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1881  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: December 15, 2023, 03:11:54 PM
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Al Ahli is only 3 points different from Al Nassr if they want second place they have to appear consistent but it looks like Al Nassr will not slip up easily as long as they still have a strong attack line and Al Nassr only needs to improve the performance of their back line to defend well and if that has been resolved by the coach I am sure Al Nassr will still be in the top position with Al Hilal.

This statement is slightly misleading. At this point, the difference between Al Nassr and Al Ahli is just 3 points, but then Al Nassr has played one match less when compared to Al Ahli. For Al Nassr, the next match is against the weak Al Ettifaq and if they win that one, then they will end up with 40 points, compared to 34 for Al Ahli. Same goes for Al Hilal as well. They have 44 points from just 16 matches and they have also played one match less when compared to Al Ahli. We can say that Al Hilal and Al Nassr are safe at the top of the table. 

As long as the league still has a long process then ya, I think the difference of 3 to 6 points is still not completely safe . But ya, considering Al Nassr also still has the ambition to continue to make a close gap with Al Hilal then ya, of course Al Nassr will also remain focused on consistently to getting three points in each match.

That way, it will certainly still be difficult for Al Ahli to overtake Al Nassr in second place and ya. What's more, Al Ahli also has played 1 match more then Al Nassr and Al Hilal so ya, of course this factor will make Al Ahli seem no longer to have a good chance to be able to compete for second place . So ya, in essence,their points tally and number of matches at this moment, will be a difficult competition because ya, it is likely that Al Hilal and Al Nassr will also keep that position until the end of the season.
1882  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 15, 2023, 02:55:45 PM
Union Berlin will not make it to the top four this season, rather they will try to fight to remain in good position, I'm not even sure they surpassed 10th position on the table. In group C, there are more challenging matches to watch and I wouldn't be surprised if Union Berlin starts picking good form and winning upcoming matches in Bundesliga, they're no longer in UCL so the team's attention is not longer divided. They will channel full focused on becoming one of the competitive clubs in bundesliga and find a way to missed out on inconsistent stats, remember they're close to the relegation zone.

The previous season they managed to get into the top 4 at the end of the season. But I agree with what you said that currently they are not performing as well as before. Previously they were a team challenging the top 5 but now they are like a mediocre team trying to escape the relegation zone. Maybe now they will be able to focus on the Bundesliga but it's a shame they are having a very bad season here.

Basically Union Berlin is a mediocre team but ya, because in the last three seasons Union Berlin has managed to compete at least in the top seven of the Bundesliga standings, then that might make you think Union Berlin is an elite team. Even though ya, in reality Union Berlin is not a big team or a seeded team in the Bundesliga so yes, with the decline in performance that they experienced this season I think it is still part of a process so it is normal to happen.

However, if you think Union Berlin will not be able to enter the top 10 in the Bundesliga standings this season, then I think that assumption is quite underestimating Union Berlin. Because, in reality, at this moment Union Berlin can at least slowly get out of the relegation zone and also, this weekend Union Berlin will play away against Bochum. Therefore, of course there is still a chance for Union Berlin to continue to improve its position and return to the top 10.
1883  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 15, 2023, 02:45:31 PM
The match between Rayo Vallecano and Osasuna, from the previous performance of Osasuna I don't think that team of Osasuna can be able to defeat Rayo Vallecano, because the last match of Osasuna it played 1:1 against Cadiz and the goal was equalise through penalty base on their pressure to Cadiz so they will not lose this match because their previous match they almost lose the match,it was at die minutes the penalty manifest, so for Rayo Vallecano, they may likely defeat Osasuna because if you go through their history you see that they have a very record they have lose a match and it may be that they will win the match or it ended draw, because both team is of same performance style from my understanding

Osasuna's position in the La Liga standings is currently below Rayo Vallecano and they have a gap of 4 points, but yes, even though based on the odds, the reality is that Osasuna is still quite the favorite to win. But yes, even though Osasuna is quite the favorite in this match, but I personally not sure at all about Osasuna will win this match.

