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1801  Economy / Economics / Re: Bristol to launch their own currency in September on: August 22, 2012, 09:33:39 AM
FUD.

Show me how this is a scam http://www.letslinkuk.net/

And be clear about why you think "bitcoin is often tarred with the same brush".
You have presented no counter argument to the points Ive set out.

You didnt make any valid points in the first place, it was just all incoherent FUD. You dont seem to know how the currencies actually work.

As an example, the issuers of a local currency  (in every case in which I am aware) have nothing to do with the merchants that accept them. Therefore, they have no interest in people "not using" the dollars to "profit". In fact quite the opposite. The entire reason for starting the local currency in the first place is to create a network of local resilience and to have them be exchanged as much as possible. If people don't use them, the only person that loses is the person who spent all of the time putting in the effort to build the currency in the first place.

the issuers gives you this "local currency" in exchange for what?

national currency, usually.

how does the issuers set the price per unit of the local currency?

also why wouldn't the people just use the national currency... whats the advantage of buying local currency with a national currency?

its starting to sound like Canadian Tire money


Stops what is referred to as "capital flight". Which means that money leaves the local area and ends up in the hands of some (multi) national corporation. This saves jobs, increases local prosperity and increases community resilience.
1802  Economy / Economics / Re: Bristol to launch their own currency in September on: August 22, 2012, 04:28:04 AM
FUD.

Show me how this is a scam http://www.letslinkuk.net/

And be clear about why you think "bitcoin is often tarred with the same brush".
You have presented no counter argument to the points Ive set out.

You didnt make any valid points in the first place, it was just all incoherent FUD. You dont seem to know how the currencies actually work.

As an example, the issuers of a local currency  (in every case in which I am aware) have nothing to do with the merchants that accept them. Therefore, they have no interest in people "not using" the dollars to "profit". In fact quite the opposite. The entire reason for starting the local currency in the first place is to create a network of local resilience and to have them be exchanged as much as possible. If people don't use them, the only person that loses is the person who spent all of the time putting in the effort to build the currency in the first place.

the issuers gives you this "local currency" in exchange for what?

national currency, usually.
1803  Economy / Economics / Re: Bristol to launch their own currency in September on: August 22, 2012, 03:43:52 AM
FUD.

Show me how this is a scam http://www.letslinkuk.net/

And be clear about why you think "bitcoin is often tarred with the same brush".
You have presented no counter argument to the points Ive set out.

You didnt make any valid points in the first place, it was just all incoherent FUD. You dont seem to know how the currencies actually work.

As an example, the issuers of a local currency  (in every case in which I am aware) have nothing to do with the merchants that accept them. Therefore, they have no interest in people "not using" the dollars to "profit". In fact quite the opposite. The entire reason for starting the local currency in the first place is to create a network of local resilience and to have them be exchanged as much as possible. If people don't use them, the only person that loses is the person who spent all of the time putting in the effort to build the currency in the first place.
1804  Economy / Economics / Re: Bristol to launch their own currency in September on: August 21, 2012, 08:55:59 PM
Local currencies are just glorified gift vouchers, which can only be spent locally. So they stop money leaving the area.

However, theres another reason why people issue them. The issuers are hoping that people will not redeem all the currency notes for goods or fiat, thereby creating a profit for the issuers. Thats one reason why I dont like them. The issuers can enhance this profit mechanism, by putting obstacles in the way of holders from redeeming them. So they put expiry dates on the bills, or they only allow them to be redeemed for fiat in a certain place and time.

The second reason I dont like local or private currencies, is the issuers could issue lots of them, and then go bust, or abscond, making it impossible to redeem them for fiat. That means local merchants will stop accepting them for goods, and they become instantly worthless.

Because of these reasons, local or private currencies are often considered a bit of a scam. Unfortunately, bitcoin is often tarred with the same brush. I am finding it hard to convince people that bitcoin is not like this.

FUD.

Show me how this is a scam http://www.letslinkuk.net/

And be clear about why you think "bitcoin is often tarred with the same brush".
1805  Economy / Trading Discussion / Trailing stops on: August 21, 2012, 07:30:49 PM
Mtgox doesnt seem to offer them. Does anyone know of an API provider on mtgox that offers them (and other more advanced functionality)?








(tried this in the newbies forum with 0 replies, so posting in a place where I can hopefully get some help...)
1806  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: I'm giving 100% ROI away to anyone who thinks pirate is a fraud on: August 21, 2012, 07:25:13 PM
1807  Economy / Economics / Re: Bristol to launch their own currency in September on: August 21, 2012, 06:59:02 PM
I hate to spoil your joy over this, but this Bristol currency isn't really a currency. As far as I know, it's fixed to the british pound in 1:1, thus it is merely GBP in another form. The reason why they started this project is that once you exchange your money to the Bristol thing you usually spend it there. If you just had GBP you would likely spend it somewhere else. So it helps the local economy. From our point of view this turistic attraction is irrelevant.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I got my information from newspapers and it may be wrong.

Oh yeah you're spot on, but I think it's going to add legitimacy to alternative currencies in general.
I hope not!
If the public somehow connects bitcoins with this bristol gift cards (i refuse to call it a currency. thanks to scribe for a wonderful alternative name), everyone will think of bitcoin as a gift card. Misconception is the last thing we need.

Everyone is overly exicted about a thing that only matters to the Bristol community and has nothing to do with bitcoins.

Just because it matters only to bristol or its tied to the GBP doesnt mean its not a currency. Its still a store of value and a medium of exchange. It's simply designed to promote exchange that does not allow for money to leak out of the local area (think walmart vs your local hardware store).
1808  Economy / Economics / Re: Bristol to launch their own currency in September on: August 21, 2012, 07:30:28 AM
Quite a few towns in the UK are implementing similar systems, this is just the biggest one.

