We are not an Australian firm and we are not regulated in that country. As for Mom and Pop, that's what Bitcoin is.
not for long buddy.
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I'm considering creating a "bitcoin" user on my machine, so that no troyan could read my wallet or send any bitcoins without knowing the bitcoin user's password.
Would that solve the troyan problem?
If you install programs as root, then they will be able to do anything. Even if you encrypt the home folder of your account, a program installed as root can do any keylogging it likes and will be able to see the decrypted files when you are using this user's account. The best solution would be to have an entirely separate computer dedicated to bitcoin on which you install only the basic software you need to run bitcoin, downloaded from trusted sources. To protect against trojans which are not too sophisticated, running a VM seems like a reasonable solution. If the VM storage file is encrypted, that's even better. See truecrypt for that. i use a Macbook pro with VMWare Fusion and Win 7. my client is on the Win 7. is this what u mean by a reasonable solution?
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NEVER HAVE YOUR ETHERNET CABLE PLUGGED INTO YOUR COMPUTER
How are you supposed to download the block chain and use your coins without an internet connection? I think so far the safest approach is the use of a savings account to most of your coins in a wallet you just access like once a year and even. Limits the possibility of exposure to wallet leaks by a lot. Of course it is also recommended to have a pen drive with a Linux live cd distro on it and the Bitcoin client installed. I wonder if an angry firewall blocking all outgoing communications but the Bitcoin port would help. do u have to backup a savings wallet from time to time if ur not using it? i would guess not but i'm so paranoid now i have to ask? also do u know of a trusted USB version of the client?
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What would be the most secure way to use bitcoin, or a way which is reasonably secure without becoming too inconvenient. A bitcoin bank. creighto, i pay attention to everything u write b/c your thoughts are sound. but how can u advocate a bitcoin bank it being a centralized big fat juicy target for the Feds? ppl don't store their gold at banks but instead at home in the safe therefore the Feds can't/won't do anything about that. but a bitcoin bank would be too irresistible for the banksters/gov't to raid.
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I'm a commodities trader. I have both purchased and sold. I am not a Gold or Silver bug but I do own some of both. I can tell you that there is NO one looking at investing in stocks, bonds, or real estate right now. That only really leaves Bitcoin and commodities. And it's gonna get a LOT worse if QE3 doesn't happen, the jobs numbers today just killed any interest people had in stocks. I'm looking at buying AMD options since they are almost certainly gonna post a gain this year.
Believe me when I say I have no doubt in my mind that silver will hit $100 before our next president is elected.
Raize, i've kept 1 bag of silver and all my gold bullion and probably won't ever sell those. but i do worry greatly about parabolas and we can agree to disagree about silver. i think that parabola is busted. sentiment levels were like 99% at the top and usually that means only one subsequent direction, the opposite one.
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Question, does this equal a continued BTC inflation express?
Answer, yes. One of the most compelling aspects of bitcoin is that it appeals to the dark, smoldering fury the educated and aware person feels when he sees the banking class hurt his relatives, children, and friends. It's not funny and bitcoin gives the good people of this world a chance to fight back. having 3 young boys, my sentiments exactly.
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I too have experienced the "pain" of slow wiretransfers.
But think of this:
"What if it went the other way?"
Say the price decreased while your money were held up, the you would not complain, would you?
Things like these happens, and it happens to us all. In the long run it all evens out though.
Still, I can feel your frustration.
yes, thats the system. u learn to live with it. remember its just him alone, MagTux. just think, all the ppl trying to get in behind will have the same problems. it won't matter b/c btc is going into the thousands.
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Potential gains BTC vs Silver...
(IMO Silver is the better choice out of the precious metals because of its price, dual usage as a PM and industrial, and lastly growth potential compared to palladium, gold, platinum).
Which is the better speculative and which is the better investment? Silver vs BTC?
i know i sound like a broken record around here but i just sold several bags of junk silver over the last month near/at the top in exchange for btc. bought them in 2005 too. btc has much better appreciation potential. in fact, the ultimate voice of the silver bull, Max Keiser, is turning toward btc. see the jon matonis interview.
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Issuing the new shares at this early stage was a mistake. I regret the error, and have told Nefario to remove 900 (750 + 150) shares from my account (so those who have bought the new shares will still have them.)
On a brighter note, Ubitex Music now has several artists and is on track to launch sometime this month.
Thank you Cuddlefish, you made the right choice. Please update the Finance Sheet as well. If the share cancellation goes thru as stated, i can say w/o reservation that my confidence has been restored.
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I don't think any reputation based system will be sufficient to create a real economy. I would like to set up a BitCoin investment bank that has this type of functionality. I've thought about a lot of the things you would need in place in order to do this. People deposit their bitcoins with my site and earn interest (in bitcoins). I take these and lend them out to speculators hoping to profit on the fall in the bitcoin-USD exchange rate. They pay a slightly higher interest rate to borrow the bitcoins as I pay to the lenders who deposited them with me. The difference is the bank's profit and goes to the reserve so I can cover short term swings in deposits and withdrawals.
