4LSEXsvRAI“While I was still unconscious, I was in this white room; no walls, it just went on and on. There was no sound, but that same peaceful feeling I had when I was four. I was wearing a really nice suit, and so was my favorite rapper, Kid Cudi. I then looked at myself in the mirror—I was proud of myself, of my entire life, everything I have done. It was the best feeling. I didn’t want to leave that place. I wish I never woke up.” "Right then, my favorite song of his came on, Mr. Rager. The part where it said, 'when will the fantasy end, when will the heaven begin?' And he said, 'Go now.'" Another testimony: Following a simple medical procedure for pancreatitis in 2009, Crystal McVea of Oklahoma went into full respiratory arrest on the operating table. When that happened, she says she experienced a trip to heaven that renewed her faith in God, whom she met in person. She described him as “an immense brightness,” one that she could “feel, taste, touch, hear, and smell,” and recalled having 500 senses while in heaven, as opposed to the traditional human five. Great, if your religion is helping you, I'm not against that. I think your only mistake is suggesting that these mystical feeling you get from these poems you're writing equates with a logical necessity. Thoughts are thoughts, people think them. That some people think that there is no God is simply a belief that some people have. Perhaps just as unjustifiably as your belief that thinking about the concept of nothing leads to contradictions (it doesn't!). Likewise, if your religion, atheism, is helping you, go for it. But I don't see very much peace to gain, from experience, with the fallacious belief system that we grow up and die into nothing. I've contemplated this long and hard as a young kid and the reason it scared me so much is because I couldn't comprehend non existence. Little did I know, it's because non existence does not exist. What poems are you speaking of? I quite literally left my body and the physical realm of reality to see a completely infinite white light of love. If that doesn't prove something, then idk man, you'll just have to wait till you die to see for yourself. |
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I hope that is not true.
You can't fight nuclear bombs with nuclear bombs, just doesn't work.
You can, however, fight it with peace.
The question is, do you believe a nuclear bomb IS a nuclear bomb? It certainly isn't nothing. |
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It's the end of a little more than just Britain.
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The idea behind atheism is the non existence of god. You're right about that.
This logic is inherently flawed as itself is a negative. The syntax of that (English?) sentence is flawed. However, the flaws go beyond cleaning up your English. The belief that there is no god is just a belief. It's not a "negative". Yes, there is a syntactic negation in the sentential statement of that belief. But even old Aristotle seems to have a better idea than you about how opposition relations (which *do* exist!) feed into natural language statements with negation (cf _The Categories_). Its self. My bad. Non existence does not exist. To say non existence exists is a fallacy. It is like a riddle.
Uh, it's hard to figure out what you mean by that? ^^^. Non-existance is a quality. It's the quality of not existing. Obviously (by definition!) you won't find that quality inhering any extant objects, but geez, is it really throwing you for this hard of a loop? "Nothing is nothing, unless it is something" If non existence, or nothing, is a quality, then it is something, so it must exist as a conceptualization. How can nothing be something if it is nothing? Likewise, nothing is nothing. You cannot be nothing, nor can you become something from nothing, nor can you become nothing from something. Existence is eternal.
Dumb, dumb, dumb. Really? Existence is eternal? Ok, so I guess the dinosaurs and the twin towers still exist... In some other reality, yes, they do. Universe is infinite. Please explain how energy, which cannot be created nor destroyed, ceases to exist. You may conceptualize nothingness, perhaps as darkness or void, but you cannot perceive nothing, for nothing does not exist.
Thanks for the permission to conceptualize nothingness. Perhaps you might change your mind and allow us to conceptualize that God is something like that nothingness you mentioned. That is fine. You may perceive god to be nothingness, but it is only your own reality that you are perceiving to be nothingness. And by perceiving god through any amount, whether thought or belief, you are still confirming it's existence. So you used to be an atheist until you got yourself all confused with some pseudo-metaphysical sophistry? I think you need a philosophy 101 course, dude.