Because after all, in Osasuna's home match record so far, the reality is that Osasuna doesn't have good home results, while regarding Rayo Vallecano's away matches, the reality is that Rayo Vallecano has good away match results at this moment. Therefore, at least I predict that Rayo Vallecano will not lose this match and maybe a draw could occur. But yes, even if for example one of them manages to win, I'm sure their winning goal won't be big and maybe only differ by one goal and therefore, I'm sure this match won't have many goals.
1884  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 15, 2023, 02:37:07 PM
Roma are in top form after closing out the European league with a convincing win last night and perhaps last week they failed to get close to Milan after only drawing against Fiorentina. This week, Roma will still have quite a tough match in Serie A because they will face Bologna, which is a team ranked below them with the same points.

Roma may face difficulties again in this match because they will be playing away from home and Bologna seems quite favored to win even though the opponent is Roma. But it is clear that if one of these teams wins it will make the gap wider, but if it comes to a draw like Napoli will take advantage of this result to shift them both. So either Roma or Bologna must do their best not to give up their current position from Napoli.

If you believe AS Roma is at its best performance at this moment, then I think you can be more confident that AS Roma can beat Bologna. But for me, I personally can't say that AS Roma is in its best performance because ya, for me AS Roma still doesn't have stable performance. Therefore, I will doubt AS Roma against Bologna later, but yes, at least I still have a little confidence that AS Roma still has a chance to put up a good game even though they are playing away.

Because yes, basically Bologna is a mediocre team and if I compare it with AS Roma then yes, I think AS Roma still has a better mentality than Bologna. But indeed, because at this moment Bologna also has a pretty good trend, of course, it still won't be easy for them to get full points in this match.
1885  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 15, 2023, 02:28:51 PM
Tottenham was back to their winning ways with a home win against Newcastle United in the Premier League. I think Tottenham will beat Nottingham Forest today, to keep the Premier League top-four hope alive.
Spurs would eagerly want to make it two consecutive victories after initially going five games without a win, their latest victory against Newcastle was convincing, but they now have to be consistent to win again and try to go on a winning run. It is not going to be an easy game to win, especially as Forest is at home, both Steve and Ange would be desperate for the win, but my prediction is that the game is going to end in a draw, i can't see a winner in this one.

Anyway, at this moment also that Tottenham still has a chance to get back into the top four and yes, even though Tottenham will play away against Nottingham. But yes, I will remain confident that Tottenham will still win and yes, if Tottenham manage to beat Nottingham in this match. Then Tottenham will have the same points as Manchester City with 33 points and yes, with this factor, I do not doubt Tottenham in this match to win.

After all, in Tottenham's away match record so far, in fact Tottenham still has good results too. After all, Nottingham also does not have above-average quality so yes, although it is not easy to win but still, Tottenham still has a better chance of winning in this match.
1886  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: December 14, 2023, 07:38:39 PM
Bayer Leverkusen really shows its consistency, even though it has been confirmed to qualify but ya, in fact Bayer Leverkusen still plays with its best quality because Bayer Leverkusen still managed to win big in the current match against Molde. Even though ya, if Bayer Leverkusen gets a losing result in this match, but of course basically won't change Bayer Leverkusen position but ya, it seems Bayer Leverkusen is really not willing to lose in the matches they play this season.

Also about Liverpool, which is very proud of in the Europa League this season too, but the reality is Liverpool not really consistent to keep winning like Bayer Leverkusen. Because ya, the fact is that at this moment Liverpool are still 2-1 behind by Royale Union SG. Although indeed, they only played second-tier players but anyway, Bayer Leverkusen still showed their best quality but not Liverpool.
1887  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 14, 2023, 07:04:17 PM
Newcastle were dealing with so many injuries and as you know Tonali got suspended due to illegal betting action as well. This affected Newcastle's results really negatively of course. But still when I saw them getting ahead against Milan home I was really hopeful about them to even win the match. However their problems with absent players still haunted them and Milan made a comeback to win.