Person A deposits 100 BTC at an interest rate of 6% per year on June 1st. One month later their bank account has 100.5 BTC.
Person B borrows those 100 BTC at the rate of 8% per year on the same day. They immediately sell those bitcoins on the market for USD. They will owe interest of .6667% per month. If they cover their short in a month they need to return 100.6667 BTC.
Person A profits .5 BTCs, and they are free to cash out at any time so they lose no flexibility. They gain in purchasing power if bitcoins increase in value, and conversely lose purchasing power if they decrease.
Person B has to pay .6667 BTC in interest for the loan, so he profits if he is able to buy 100.6667 BTC for less than he originally sold the 100 BTC for.
That's all there really is to a short sale. You need people who want to deposit bitcoins with a third party (my bank) in exchange for interest. And then I take these bitcoins and lend them out to people who expect to profit from their decline in value relative to the dollar. The two major concerns:
When I lend out your bitcoins I no longer have those exact coins. But bitcoins are fungible, so if you want to withdraw it doesn't matter if I give you your exact coins back, the coins of another depositor, or my own coins in reserve. I need enough depositors to keep the market liquid, and enough of my own bitcoins in a reserve account to cover deposits and withdrawals. Keeping 10% of the amount on deposit should be sufficient, as I will require anyone who borrows bitcoins to keep cash deposited at the bank to cover all the bitcoins they borrow. So I have people depositing both bitcoins and cash. When I have lots of cash reserves and little bitcoin reserves I use the cash to buy more bitcoins, and vice versa.
The second problem is what is to stop the speculator from borrowing the bitcoins, selling them for cash, and disappearing without repaying the loan? The only way I can see to do this is to require them to deposit cash in excess of the bitcoins they deposited. Let's say they borrow 100 BTC, worth $1000 today. I could require them to deposit $1200 with me until they repay the bitcoins. Furthermore, they would need to maintain a cash balance in their account with my bank of at least 10% more than the current exchange rate. This excess would be required because when the value of bitcoins rises, let's say to $13, now they owe $1300 worth of bitcoins and only have $1200 in their account with my bank. This brings us back to the original problem of what if they just decide to disappear, now owing more than they deposited? This is why we would require them to maintain a cash balance of 10% over the amount of their loan at all times.
In my above example they deposited $1200 and owe 100 bitcoins. If bitcoins rise to $11 each and they did not deposit any more money to cover this they now owe effectively $1100 ($11 x 100) and have a required balance of $1210 ($1100 x 110%). Since they failed to cover this required balance I take their $1200 balance and buy back on the market place 100 bitcoins for $1100 to cover their short position for them. They now have $100 in their account and owe nothing.
I think these restrictions address most of the problems with the theory on how this will operate. I just need to know how to get the software in place to manage these types of transactions and get accounts with payment processors to allow people to get money in and out. Any suggestions for this or any ideas about things I have overlooked would be appreciated.
nice in theory but almost impossible to implement. if the price of btc rises to the pt of consuming their reserve you will be faced with a dilemma; sell it right now so i take no losses or do i just wait a bit until it comes back down? you won't be able to keep calling up the short seller and asking for more reserves esp. those that will refuse to do so. and the way btc has been spurting up in price at key levels you will be caught trying to buy btc back at a higher price than break even. and this scenario will happen daily if you ever were to get enough customers. the problem is you have no recourse to find and prosecute the short seller in a court of law. you fail to see that with a nefarious short seller who refuses to post timely margin reserves, the risk then becomes yours, not his.
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hur dur. I'm one person. Many many many people are probably interested in shorting bitcoin. These are people willing to bet against us meaning we make EVEN MORE money when it turns out they are wrong.
Bitcoin trading will not be taken seriously until shorting is implemented.
how naive. have u noticed the amount of money flowing into btc lately? there's plenty of trading going on. and shorts would have been killed. btw, i'm a short seller over in the real stock mkt and u have to have a large capable intermediary which isn't mtgox.
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ur not looking at a Tranaction page per se. ur looking a an Address page listing a ledger of the transactions this address has engaged in in the past.
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It is certainly going to be painful for a lot of people, and many people will claim that bitcoin is a bad thing because it brings chaos.
Finally they can start doing something useful. Hopefully satoshi will have more brilliant ideas and we won't need tax accountants any more. And less politicians. Some more mostly reactive jobs jump to my mind... Arrgh, everybody will become a nerd. =) more like everyone will need a nerd.
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so what do we do to get these loaded up?
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WE DON'T CARE
can there be a sticky of some sort about stuff like this or at least move all such posts to the econ board where they seem to enjoy the Sisyphean task of explaining the same econ101 points to noobs over and over again?
