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1881  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do not gamble with Loan Money~otherwise you will be in danger like me on: December 03, 2023, 12:21:40 PM
Borrowing money to gamble will only cause problems for us because we know that gambling can cause us to lose a lot of money if there is no preparation and we will not be able to pay back the borrowed money. But if it is for other more important needs, it's okay if we borrow money from other people and they will also understand. But it seems like no one will want to lend their money to gamble unless they really want to take advantage of the person borrowing the money. After all, we will never know when we will win but there is a possibility that we will only experience defeat and that could cause us to lose all the money.
in this scenario, we just imagine gambling like a nightlife filled with fun.
well, in this scenario we are talking about several examples when someone borrows money from a friend in a small amount just to go have fun, of course someone who wants to give a loan will not want to lend the money just to have fun even though it is something that is not important and of course money lost to pay for pleasure can never be returned and this case is the same as a gambler borrowing money from a friend to gamble, which is clear that gambling is a place of fun that will not be able to return the money.

so it is only natural that a sane friend would not lend the money because it would only be used for gambling and I myself would not lend my money to friend who would use it for gambling, that would be the same as misleading a friend.
1882  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why the rich win gambling more than the poor. on: December 03, 2023, 10:37:15 AM
Because of the difference on bankroll. Rich people have a huge bankroll that gives them freedom to increase bet or play more until they win huge amount while poor has only limited bankroll which they will stop immediately once they lose enough.


That's a valid point, the size of your bankroll has a huge part to play in contributing to he success of a gambler but on the other hand has its disadvantages too. Having a high bankroll also means you have more risk to manage, alongside having a huge and high bankroll you'll also need to have a good funds and risk management skill, else you'll loose more than you could've ever imagined.
something that is excessive or big is usually riskier, not just the money you have, even in gambling there is the same risk when a slot game has high volatility with a maxwin above 20,000x usually there is a big risk of losing large amounts of money to chase the maxwin while slot games with medium volatility have a maxwin of 5000x, it will be a little easier to get it and another example in sports betting is by choosing to bet on a parlay bet with total odds @1000, the risk is very big because you have to win all the matches you choose, whereas in sports there are always surprises and compared to smaller single bets, choosing to bet on 1 match with odds @1.5 will be easier to win.

example above that I mentioned answers your concerns about rich people who have a lot of money also having big risks just like these bets and actually winning cannot be measured by how much money you have but how lucky you are today.
1883  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 03, 2023, 09:02:10 AM
This is two consecutive wins for Milan and they did it with a fairly landslide score of 3-1 against Frosinone. Previously, Milan had faded and often lost opportunities to win in the last few matches, but since last week they have managed to win against Fiorentina, which has also increased the team's motivation.

The results were visible in this match and Luka Jovic opened Milan's lead in this match before it was finally closed by goals from Pulisic and Tomori. It's been a long time since I saw Luka Jovic perform and finally he provided something when the team needed his services. Milan managed to stay in 3rd place in the standings and continues to widen the distance from Napoli. Meanwhile, Frosinone is still in the middle of the table with 2 wins from the 5 matches they have played.

AC Milan players were devastated after their Champions League defeat to Dortmund. Olivier Giroud is still suspended in Serie A. Even though the squad is chaotic, AC Milan, with a home yard advantage, is still the superior team in the match. Goalkeeper Mike Maignan provided an excellent assist. Pulisic, after catching Maignan's pass, had an impressive solo run, and in the end, he beat goalkeeper Turati by turning and finishing with his right foot. I don't think Mike Maignan has the ability to deliver such an accurate long pass. It was great that his assist put the ball right at Pulisic's feet. I was surprised by this goal. Milan is still 4 points behind top team Juventus. They need to try harder.
even though Milan got 2 wins in a row I still think that this team position is not yet safe because Milan has a slightly unstable consistency coupled with the problem of Giroud suspension even though he is a mainstay player in Milan and on the one hand Napoli are right below him even though they have a difference of 5 points but after his arrival It is rumored that Napoli new coach will appear strong again.