If Newcastle managed to win PSG were going to say goodbye to the Champions League you know.

I personally don't think that PSG really deserved to reach next stage. I hope they get a tough draw and get eliminated early.  Grin  I'm saying this on the condition that they continue to play inconsistently here.

After all, even if PSG or Newcastle qualify for the last 16, I'm sure they won't be able to advance further in the Champions League knockout phase . Because ya, they still don't have a stable performance and as such, it will of course be difficult for them to guarantee good results in the knockout phase . But yes, at least it is still good for Newcastle to have managed to play in the Champions League this season, even though they are in the hell group, but Newcastle still managed to provide tough resistance to the top team in this group.

Thus, Newcastle clearly still needs better preparation and yes, in fact Newcastle cannot guarantee that they will return to play in the Champions League next season because competition in the Premier League has also become very difficult this season.
1888  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 14, 2023, 06:56:04 PM
As for Liverpool against Manchester United, the favorite team to win the game is Liverpool, and I have much faith in that, especially when it is Liverpool that is hosting the game. It is always very hard to defeat Liverpool in Anfield, so with Manchester United's weak performances, I have more confidence in Liverpool to win the game, but if Liverpool is not lucky, the game can lead to a draw, but I can't say Manchester United can win the game.
If Liverpool should draw with Manchester United, they know what's at stake for them in the Premier League table. A draw with Manchester United indicates that they wish to give up ground to Arsenal to stay above them, as Arsenal will undoubtedly win at home against Brighton. Therefore, regardless of how defensively Manchester United plays, Liverpool will make every effort to defeat Manchester United to maintain their recent top position in the Premier League standings.

Yes indeed, there seems to be no chance for Manchester United to win because ya, I think at this moment that Manchester United do not have good quality . Of course, the trends of Manchester United and Liverpool at this moment are clearly very different, so I personally still believe Liverpool will have a good chance to beat Manchester United in this match.

After all, Liverpool also still have to focus and be consistent to keep getting three points because ya,if Liverpool fail to get three points then ofcourse their position is still easy to take over . So ya, if Liverpool focus on succeeding this season to win the Premier League trophy then of course, Liverpool will continue to do their best and as much as possible to keep winning in every match in this Premier League.
1889  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: December 14, 2023, 06:16:18 PM
Nice is the next one. I cant believe how good they've been this season; I respect their hard work. In the Ligue 1, they've been chasing PSG, which is no easy task. It makes me think that PSG needs to pay more attention. Without a question, they're talented, but if they want to stay on top, they need to find a steady rhythm. They have to find the right mix and return to their most powerful form.

NICE is indeed able to catch up with PSG in Ligue 1. I think they are the second best team in the league this season. Even though they could be a threat to PSG in the race for the title, I think for now other teams will still find it very difficult to match PSG in the League. What differentiates PSG from other contestants in Ligue 1 is that PSG has a lot of great players so they have quite good squad depth.

In fact, Nice did not manage to maintain its top position, because Nice was overtaken by PSG. Because ya, after all, at the beginning of this season it was also the fact that PSG not at the top of the table and thus, it was clear that Nice did not have the ability to maintain the top position and did not have the ability to get it again.

Although indeed, Nice is quite impressive at this moment but still, there is no chance for Nice to return to the top position . Because ya, after all, PSG is currently also at the top of the Ligue 1 standings and yes, of course, with such a position it is very possible for PSG to remain strong because no team in Ligue 1 is able to take over the top position from PSG.
1890  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 14, 2023, 05:30:37 PM
Union fell well below expectations this year. Personally, I was disappointed while watching them. While we think they can be better, they are in 15th place in the Bundesliga. They were eliminated from UCL. It's a very sad season but now it's time to start over. They should concentrate on the league again and start to rise.
If Union Berlin has been eliminated in the UCL, it is time for them to apply better concentration in the Bundesliga to achieve a better improvement in position. Because for this season there is no more trophy that Union Berlin needs to hope for other than to stay in the Bundesliga and start next season better and more consistently from the start. This season, Union Berlin is really very different from last season, where currently Union Berlin is fighting not to be relegated at the end of the season.

