Technically they're against the rules, but people kinda started to get a free pass in the Gambling Discussion sub a while back. Personally, I don't really care about them regarding users like tipsters who are giving their picks away for free and include a ref link if anyone wants to put the bet through them. At least they're putting some effort or at least thought into their posts, but I'm sure many others (including mods) would disagree. If someone just signs up to post a ref link though that would be a different story. Theymos will probably say take them on a case by case basis but I'm sure everyone has a different opinion on in what context they should or shouldn't be allowed (especially regarding tipsters).

2.5 points from that round total lol. Can't believe Spurs lost to Newcastle and at home. Nobody predicted that outcome, not unexpectedly. I have Newcastle to go down on an accumulator as well. Spurs can't be throwing points away like that if they want to stay in the running for the title, but I think it's going to be down to Liverpool and City all the way.

Highest scorers so far in the running for the consolation prizes (though I expect all of these will be surpassed fairly quickly):

hilariousandco 14.5
Sojourner 14.5
BitcoinSupremo 13 tied
hahay 13 tied

I prefer using PayPal when necessary. It's great for ebay and other such online services. One or two clicks and you don't have to give the site your bank details and you're also protected if anything goes wrong. It's obviously not perfect and every business has to make money but we need payment processors regardless of whether you're using fiat or crypto. Which ones you use is entirely up to you and if there's cheaper/better ones people should vote with action. I haven't sold anything on ebay in years mostly due to their fees, but I still buy lots from there and it's the sellers who have to pay the price of fees not the buyers luckily. 


Well it's the same with Credit Cards. In fact, I think they offer even longer, maybe up to a year or something. I've never had a chargeback happen to me that long after. They're normally within a week or two when the person had claimed an item didn't arrive, but I'm sure PP would require some good reasoning as to why you've only just decided to try the charge-back 6 months later.

You were saying?  It seems a lot of people backed the draw last night and most at 1-1. I did think about changing it to 1-2 but glad I stuck to my guns this time. Nice to see both Manchester's dropping two points from this round.


Not for me. Thanks Pogba for the 3 points  .


I didn't do that great either really. Got 6 nul points but 2 close and 2 correct scores from the last two games, which was just enough for me two creep back into first. Had I not got the last two right it would have been a disastrous round.

There is only one true fake Satoshi and that is Craig Wright  .

If the real satoshi wanted to make himself known I'm sure he could easily do it in multiple ways. But ask yourself this, why did the real satoshi go to such great lengths to hide his identity. It's almost like he didn't want to be found. These other guys seem desperate to be found and want to make you believe they are satoshi just for their own financial gain. Again, if the real satoshi did want to re-appear, I'm sure he would and could easily prove it in multiple ways (unless he's dead, then probably impossible).


Well there you go. He's just trying to get attention to promote something he's involved in. Case closed.


Damn. I'm busted.

Well the opposite is also true as well. I think we'll be up by the season ends as long as bitcoin doesn't tank during the season and then it has a long way to climb back up before the halving to get back to where it is now.


I'm not sure what to go with but I don't think I'd back them to win. Maybe a draw or 1-2 to United. Haven't made my mind up yet but this could be one of those games where the gamble on going for the shock could pay off. Or not.

Oh, and thanks to buwaytress for sponsoring both the pools.

PayPal, as well as payment processors (including bitcoin based ones) have their place, especially regarding payment protection. Do you use ebay? Pretty much impossible to use it without it really, and I really wouldn't like to buy something from certain sellers without some sort of third party protection. Same goes for certain bitcoin purchases. Of course in an ideal world we wouldn't need them but sadly we do.


Think of it as an escrow service. Do most escrows work for free? Whilst Paypal fees can be a lot, I'm sure bitcoin escrow fees are pretty similar, but there's always going to be a price to pay for the security they offer. I'd much rather have the security of PayPal with using a new website as I know if there's any issues I'll be able to get my money back. Of course it's that's same loophole that allows fraudsters to flourish but at least I'm not doing anything wrong and I know my money is protected in case of issues.