No. I used to be an atheist until I experienced a great depression, looked within for answers, came out of that depression and experienced egodeath confirming the existence of god. Egodeath is when your soul, consciousness, completely separates from the physical plane of the universe. The fourth dimension is composed of specific and filtered light spectrums to create your reality of space and time, in other words, you see colors which create the illusion of division. As we have learned, when you combine all these frequencies, colors, together, you get white light. When you are separated from your sense of self, or reality, your consciousness inputs all frequencies of the universe. This results in your vision turning to completely white energy of the highest form, consciousness, love, god. Ego death brings the feeling of infinite love, it is a greater feeling than 1000 times the happiest point of your life, at a minimum. It is what you experience upon death. This kid's had multiple near death experiences and he describes the same infinite peace and white light of united consciousness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4LSEXsvRAI“While I was still unconscious, I was in this white room; no walls, it just went on and on. There was no sound, but that same peaceful feeling I had when I was four. I was wearing a really nice suit, and so was my favorite rapper, Kid Cudi. I then looked at myself in the mirror—I was proud of myself, of my entire life, everything I have done. It was the best feeling. I didn’t want to leave that place. I wish I never woke up.” "Right then, my favorite song of his came on, Mr. Rager. The part where it said, 'when will the fantasy end, when will the heaven begin?' And he said, 'Go now.'" Another testimony: Following a simple medical procedure for pancreatitis in 2009, Crystal McVea of Oklahoma went into full respiratory arrest on the operating table. When that happened, she says she experienced a trip to heaven that renewed her faith in God, whom she met in person. She described him as “an immense brightness,” one that she could “feel, taste, touch, hear, and smell,” and recalled having 500 senses while in heaven, as opposed to the traditional human five. |
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Just listen to your words. I never said atheists don't exist, I said their belief is fallacious.
But I think you knew this. There is no way you're that delusional, you're clearly a negative being consciously spreading fear into public to distract them from the truth. In other words, you're a shill, just like fox news propaganda pushers, though they can at least add a piece of logic to a conversation rather than spewing defamatory remarks to people with every sentence they speak.
And if you even read the OP, I said non existence does not exist. I also said everything is everything, meaning everything exists. So please enlighten me as to how your brain translated that to myself not existing?
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No, you have proven your ability to compulsively lie, though. Wait wait, just to be clear ... you took credit for curing cancer with your mind?
Do you even know what 'quantum' is?
Bringing a childs indoctrination into the equation means nothing. Any person that is impressionable can be taught anything as fact. Maturity separates things like jesus and santa clause from reality.
Listening to someone tripping balls and claiming when they are finished curing dogs of cancer (which wasn't published in any medical journal, funny that) they will be resurrected at a music festival is just too much. There needs to be a sitcom based on this guy. I'd pay to watch that. It is just hilarious.
By the way guys, I invented the spoon.
I was never properly rewarded for my invention to humanity so spoon related donations are welcome.
I cured cancer in one dog, not all dogs. And how is buddy doing? That may make it two dogs I've helped. I was never indoctrinated with any religion. I grew up atheist. I found god when I experienced egodeath, nirvana, and saw for myself just how real consciousness in a state of unity is. What you need to realize is that we live in an infinite universe. No matter how much you believe in santa or jesus, they still exist. The power of positives and negatives through words is very useful once you understand how to perceive it. Saying "unicorns do not exist" is a false statement, keyword not. Saying unicorns do exist is a true statement, keyword do. This doesn't mean they're present on earth, but it does mean they exist. The same applies for god. These negative perceptions are what create depression in our lives, thinking "I can't do this" or "I'm nothing" or "Nothing goes right" cause you to live in a state of delusion or falsity. If we simply change the perspective of the world from within, our experience with the world will in fact change. Believing "I can do this" or "I'm everything" or "Everything goes right" would be true statements and result in a positive shift in your reality. What are you exactly trying to say here OP?
I'm trying to convey the fallacy of negativity in that it only exists if you believe it does. This knowledge, properly harnessed, can give you all the answers to your own existence. |
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Why are people still actually trying to have a conversation with this guy? I put him on my ignore list almost a year ago now.
Good idea, doing the same now. I thought this would be an intellectual conversation about religion, how wrong I was...  As always, shill vod seems to pull the topic away from what it is, seeing as he hasn't said one logical thing to debate the OP. |
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I think my family and friends are capable of doing so.
But yes, I will resurrect at the music festival to ascend the world into a higher dimension of existence.
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Not a good idea my friend, you're going to want to see the announcement of when I'm killed, for you should probably prepare.
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Or shall I say...  |
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I have both levitated and flown, on command, in dreams. Life is but a dream.
"With the power of soul, anything is possible" - Jimi Hendrix
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When did I claim to have levitated?
And enlighten me, what exactly am I injecting?
Pathological lying is considered a mental disorder, by the way.
I guess Jesus was one psychotic dude, with all his miracles and what not. Or perhaps just enlightened.
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Psychopath: a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior. Now go get murdered already and create heaven.  Let's see YOU lay down to take a bullet...
you will be missed  Fret not, we will unite again my friend. No one will miss dank - stop spreading FUD. Dank, if you were to die today, no one will care.
You were saying? |
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Anger only motivates them to pull the trigger or press the button.
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I'll be dead honest with everybody - I have eaten a good bit of acid in my day. LSD is the perfect drug in the sense it is the least toxic psychoactive chemical, especially given the amount it diminishes your ego (sense of negativity, fear). It allows you to reflect upon your life from a collective perspective and let go of your past, it brings you peace.