It is important for Union Berlin to honestly assess what happened this season. Identifying their weaknesses and strengths, as well as understanding the factors that contributed to changes in performance from the previous season, will help them plan for necessary improvements.

Building a strong mentality within the team is the key to facing pressure and challenges. Mental training, coaching and a shared understanding of long-term goals can help strengthen a positive mentality within the team, and for now the club's main priority is not trophies but escaping relegation is the team's main priority.

At least at this moment Union Berlin managed to get out of the relegation zone although indeed, Union Berlin is not entirely safe either because the acquisition of points is still very low. But yes, if considering Union Berlin next match in the Bundesliga against Bochum, then it looks like Union Berlin still has a chance to win too. If Union Berlin managed to beat Bochum then ya, I think it is clear that Union Berlin slowly will return to the middle of the Bundesliga standings.

After all, in the last three seasons the fact that Union Berlin has always managed to improve their quality, at least it is evident from the last three seasons that Union Berlin managed to get Conference League tickets and then, the European League to the Champion League. By having such abilities then of course, Union Berlin should be able to improve its position in the Bundesliga standings this season.
1891  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: December 14, 2023, 05:01:33 PM
I don't see any of these team making it to Europa league final or even winning it, Milan, Shakhtar Donetsk and Lens have a chance of making it to the quarter final or at least one of them make it to the semi. To me as each teams are currently playing, the final match is Liverpool vs Bayern Leverkusen
Matches are played  and the targets of these clubs is winning three solid points to go straight to important phases in Europa leagues. These clubs that got shifted to Europa after failing to meet up the desirable points in UCL, can they grab golden opportunities in Europa League? Probably they will not make it to the top because the club's in Europa are prepared to face whatever club's crossing their paths. We already know the club's that will qualify for the grand Europa final and it's the UEL trophy is between Liverpool and Bayer Leverkusen.

In addition about Liverpool and Bayer Leverkusen, in fact the Europa League still has impressive teams to be able to eliminate the Champion League teams as well later. After all, there are still AS Roma, Atalanta, Brighton, West Ham and other but ya, indeed, at least teams like Milan, Feyenoord, Benfica, Lens and Galatasaray seem to have a good chance too.

But ya, when considering these teams, I believe at this moment it is clear that Liverpool and Bayer Leverkusen still have better quality than them. Therefore, it seems that the Europa League trophy winner this season will still be obtained by the team that played in the Europa League since the group phase at least from the beginning to the end of the Europa League this season.
1892  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 14, 2023, 04:40:19 PM
Barcelona will win their next game against Valencia, I don't think they can afford to lose two straight match in the league. After dropping points against Girona and they were already in the champions league round of 16, irrespective of the score of yesterday game. Xavi is an experienced manager and he wasn't really expecting much from them yesterday. I believe his eyes was already at the Valencia game so I think Barcelona will get back to winning ways this weekend. I can bet of this game that Barcelona will win.
Even though Barcelona can win the away match with Valencia, I think Barcelona will also remain in its current position if Atletico Madrid can win this week's match when they visit Athletic Club. Because up to now there are three teams that are a real obstacle for Barcelona to reach the top of the standings, so Xavi really has to give his best shot to all the players at Barcelona at the moment. If this is not the case, Barcelona will be further behind than the other three teams in the top three of the standings and will be more easily chased by other rivals from the lower ranks.

Winning results remains the main target, no matter whether the win obtained makes its position in the standings increase or settle. Because anyway, the 3 points obtained will certainly have a good impact on its position in the standings, at least it will still have hope to go up. Anyway, if compared to the results of losing, then there is no longer a good hope to be able to improve its position in the standings.