but its not too difficult for Milan. what the team needs now is just a little consistency and getting another win to give them a little more points than Napoli so that Milan position is more secure.
1884  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have you ever been a gambling addict? on: December 03, 2023, 08:25:14 AM
It all starts gradually and with time you will see yourself doing it more often by your own especially if you start having some little winnings then you start to get attracted and deep into it if you can't control your emotions. Nobody plans to be addicted to certain things or it is not always intentional but lack of control of your excesses lead you deeper. So it depends on what you want, keep getting the entertainment and don't risk more than what you have and enjoy your game.
someone who experiences the first signs of addiction will never be able to feel it because it happens accidentally with something done carelessly starting from ignoring very important small things such as gambling responsibly or gambling just for fun and those who ignore this is sometimes often chasing defeat or experiencing greed and that when the first signs will appear but are not realized and usually the first signs of addiction are as follows:
*always curious about certain games.
*always thinking about that game.
*have feelings of wanting to gamble again.
*all desires to gamble until carried away by dreams.


that what I felt before and that is an early sign that a gambler is addicted and immediately stop or leave gambling for a few weeks and switch to other fun things before becoming more addicted.
1885  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can you make gambling a profession - a full time job on: December 03, 2023, 08:04:00 AM
If you are going and trying to make a living in gambling you should have something to back up you and you should be financially stable you just want this out of passion and you want to crack the code because of the challenges involved, it's emotionally draining and there's a possibility that it will leave you with an empty pocket, you also have to draw the line when you should stop, even if you have a mental stability your pocket could not keep up.
exactly, because there are so many temptations in gambling that gamblers will be tempted and lose control of emptying their pockets even though they already have a strong responsibility to gamble and can commit to the rules that have been made, usually they will occasionally be tempted by the bad things that exist in gambling.
so for gamblers who want to make gambling a profession to earn a living, there will be many obstacles that must be overcome because if they once make a mistake that violates their own rules, the gambler will definitely lose control and fail to make a profit.


btw, I am just surprised by people who think that gamblers want to use gambling as a place to earn daily income, whereas in general gambling is not a place to seek profit but luck and I also think why not make your own gambling machine instead of gambling with uncertain results.
maybe they think that it requires a lot of capital to make their own gambling machine, but I remember in this thread the initial sheet, someone said that a gambler tried to make a simple slot machine and placed it in a shopping center to get certain results and it did not require very large capital.
1886  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamble Responsibly on: December 03, 2023, 07:32:54 AM
Don't know why people who are so serious and responsible in real life but when it comes to gambling they will not behave the same and even the most responsible ones will look like the most irresponsible ones  Shocked

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its just about the financial situation. I mean we might in real life be the most responsible person and be recognized by other people that our responsibility is very big but the situation is different with gambling when in real life we are responsible for different things but in gambling we bet using money and money is everything to anyone and no one wants to lose any amount of money and someone who is involved in "money" will definitely become complicated like in gambling where initially someone bets with a budget of $10 after winning gets $20 and automatically his mind will become greedy after he seeing his $10 money become $30, anyone will be tempted and continue betting and end up losing, after that he regrets it and wants to catch up on his losses because he previously saw his $30 money become $0, then he deposits again to catch up on his losses.

well, that a simple example, for sure if something involves money it will definitely be complicated, even in the real world, families can be destroyed just because money can even make people enemies.
1887  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: December 03, 2023, 06:43:41 AM
Yes a successful gambler is fully addicted with gambling because gambling need experience to be perfect in it. Nothing us perfect practice and experience helps you to do good in it. No on can't bring success in one day practice and dedication helps you to be an successful gambler. That practice and dedication end of the day creat addection. Thats the reason a successful gambler is fully addicted with gambling.
then what about professional poker gamblers?
you can find out from search engines seeing successful poker gamblers who become rich because they are not addicted but they only bet on big tournaments with very big prizes and can get rich from these big tournaments and if you associate the experience with addiction it seems like something is unfair because experience does not have to be addictive because poker gamblers dont have to be addicted. If they want to gain experience, they only need skill and independent practice using cards at home without involving money.
so with your statement I dont agree because experience does not have to be an addict.
1888  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is this a good advice? on: December 03, 2023, 05:57:13 AM
I'm sure I think the number of your losses if calculated will be greater than the winnings you get and you should be aware of that. The more you try the closer you get to the addiction zone, so any limits are important here, and you can get better if you can come to the realization that gambling is not a place to put your hopes.
limiting yourself to your gambling budget and also limiting the number of bets is very important. on the one hand, without limiting yourself, we won't be able to rely on anyone to help limit anything in gambling. I mean it would be better before someone gets the bad effects of gambling to limit things that can lead to addiction like you said and what I just mentioned.
always keep in mind that the way gambling works is to play games that entertain yourself, not to earn money or whatever. In this way, for me, it will help a gambler not put too much hope in gambling.
but unfortunately they ignore something small when things like this will really help and if not they will just get addicted without realizing that they are addicted.
1889  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What I've learned so far as a gambler on: December 03, 2023, 05:46:02 AM
The gambler who can control themselves in the gambling after getting addicted in the gambling will not affect the society in any way.Because they can control their own addiction itself using their self control tactics to the gambling play.The gambling addict will destroy their own future by doing some crime activities to get the funds for the gambling.So the gambling addicted person will be jailed and loss of their own life.The gambling addict also affect the peace of their family members because of their addiction.So the gamblers should understand the fact gambling is for entertainment.
this is the bad impact of a gambler who has the wrong mindset towards gambling which should be considered as entertainment to try his luck when he only has money left, but gamblers who have a negative mindset regarding gambling as a place to double their money will definitely experience initial addiction or even very severe addiction. it even harms people around them or their own families and there are lots of crimes that I have seen recently in the media, some young people steal money just to pay off their debts because they previously had a loan somewhere to play slots.
In this case, gamblers should be aware and really understand cases like this and not ignore them because even though this is only a small scenario, it is very important for their mental health to avoid addiction.