I have never injected anything into my body. I've never touched heroin or cocaine, or meth, even when offered free coke on one occasion, I said no.
You are a real character to consistently spout the same lies out your mouth in such a consistent manner. Sorta disturbing tbh.
What this has to do with thread? That's right, nothing, you're simply distracting and attacking as you do.
I hope you all can see through the idiocracy and irony of vod's behavior, otherwise, humanity's more lost than I thought.
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This is why you can't even discuss with a psychotic - they forget what they have written even a few minutes ago.  You don't say?! The community rallied to pay for this dog's surgery, while the selfish prick dank injected himself with drugs and did nothing.
Wtf? Get out of here you lying shill. Go defame someone else.
1. Never did I say it was that dog, it was my neighbors dog.
2. Never have I injected myself with any drugs.
Nope. All you did was inject drugs and get high. You are a selfish prick. Now go get murdered already and create heaven. Gtfo, you continue to lie and it's just gross and pathetic. The fact that you're conscious about it makes you a pathological liar, so congrats, you're a sociopath. I'll repeat myself as to stop your misinformation defamatory fear mongering, I have never injected myself with drugs. You're just like the shills in the media that knowingly promote propaganda to instill fear into the population.
But I'm not lying - you are delusional.
He knows he will kill himself if he keeps injecting drugs into his body. But he doesn't want to be just another statistic - so he makes up a story about being murdered soon so he can create heaven for the rest of us. (yup, nut job actually said HE would create heaven with his death!)
dank sits on his ass and injects more drugs.
Psychotic indeed, vod, that you are. |
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Gtfo, you continue to lie and it's just gross and pathetic. The fact that you're conscious about it makes you a pathological liar, so congrats, you're a sociopath. I'll repeat myself as to stop your misinformation defamatory fear mongering, I have never injected myself with drugs. You're just like the shills in the media that knowingly promote propaganda to instill fear into the population.
But I'm not lying - you are delusional. You didn't lift a finger to help this dog, yet you claim you can. EVERYTHING about you is a claim - you have done nothing positive with your drug filled life. You cannot seriously tell somebody they're injecting drugs in their self multiple times after they said they've never injected their self with a drug. And you have the audacity to call me delusional? You're a sociopathic internet shill that's sole purpose of existence is to instill fear, negativity, into humans. While my sole purpose is to bring world peace, complete infinite positivity to man kind. And you're going to tell me I'm not doing anything positive? You're speaking about yourself, please stop posting propaganda in my threads, it's no more than spam at this point. |
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The idea behind atheism is the non existence of god. This logic is inherently flawed as itself is a negative. Non existence does not exist. To say non existence exists is a fallacy. It is like a riddle.
This is what makes you a mental person. Of course someone can believe that something doesn't exist, I believe, but can never prove, that Santa Clause doesn't exist as a man who flies in a sleigh at Christmas and comes down my chimney (I have no chimney, that's a riddle!) The burden of proof does not lie with atheists, simply because you cannot prove the non-existence of something. It's like me asking you to prove that there are no unicorns on earth. Until you have checked ALL of earth, you cannot tell me that there aren't. So the burden of proof would be on me to find one to prove that it exists. I do, though, think that zealous atheism is a product of religion. People who preach athiesm renew some of the worst features of Christianity and Islam, as they see it as a project of universal conversion. It's not about accepting one person's view, but allowing people to make a free choice. That said, free will itself as an idea is also 'bible-borne'. I think the title 'Atheism does not exist' is a stupid one, and probably not what you meant. I say atheism does exist, the burden of proof being on me here, because I can bring people to you who have atheist beliefs, whatever you categorise those beliefs as. I never said you can't believe in negativity, I'm simply stating it is fallacious to do so. We live in an infinite universe, it is completely improbable that Santa, unicorns and the flying spaghetti monster do NOT exist. As I said, do not get caught up on the title, Atheism does not exist by the nature of non existence, it does not mean you can't perceive atheism to exist. You really gotta use both sides of your brain to comprehend the truth through positives and negatives, we are conditioned to use our left side only. Wtf? Get out of here you lying shill. Go defame someone else.
Lying shill? Did you do anything to help this dog the community rallied over?Nope. All you did was inject drugs and get high. You are a selfish prick. Now go get murdered already and create heaven. Gtfo, you continue to lie and it's just gross and pathetic. The fact that you're conscious about it makes you a pathological liar, so congrats, you're a sociopath. I'll repeat myself as to stop your misinformation defamatory fear mongering, I have never injected myself with drugs. You're just like the shills in the media that knowingly promote propaganda to instill fear into the population. |
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