Therefore, of course Barcelona will still target three points against Valencia in the next match in La Liga. After all, the league also is still long, so of course there will also be a long process to get back on the title race track . So yes, for now it looks like Barcelona will still have a chance to win despite playing away, because Valencia also does not fully have a good performance at this moment.
1893  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 14, 2023, 04:32:09 PM
Bologna has good chances to beat Roma and for Bologna squad Riccardo Orsolini stil got injured but their striker Joshua Zirkzee is on fire because in the last 4 matches he has scores 4 goals and according to the odds i can see Bologna is the favourite @2.42 and this is good odds to bet
Bologna may be the bookies' favorite team to win but do not forget that Roma is not an easy team to beat. I will not be surprised to see Roma beating them or at least getting a draw despite the home side advantages.

It is true that the Bologna team is in good form. The team is now at  the fifth place in the  points table. Also, since  the match is Bologna's home match, everyone considers this Bologna team as the favorite. However  there is no reason to think that Mourinho's Roma team  is weak. The Roma team is quite  strong this season. And they  are keen to qualify for the Champions League from the top four of the points table. However, both of the last three  matches between these two teams have been drawn. I think the next match is more likely to be a draw. No team will want to lose points in this match and fall further behind in the points table.

Try not to always get hung up on the elite team because after all, although many people predict Bologna might win but of course, these predictions also do not fully assume AS Roma is weak. Because after all, at least so far this season the reality is that Bologna has a good record of results for home matches. Also, at the same time the reality is that currently Bologna and AS Roma have the same points too and ya, with these factors then I think it is natural that Bologna is the favorite team in this match.

But yes, although I also agree with Bologna who are favorites in this match but yes, it still won't be easy for Bologna to beat AS Roma. Therefore, then at least Bologna has a chance not to be defeated in this home match, because so far Bologna is still impressive for home matches.
1894  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 14, 2023, 04:23:14 PM
Spain was the country with the most representatives in the Champions League in the round of 16 this season and 4 of its representatives also managed to become group winners in their respective groups. Meanwhile, for representatives from the league which is said to be the most competitive in the world, only 2 representatives managed to qualify for the round of 16 and they were also represented by the two best teams since last season. It is a fact that Spain is still a better league than other leagues on the list of top European leagues.
Premier League is an overrated league, they consider it's the best league since the cash flow is higher compared to other league. In La Liga only few teams are rich, that's make the competitions between the top 10 teams are really far compared to Premier League.

If La Liga isn't the best league, why Real Madrid has the highest titles in UCL? why the most popular rivalry is El Clasico?

I don't care how many La Liga and Premier League teams qualify for the round of 16 because ya, I think the judgment will still be at the end about which team win the trophy. After all, although La Liga teams have more teams which qualifying for the round of 16 at this moment but ya, ofcourse, not all of that 4 teams will also be able to reach the semi-finals and finals match later.

After all, they are also in groups that have varied opponents, meaning, not all La Liga teams are in difficult groups or hell groups in that group phase. With that, then I think whatever teams qualify for the round of 16, but I don't think it can be said to be the best league completely either.
1895  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 14, 2023, 04:06:35 PM
Lol I actually confused who's Harry Potter which people are discussing, it turns out "Graham Potter".

This is really a bad news, if Potter will really join Manchester United, we can expect Manchester United will relegated and play in second league. Cheesy

It's better to have Ten Hag than Potter, but it's better to sack Ten Hag for the recent worst result. Grin

Yes, I also wondered who Harry Potter was referring to, were they just making a joke or was there really a coach named Harry Potter but ya, in reality it was Graham Potter. Obviously, if you compare Graham Potter with Erik ten Hag then of course Erik ten Hag has better qualities because Erik ten Hag was successful in his first season with Manchester United. Meanwhile for Graham Potter, he really failed in his first season with Chelsea.