maybe there are also gambling addicts who have truly recovered and are no longer addicted but still gamble with very high commitment and consistency because they have had very bad experiences and these experiences provide very valuable lessons for gambling healthily.
1890  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Reckless gambling starts after a win round. on: December 03, 2023, 05:30:32 AM

It's greed that lead the person to his winning streak, most of the time that misconception create a big risk with your finances, once you follow that desire chasing your winning streak, your apetite into gambling will increase and the bad part is when you start experiencing losing streak as you will continue to chase everything and will try to recover back your money in a quicker time frame.

The outcome most of the time will not favor your side but it will for the house that will benefit a lot.
yep, exactly. those who chase defeat or victory ignore something important the more they chase victory or defeat, they will continue to bet or persist in gambling for a long time, whereas the longer we bet, the more we lose because the house edge will beat the budget we have.

logically, that really happens, but a gambler who is controlled by greedy thoughts will forget rules like this, so it makes sense that if he continues to chase and bet, he will get more and more losing streaks until his budget runs out and he starts depositing again until addiction starts to take over his own mind.

sometimes gamblers forget how gambling works and they will just keep giving away winnings to the house.
1891  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling is not a steady income haven on: December 02, 2023, 07:15:46 PM
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The point is that you really have to be a responsible gambler, if you put very high hopes on winning that means you also have to be prepared for a losing situation, one of the things you have to do is try to understand again what gambling is along with all the possibilities that can happen and that will answer each of your betting sessions, the point is that you have to learn to be a responsible gambler.
gambling responsibly is very necessary but expecting something from gambling may not be necessary. I mean we should not expect anything from gambling, even though a gambler bets just to have fun and also hopes to win, but they only have expectations that are not excessive and they also know in advance about all the risks and know how gambling works so that they gamble responsibly will just hope for a win without expecting a large amount.

what is certain is that we always control our mindset to continue to press our minds to say that the way gambling works is to benefit the gambling owner and as a gambler we must bet appropriately.
1892  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Reckless gambling starts after a win round. on: December 02, 2023, 06:52:55 PM
Indeed, someone who gambles should not chase victory because it is difficult and they may not be able to win.
It is highly discouraged and in fact always warned that chasing wins or chasing losses will result in a person losing more money which can cause emotions to rise and a gambler to lose control which will cause the first signs of addiction to start to take over him.

and all these incidents of chasing wins or chasing losses actually happen when a gambler deposits a budget to gamble in larger amounts so that when a gambler has a large budget, psychologically his mind wants to win bigger than his budget and this is reckless behavior carried out by gamblers using a budget which is too big.
1893  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is gambling all about luck? on: December 02, 2023, 11:11:06 AM
until this discussion, lets look at an example that is easier to understand and I often find that someone who gambles on this type of game can make a small profit even though it can only be used to buy coffee and cigarettes.

a beginner gambler wants to earn a steady income but he knows that all gambling games rely on luck and is looking for types of games that dont rely on luck and he finds the game of blackjack and before placing a bet at the blackjack table he tries to learn to understand the ways and strategies to be able to win in a row and finally tried it several times but still experienced fatigue but defeat is experience and from this experience he continued to learn and understand the strategy and tactics to use correctly and finally he was able to earn at least $100 per day and he was not a professional gambler, he just wanted to continue learning how to deepen the strategy really to be able to beat other gamblers.