Really? Do you know where else?

Brixton pound is one of the largest local currencies in the UK
But there are LETS exchanges everywhere, just on a much smaller scale in each case.
1809  Other / Beginners & Help / Trailing stops on: August 20, 2012, 08:19:06 PM
Mtgox doesnt seem to offer them. Does anyone know of an API provider on mtgox that offers them (and other more advanced functionality)?
1810  Other / Politics & Society / WikiLeaks Bypasses Financial Blockade With Bitcoin on: August 20, 2012, 06:57:28 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/08/20/wikileaks-bypasses-financial-blockade-with-bitcoin/

1811  Economy / Economics / Re: Stop the Panic! on: August 19, 2012, 11:36:20 PM
OMG THE DOLLAR JUST GAINED 30% in value as seen from the recent exchange rate vs bitcoins going up!

+1 lol

(but more like 100%)
1812  Economy / Economics / Re: Deflation and Bitcoin, the last word on this forum on: August 19, 2012, 11:32:00 PM
Deflation is good for anyone using bitcoins.

All that really needs to happen for deflation to be a net positive with a slow trend of ROI on hoarding, is for people to realize that a few things are inevitable.

1. You can have your bitcoins as your day to day spending money, and value them against another currency as if they were just a stock, if you do this, it makes it act as though you can be gain money even by acting in only bitcoins during a deflationary period.

for example, you put 100 BTC into buying seeds, you grow your crop, and at the end of the year, your crop sells for 99 BTC. This seems like a horrible deal because you lost 1 BTC, and put in the work to grow your crop, but this can be an illusory loss if you value the coins from the beginning differently than you do for the coins at the end. If you had 100 at $10.00 each at the start, and you end up with 99 at 10.15, you have still made a profit in absolute monetary value of your coins. Obviously it would have been better to just hold onto the coins, but the benefit of having a fiat to value your coins against during a deflationary period is that even when you lose, you win.  (you can still lose, but there is a cushion)

2. If people hoard indefinitely, they don't actually have money, a snowbank is not a river and can't erode a canyon until it melts.

3. Ignoring the existence of fiat currencies makes deflation a much slower process because all of your buying and selling will be done in a currency that must function for both parties when they turn around to spend it somewhere else. People won't be willing to lower their prices just because the value has supposedly gone up compared to some fiat. A cup of coffee doesn't change with the dollar every day, and it won't change with the bitcoin if the people selling it have any sense of self preservation.

This is so mind numbingly simple, it scares me that this needed to be explained.
1813  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: FUD on: August 19, 2012, 09:08:55 PM
ah great, thanks  Grin
1814  Other / Beginners & Help / FUD on: August 19, 2012, 09:01:45 PM
I consider myself rather nerdy (search function didnt help), but apparently am entirely out of the loop on this term. It seems to be something like trolling... but what exactly does this stand for?  Huh
1815  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: I am developing this: http://www.pyramining.com/ on: August 19, 2012, 07:36:16 PM
Sounds interesting, I signed up using someone's link from here. One question I have is about the liquidity of the investment. Can I pull my money out at any time? Or is there a specific time commitment required?

Thanks

Also here are my referral codes:

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Thanks to everyone who clicks the referrer link =)
1816  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Reason for current Bitcoin crash on: August 19, 2012, 06:22:05 PM
Yeah, a crash of this magnitude set off because people fell into a ponzi scheme is not good press for bitcoin.  Sad
1817  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin Businesses and Developers, Let's Get Started! on: August 16, 2012, 07:07:08 AM
I am interested in starting a few businesses that cater to bitcoins and other online-only currencies, mainly offering secure methods of doing transactions for currency-to-currency exchanges but also for any sort of good/service that is purchased over the internet.

I'm also a long-time trader in both bitcoins (about 16 months now) and equities, currencies, commodities, and bonds (over 10 years), including a 3 year stint at a prop-trading firm, essentially a swing trading hedge fund with scaled trader payouts.  Crazy times.  Anyway, I have been thinking of setting up an actual company offshore and starting a hedge fund that would essentially offer returns that aren't diminishing (as in bitcoin miner bonds) over time and giving people who have a large bulk of their assets in bitcoins the opportunity to get involved in international finance opportunities without having to go through all of the hoops to get it set up themselves, especially since my brokerage already allows me to add corporate/business accounts and is already set up to handle a huge laundry list of domestic and international assets.

I am working on an actual investment strategy breakdown and prospectus with some hard-line rules and a good, solid contract that can be respected by both parties (judge.me is international, and all of my personal and business information will be available to investors once the time is right)

My account is very, very new, but I have been a long, long time lurker on here (since back in the days of 10-cent bitcoins), and just never really had a reason to sign up.  It's time.

Interesting , I would like to hear more about what you are doing and how one might invest.
1818  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Whitelist Requests (Want out of here?) on: August 16, 2012, 07:02:06 AM
Another noob in noob prison.  Sad Looking to discuss the economics of bitcoin in that section porfavor. Would like to talk about europe, capitalism (and bitcoin's potential effect as it is essentially re-writing the rules of the market as we know it).

Thanks much
1819  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin Venue on: August 16, 2012, 06:58:20 AM
cool, thanks Smiley
1820  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Introduce yourself :) on: August 14, 2012, 05:55:23 PM
Hola,

New here - looking to discuss the economic repercussions of the emergence of electronic alternative currencies (like bitcoin)

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