The main point of bitcoin is that you can be your own bank and no third party or bank account is needed. Maybe this is unnecessary for you, but for many others it's not. Some people don't or can't have a bank account and bitcoin is a solution to that. Many people are also treating bitcoin like a speculative asset as well where there's money to be made from trading or even holding it (know as hodling here), but that doesn't come without risk. If none of that interests you then bitcoin might not be for you, but I think everyone should try own a little bit of bitcoin whether it's to hold as a long-term investment or just to be a part of the revolution. What you do with it is entirely up to you though.

Anyone can join at any point during the tournament, just obviously the longer it goes on the less likely you are to win a main prize. Joining now isn't that much of a disadvantage though, especially if you have a good week or two. Getting exact scores can really boost you up the table quickly and even the better players still have weeks where they get next to zero points which happened to me quite a few times. I did pretty crap this week really apart from the one correct score and am right down the bottom for this round yet still in second place overall. There's also the consolation prizes to play for so even if it becomes likely that you're not going to win a main top 5 prize you can still always gun for a highest score from a round.

I managed to crawl back up to second place (though joint with Mbitr) with the correct scoreline on the Leicester game which only one other player went for. Sometimes the gamble pays off. Heard a lot of people were even backing Leicester to win but felt the draw was more likely. Had it been at the King Power I might have thought different.

Here will be the prizes for this pool (minus any fees if there's not enough to cover it):

Main prizes:

0.04 1st
0.03 2nd
0.02 3rd
0.01 4th
0.005 5th

Consolation prizes for highest score from a round:

0.005 1st
0.0025 2nd
0.0025 3rd
0.0025 4th
0.0025 5th

Hopefully these figures will be worth a lot more by the end of the season, which finishes a week before the halving.

What is and isn't a good poster is completely subjective, but examples of what the op thinks are bad posters would be helpful, especially in regards to the Chipmixer campaign. Can't comment on Yahoo's as I don't know what campaigns he's running but Darkstar's accepted candidates are usually among the best posters. If op wants to make a case for a poorly run campaign then he should probably expand upon the users he has in mind, otherwise this thread will go nowhere.

Well, given the current amount of reports and backlog on sig spam/unsubstantial posts and current staffs reluctance to go through them swiftly it might be a good idea. I've suggested maybe implementing some dedicated sign spam mods to clear it all up since it takes so much time. Ideally we'd have two report buttons/queues to help filter it better.

I also believe that, but only theymos can act on or enforce that, unless he gives the power to banish certain campaigns signatures to someone else. Luckily I don't think there's too many campaigns that are causing too much damage right now but there's probably a lot that are paying for mediocre posts. I don't pay that close attention to new ones and only really notice them when spam is everywhere so maybe I'm wrong.


There's probably plenty of people here who could run them decently. I'm sure some users would even accept payment in tokens, but it's a real issue when inexperienced users run them, many of whom are brand new to the forum themselves and don't know how things work here or what should be expected of them, but if we let people run them how they want then people are going to take advantage of that and be lazy in doing it. Then of course there's the campaigns that don't even have a manager to begin with and those are the ones that do the worst damage.

I had no idea Liverpool were playing Chelsea last night.


Most managers these days are ex players and it's only going to become more common now as the retirement age is probably getting younger and younger and being retired in your thirties is a pretty harsh blow, but what better job is there for them to do than being a manager. They're certainly qualified or have the experience. I think people need to stop putting too much pressure on managers and expect them to win everything. These days if you lose a couple of games in a row people start to talk about you being sacked and managers don't get chance to build their teams and win anything. Remember Fergie didn't win anything for the first few years. Pep's first managerial gig was Barcalona B team and even they are probably better than most other teams. He then wen't straight into managing Barca, and if we're being honest, you'd have to be pretty terrible to not win anything with them. If you put me in charge of Barcelona or Man City I'm pretty sure I'd win something. Too much credit is given to managers especially when they've gone straight into managing world class teams, but as I've said before, let's see how well a manager like Pep would do managing a team from the lower leagues. Go manage a team Grimbsy and get them into the Premier League then I'll call you great 

I think we should probably have some dedicated 'sig spam' mods that deal with unsubstantial posts. There's just far too much of it for current staff to deal with and it dwarfs all the more important stuff. If we have two separate report buttons/queues like I suggested then those sig spam mods could just have access to that and handle all reports on spam so it frees up current staff to deal with the urgent things. As I've mentioned before I think we should also look at charging campaigns a fee to operate here or alt coins can pay a fee to have their own sub board and that money could be used to pay the sig spam mods as I don't think campaigns should be allowed to advertise for free here, especially when it's them that is causing 99% of the damage to the forum in the process.