Therefore, I really don't understand how Manchester United determines their head coach. Because ya, if Manchester United really has plans to recruit Graham Potter then it is quite possible, Manchester United might experience even worse damage . But ya, I hope this is just a discourse and will not actually happen, because of course Manchester United needs a head coach who is experienced and of better quality, of course.
1896  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 13, 2023, 06:39:55 PM
the 1.fc.köln has to pay a fine of 595,000 euros for firing pyrotechnics . the match had to be interrupted for 8 minutes .
this is the highest fine imposed by the dfb so far. the 1.fc.köln has lodged a protest against this drastic fine  Wink
it looks really nice. but unfortunately it's also dangerous for the fans

That is a huge amount.
But it was clear that the DFB would increase the fines. Because the clubs have not managed to stop such actions so far. Again and again, these so-called fans manage it to smuggle in so much pyrotechnics. I know that there is always a discussion for and against it. But as you have already written, it is dangerous for the fans.

It is unfortunate that such fan behavior only has a bad impact on the team, moreover FC Koln is not a team that has a storehouse of money but unfortunately, their fans make the club have to pay such expensive fines. Obviously, this incident is the worst incident for the team, because at this moment also FC Koln is still in the relegation zone and may also have a bad impact on player morale.

I'm just curious, what exactly is the purpose of them doing this, because if there is no clear purpose then of course shooting fireworks before the start of the match will greatly disturb the course of the match. So it's natural that in the end the club was fined, but the fine is very large and of course, the club also objected to doing it, and maybe there will still be a way to appeal to reduce the fine.
1897  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: December 13, 2023, 06:26:15 PM
Finally, we don't see the top winners of the European League title this season and yes, that's because Sevilla lost against Lens in the last match of the Champions League group stage so they couldn't come to the European League again. This is certainly very pleasant news for any team that is still surviving or has already qualified for the last 16 of the European league because they will not meet Sevilla.
Sevilla was eliminated out of European competition yesterday by Lens, they could have qualified if they win their last match yesterday, but unfortunately, they are not on form and they couldn’t win any away match which lead them to being eliminated.

The absence of Sevilla should not be something other teams should be happy about, because there are teams that are very good that will be coming to challenge Bayern Leverkusen and Liverpool, let’s just wait for the last match today.


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It is clear that the strongest candidates will still be Liverpool and Leverkusen to win the European League this season and that will allow both of them to progress without any obstacles. Sevilla often used the same method in previous seasons to maintain their chances of winning this competition, but unfortunately they failed to do the same thing this season and this meant they had to return their focus to the domestic league.
Yes for now, they remain the strongest teams to win the Europa League, but Galatasaray will be a strong opposition to them together either Newcastle United or AC Milan.


Indeed, Sevilla has a good history in the Europa League but ya, that does not mean Sevilla will continue to get the same success every season. So ya, even though for example Sevilla still managed to play in the Europa League this season but still, there is no chance for Sevilla this season to be able to repeat its success like last season. Therefore, I think whether or not Sevilla exists, it actually will not pose any threat to Liverpool and Bayer Leverkusen this season in the Europa League.

But yes, regarding the strong candidates for the Europa League title this season, of course, we will agree that Liverpool and Bayer Leverkusen will remain the strongest candidates. Thus, it seems that there is no longer any need to doubt the chance and quality of Liverpool and Bayer Leverkusen this season in the Europa League because they still have a very good trend so far this season.
1898  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 13, 2023, 05:47:25 PM
It was very difficult to see Barcelona's defeat against Girona, because there was a record that was broken too.
First time in history Girona beat Barcelona. Girona has standard player material, but has an even collective game in all lines.
Even when Real Madrid beat Girona at that time, they still had the majority of their core players such as Modric, Tchouameni, Vini Jr.
So I think Girona's current level of play is really surprising. Girona's competition to be at the top of La Liga reminds me of Leicester City in the 2015/2016 season. Hopefully, if Girona becomes La Liga champions this season, they will retain the majority of their starting eleven.
As you said Girona this season is very different, especially since they were able to beat a team like Barcelona, ​​of course this is all beyond predictions, the current Barcelona players have not been able to achieve their best performance so it is difficult for them to be at the top of the rankings this season, and currently Gerona are already at the top of the standings, if they can maintain their performance until the end of the season then I am sure they will win La Liga this time, and this will be a big history for the La Liga club, but the struggle is still long so they have to be careful in every next match so that other clubs can continue to be beaten, and I really want to wait for the surprises of La Liga this season.