with this it is very clear that not all types of gambling games rely on luck but some also rely on skill.
1894  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can you make gambling a profession - a full time job on: December 02, 2023, 10:08:20 AM
there are lots of various questions around this and I almost always say in several other questions about the same thing that gambling can be used as a daily income or as a career to make a profit and there are only 2 options:

*gamblers build their own casinos.
*gamblers bet on games skill based such as (blackjack, poker etc)

first option is not included in the category you mean and the second is quite clear and everyone here definitely knows that skill based games can really be used to earn a steady income provided you master all the strategies to always win with the cards you hold without have to wait for luck to come just for a win.

and I will answer your question not at all. for the reason that it will only waste time because I consider gambling to be a game that only fills free time to try your luck and it is better to work to get definite results.
1895  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: December 02, 2023, 10:00:33 AM
The match is over between Al Hilal and Al Nassr. The outcome of the match was honestly unexpected for me. I expected a better performance from Al Nassr. But the final score was 3–0 in favour of Al Hilal. I thought the match was going to be a lot more closer compared to this. This means Al Hilal is right now facing competition from any other team. They are ahead by quite a lot of points from every other team in the league. And right now they are reigning supreme on the league table. it is definitely going to be hard for any team to catch them now.
maybe its not just me, in fact most people speculated previously that the Al Hilal vs Al Nassr match would end in a draw because it is very clear that both teams have their own advantages, but what I can not deny is that Al Nass defense is very bad while Al Hilal has a formation a more perfect player, not only in the attack line, but also in defense which is quite strong, even Ronaldo often puts pressure on Al Hilal but the fact is that he fails and only ends up with 0 scores, which is sad.

for this time, Al Hilal has received a guarantee that they will lead the SPL until the end of the season because the points distance is too far, even Al Nassr will find it very difficult to catch up with the points difference and Al Nassr can take something important from yesterday match, namely that the attack line is very good, its just that the midfielders and defenders are not optimal and need a little change to be more perfect like Al Hilal.
1896  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 02, 2023, 08:57:59 AM
I am begining to find this season more interesting than most of the previous seasons in Lalliga,and the reason is because this season has a lot of teams who are fighting it hard for the Lalliga tittle,and also a lot of team who want to qualify for the top four spot, these are what keeps a league very lively.If you look at the English premier league,you will see teams that are fighting it very hard for the clubs in the top four position,and are making that table shake with their performances every weekend.If Lalliga can have many teams who have the strength to fight it hard with other teams just like Girona is doing this season,then the league might have been so competitive enough to drag  attention from the premier league.
La Liga is become harder than anticipated, which is excellent for the teams because every coach will generally resist the want to make any careless errors that could cause their team's performance to suffer. As a result of the new dawn and the numerous clubs' interest in competing, this season will see not just great teams but also mediocre teams competing for league position. Girona is the ideal illustration of what we're attempting to convey; they were at the top last week and are now climbed down from first because they share points with opposition in their last match.
sure, everyone will say this because the previous season we only saw competition from big teams in La Liga but this season there are ordinary teams who took advantage of the situation and succeeded in reaching the top of the standings like Girona even though they were displaced but this team is always trying to make new history in La Liga . so it is very interesting to see him and talk about coaches, of course a coach will give the best for his team to reach the highest level, but for now coaches in big teams have a very big task, they have to be able to share their team performance in different competitions to achieve prestigious titles, whereas this team must also secure its position in the domestic league.

this season might be a new history in La Liga but it could also be the same history as the previous season but I really hope that Girona can compete competitively at the top of the standings with other big teams to see something interesting.
1897  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 02, 2023, 08:21:22 AM
It's been a big win for Juventus tonight and a superb strike from Federico Gatti gave them the winning goal in the 90+4 minutes before the referee blew the final whistle that was really amazing and a very tough corner they passed through to get all three points from the home team Monza. Currently Juventus is leading in the league and it's going to be a bit difficult to pick Inter Milan to be favourite against Napoli since the hit man of the Napoli team Victor is back from injury.
Massimiliano Allegri have to thoroughly work on the squad because with what I've seen them play, they don't have all it takes to compete for long time for the scudetto this season. Juventus have decline in performance this season with their current play, it's not improving at all. Watching the highlights and dominated football from Monza, I would give credits to the losing home team because they settle and dominated both halves without an atom of facing difficulties, the only one they tend to face was winning not able to net goals against the Old Lady.
I really understand the condition of Juventus, while this team was able to perform extraordinary to reach the top of the serie A standings even with only the existing players, but this is all thanks to the coach who has a very appropriate strategy to take advantage of the situation of other big teams who focus on other competitions so that Allegri has more freedom to be able to compete in the long term in series A to defend the Scudetto title, even though at this time it is not guaranteed and can only be temporarily at the top of the standings, but we will see later whether Inzaghi team can perform consistently in 2 different competitions and that will definitely be a difficult task very heavy.