Maybe, but at the same time I don't think the forum should burn through money paying for an issue that is being caused by campaigns and they should be compensating the forum for money spent trying to clear it up. Either that or change how campaigns are allowed to operate here and the bad ones should be banished. Once they realise there's repercussions for their laziness and ineptitude they'll soon change their ways.

Well you've highlighted the issue with campaigns here. If everyone of them had a very good campaign manager running them then we'd see no spam. The problem is, it doesn't matter how many great managers we have when all it takes is one lousy campaign to can come here and do nothing and they immediately dwarf all the other good campaigns by accepting everyone and everyone. It's obviously not in their interests to select good participants, but just to get as much bang for their buck and unfortunately spam pays for them in this regard because the more people posting baring their signature equals more exposure they get and that's all they want at the end of the day. All we need to do is put some restrictions on how campaigns can operate here and we certainly shouldn't be tolerating those campaigns that are doing most of the damage.

The reports are all on one page. There's just thousands of them right now and the ones on unsubstantial posts dwarf everything else.


I wouldn't really look at as or call them 'soft bad'. Most of the time they're just left in the queue because no mod had decided to get involved for whatever reason. If they were truly a bad report then they'd likely be marked as so.


If reporting makes you anxious I'd probably find something else to do. You can usually work out what sort of stuff to bother reporting or not by how they're handled by a mod (if they are at all). If certain hings aren't getting handled then it's up to you whether you continue reporting them or not, but giving feedback on every report we don't handle would be a nightmare and take far more time than handling the report in the first place.

You discuss the topics in the relevant sections regardless of whether someone has dubbed them 'spam sections' or not, but we can't stop people calling them what they like and people are allowed to have an opinion on that. Most sections are filled with spam to be honest, but some are abused more than others, but nobody is saying all posts in those subs are spam, it's just for every substantial thread it will be swamped by dozens of unsubstantial ones. Until there's repercussions on how signature campaigns can operate here then nothing much will change and people will continue to spam if they can get paid for it.

Put them in in advance just so they're there and you don't forget, but as long as you don't lock them you can change them anytime up until kick off. That's what I normally do. Wait for any news during the week or the line-ups to be announced before you commit to anything. I normally like to see what various other pundits and predictors are saying to see if my picks are along the same lines. I usually stick to my own guns but sometimes I may tweak them if everyone else is thinking something different. Swings and roundabouts though. Sometimes you change them and they come in and sometimes the changes cost you points. Some people don't have time to put to much too thought into it or even forget to put their picks in at all and to those I would suggest putting your scores in for the month's games at least and change them if you want when you have time. You can even put the entire seasons picks in now if you wanted. That's one good thing about the superbru site. I wouldn't recommend it but it's better than not putting anything in or for those that are going on holiday or afk or whatever.

Over time they likely will and it's not been that long in Zepher's case, but there's also the debate of should feedback from trusted users be excluded because they're no longer active or have died? Imagine if you have a lot of feedback from users who have left the forum for whatever reasons. You could go from being pretty trusted to having little no feedback. You could make the argument that any active member would continue to get feedback from others but not always, especially if you don't do that many trades as you used to and that's why admin intervention may be better in certain cases to remove a specific feedback that's causing an issue, but maybe theymos still doesn't want to get involved in that.


Maybe make the DT2 one with a longer duration. 30 days is ok for DT1 but 30 days for DT2 would seem a little short in my opinion. It's probably not that uncommon for less active users to leave the forum for a month or so.

Sure is. I think I started off at the top last season then ended up pretty far down the table by the end of it. I did win one of the other pools before that though.


I know, but these are all reasons why it was a bad idea taking the job. Failure with Chelsea won't ruin his career (unless he maybe gets them relegated or something), but as I said, he should have got some experience elsewhere and maybe proved himself with by doing great things with those teams. I mean, sticking around with Derby and getting them promoted would have been a huge achievement. You never know, they could have gone on to do well in the Premier League which would have further bolster his reputation. Or maybe they'd go straight back down and make it worse  .