Even though you say this result is beyond prediction, but I think not at all. Because, in reality, many bettors are betting on Girona to win and that includes me too because yes, I think this match can still be predicted if we not focus only on elite teams like Barcelona. After all, with the great consistency that Girona currently has, and at the same time Barcelona is still in a bad situation and yes, with these factors, at least Girona still has a chance to get points.

The result really happened, because Barcelona really couldn't turn things around in this match, even though Barcelona was still able to have good statistics, but unfortunately this factor was still not enough. Because after all, in the +90th minute, Gundogan actually managed to score a goal to reduce the defeat to 2-3 but unfortunately, Girona was still able to reply to the goal and secured the win to 2-4.
1899  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 13, 2023, 05:30:32 PM
Manchester City have updated starting eleven and Pep Guardiola make more than 80% rotation for last Champion League group stage round match against Crvena zvezda. There are not Erling Haaland on starting eleven or bench and Pep Guardiola used youth player for attacking line from Oscar Bobb and Rico Lewis. On defender have Pep Guardiola make rotation with Kyle Walker right defender position fill by Micah Hamilton
and seems become first debut for many youth Manchester City player. I have put Manchester City in the list team winning without looking before current line up, will youth players and first experience as starting eleven in Champion League make easy for winning?

Man City line-up



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It looks like Pep Guardiola is not targeting to win in this last match, even though the opponent he faces is Crvena zvezda who is at the bottom of the standings but yes, Pep Guardiola does not want to force his main players to keep playing. After all, with rotation like this it also provides a good opportunity for young Manchetser City players, but even so I'm sure there is no target to win for Manchester City in this match.

But yes, because young players get the opportunity to be able to play in the starting eleven then of course, they will still play well. At least, with opportunities like this, of course, young players will show the quality they have, and of course it will be a good consideration for them to get more minutes to play in other matches later. After all, basically Manchester City have also been confirmed to qualify for the last 16, at least Pep Guardiola also still has to have a good focus on the Premier League which also has difficult competition at this moment.
1900  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 13, 2023, 04:49:30 PM
Manchester City lost a lot of points this season, it seems they are not interested in the title race this season, they seem serious about focusing on the Champions League to maintain their name as defending champions this season, even though some time ago they were beaten by Aston Villa and held to a draw by Liverpool but Manchester City are slowly starting to recover to improve their consistent game play which was lost in the previous match.
Why are you so sure that Man City is not interested in the Premier League trophy? Although their performance this season is not as good as last season and they lost in several matches but that doesn't mean their chances in the Premier League are gone. Currently, they are only 4 points behind Liverpool, who are in first place and there is still a very long way to go in the Premier League, so Man City still has a lot of time to improve and make a comeback. I think Man City can be better because they are a team that has a winning mentality and they have the capability to do so.

Yes indeed, it is very funny about assumptions like that, they assume when the team gets bad results then they assume the team is not interested to get trophy, honestly that is a very funny assumption. After all, with the results that Manchester City are not getting optimally like that at this moment, of course it doesn't mean that Manchester City is a sick team that can easily leave the title race.

Because after all, Manchester City is an elite team that always targets trophies every season, so yes, bad results like this are still normal considered because they are still part of the process in the long step throughout the season. After all, Manchester City is also not in the middle of the standings, so yes, with that said that Manchester City still has a close points gap with Liverpool, so of course there are still many good opportunities for Manchester City to be able to compete strongly again in the race for the title and that does not mean they are not interested in trophies.
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