I speculate that if Juventus can be at the top of the standings, maintain their points and provide a point difference of at least 9 points, it will definitely make it difficult for Inter to catch up because Inter will face Napoli, who was a strong team last season and the return of the mainstay player has a very good advantage.
1898  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: December 02, 2023, 07:43:35 AM
Yes okay,  I can understand why winning League 1 only is still important and can be considered a good result for PSG. But that is going to mean PSG is not improving.  I am sorry to say but winning the League One title only is not improving for PSG. They will have to show good performance in the Champions League competition to prove that they are actually improving. Or they could also face better competition in the league. But let's be honest, the competition is not suddenly going to improve in the Ligue 1.  So if they actually want to show improvement, they will have to perform well in the Champions League competition.
The UEFA Champions League is the ultimate target for most of these elite teams in Europe, they don't care about any other thing except grabbing three points, exactly how everything ought to play through. Luis Enrique have an important tasks to fulfilled and winning becomes a priority for such a man placed in his position. Everything matters and no one is coming to give up other than achieving their goals mapped out for this season. Paris Saint-Germain have all it takes to win the UEFA Champions League and also winning the Ligue One which have turn out to be a regular trophy for them.
in league 1 currently I only see competitive competition in first place and runner up but the other teams have not shown strong competition in league 1 because they are busy with other competition schedules and for PSG who have the ambition to win the title in the UCL this will only be impossible because PSG is always less ready to compete with big, more experienced teams and I often say that PSG is too early to compete with Real Madrid or Man City at this time so maybe the opportunity to win the UCL title will only be something that cannot be obtained and an option that is not possible It best to just focus on the League 1 title.
1899  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 02, 2023, 07:17:00 AM
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Last week was just amazing week for me. Im just opening my bet that i made before the international break and i got really nice profit. I hope this week just also amazing week for me.  Cheesy
I kinda feel some matches are very hard to predict are the small match like sheffield vs burnley. I don't have problem with the big matches as it was so easy to predict but the small match makes me struggle to pick which was the right thing to be chosen.

BTW, the match between manchester city vs totenham and i have been picking over 2.75. Im going double chance for some small matches. I hope i will be lucky enough this week.

It's kinda safe pick for me since it's very hard to predict the small matches.
last week was your day, wasn't it? enjoy your victory and congratulations on winning with very big odds and its rare to get this extraordinary result. In fact, I often do this but in the last few weeks it always fails because of one lost match.  Roll Eyes
regarding the Man City vs Spurs match, it seems reasonable that you choose more than 2.75 because I also think that Man City will at least be able to score 3 scores and maybe Spurs 1 or 1 score.
betting on big teams will indeed be very easy to predict the chances of winning, but in small team matches there are always surprises that are very difficult to predict sometimes I dont include small teams on my multi bet slip.



today there will also be several matches that are worth including in the betting slip such as Arsenal vs Wolves and the victory already shows that Arsenal will not waste this opportunity to steal 3 points from Wolves and maintain their position.
and what is interesting is the match between the big team Newcastle vs Man United with very big odds for these two teams and choosing for both teams to score seems more comfortable.
1900  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 02, 2023, 05:03:56 AM
Kroos played a great role in the win against Napoli, although Bellingham and Nico Paz were the stars. I can't stop praising Bellingham, he was extraordinary. When Joselu was unlucky he was able to score a goal. Although in the end Joselu scored a goal. Apart from that, Nico Pas also performed well, scoring a hard kick from quite a distance. A great win and this ensures Madrid progress to the knockout phase.
this is proof that Real Madrid currently has players who are quite perfect and there is no shortage of players who play an important role in achieving their goal of getting the UCL title and talking about important role players I think almost all Madrid players play an important role for Ancelotti such as Rodrygo and also Joselu who currently this can help Bellingham to score in every match in this UCL and also other defenders who can be relied on to continue Real Madrid journey to the next round.

so I am not too worried, even though there are lots of rumors that Madrid will bring in a striker player, whoever it is, what is certain is that without a striker, Real Madrid is still performing very well and looks very consistent to be able to regain the UCL title and in the next match it will be a fairly easy match for Madrid to win determined that this team really deserved to qualify for the next round after beating Union Berlin.
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