There might be interesting, subtle, shortcomings to bitcoin. Deflation isn't one of them.
you're exactly right. and thats assuming Bitcoin is a deflationary currency, which its NOT! it's a STABLE currency which will in time equilibrate in value (hopefully over a $1000) and then provide extreme and heretofore unknown economic stability for the people of the world. forget the banksters.
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You get only few minutes to complete registration/authentication and then your request is discarded. Try again
i put in the everify command immediately as u can see. should it be eauth or something else? i'm on Win7 now.
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So I had a trial at StratoGen for their cloud hosting. I was tinkering with it and thought I'd load up bitcoinplus.com on it. Well I got this email this morning: Dear xxxxx, Our technical team noticed some unusual behaviour coming from your trial such as maxing out CPUs contently, and odd traffic profiles under further investigation. We found the severs to be running virtual money software which has linked with money laundering. We therefore we deem your usages to be in breach of our AUP and have suspended you trial. xxxxx xxxxx Technical Director StratoGen :: Hosting for Business T: 0845 544 0465 M: 0773 606 2097 E: xxxxx@stratogen.net:: http://www.stratogen.net Replied with: Yes, I've run some hashing programs on there to determine CPU processing power. It's actually completely legal though ( http://bitcoin.org/). I'd suggest you look into it rather than just accusing me of illegal activities. The CPU's were maxed for a while but I've got no idea what you mean by odd traffic profiles. Aside from using nearly 100% CPU for a few days, I've done absolutely nothing wrong and nothing that'd be against your AUP or TOS. And then received this: Dear xxxx, The account was suspended because our engineers saw the bitcoin application running which is considered a highly suspicious, offers no real benchmarking capability and is seen as a tool to utilise CPU to generate virtual currency which can be currency exchanged into legitimate currency. The Bitcoin project is currently under investigation from many governments including UK serious fraud office. Several other similar projects have been closed down in recent years for money laundering offences. Please can you give us a little more information about your company including company telephone and email addresses as the platform has been designed as an enterprise hosting environment and therefore is best suited to this, we need to ensure the service we offer is best suited to your requirements. Kind regards xxxx xxxxx Technical Director StratoGen :: Hosting for Business T: 0845 544 0465 M: 0773 606 2097 E: xxxxxx@stratogen.net:: http://www.stratogen.net Thought you guys would get a chuckle out of this. I do own a legit hosting business and was looking into cloud hosting from stratogen. Oh well. replied: It's fine. I do own a hosting company that's hosted in Atlanta, Georgia. I'm not a huge company yet but I do have a few racks. Honestly, I don't really care much about StratoGen. Cool service but I'm not impressed by how you manage clients. I would have preferred you email me to discuss the high CPU rather than suspending it. God knows what would have happened had I tested a file hosting site that used up 1Tb of information per day. I'm sure that would have been seen as illegal file sharing and your "Unlimited Internet Bandwidth" would have meant nothing.
I'm astonished that you closed the account simply because of high CPU usage. Especially since first you accused me of money laundering and now "The Bitcoin project is currently under investigation from many governments including UK serious fraud office."
I've learned everything I need to know about about your company in these few days.
Thanks, xxxx whats with their horrible English?
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The same way you would with any other person. Alternatively, when you are connected to Freenode, you can type Please also read http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authenticationWhat I described here is just the authentication part of the process. You will need to install gpg, create a key pair and then register with gribble before you can authenticate and trade on #bitcoin-otc. For details and help you can ask on the channel - the guys there are very helpful what am i doing wrong? [11:56] <cypherdoc> ;;gpg register cypherdoc FAE7765F1169B429 hkp://keys.gnupg.net [11:56] <gribble> Request successful for user cypherdoc, hostmask cypherdoc!62adcdc4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.173.205.196. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:65e4c5971a889c7b258943c1a56a790adfa6bef261445ae6eb25116b [11:56] <cypherdoc> ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:65e4c5971a889c7b258943c1a56a790adfa6bef261445ae6eb25116b [11:57] <gribble> Error: No outstanding encryption-based request found. [12:00] <cypherdoc> ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:65e4c5971a889c7b258943c1a56a790adfa6bef261445ae6eb25116b [12:00] <gribble> Error: No outstanding encryption-based request found. [12:00] <cypherdoc> ;;gpg -verify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:65e4c5971a889c7b258943c1a56a790adfa6bef261445ae6eb25116b [12:01] <gribble> Error: 'freenode:#bitcoin-otc:65e4c5971a889c7b258943c1a56a790adfa6bef261445ae6eb25116b' is not a valid http url.
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Man, the way it works is if I ask a question about commands, you copy and paste exactly what was typed and what messages returned. If there is sensitive information just put *** instead. Otherwise we'll be here all day. It is very simple. You go to the #bitcoin-otc and start a chat with gribble. Then you type: Then you copy the link that gribble provides and paste it into your browser. Once the page opens, you copy everything. Then you open command line and type and press enter. Once the cursor is on the new line you paste what you copied from the page. At this point you may be prompted for password. Next you press Control-D to terminate input if on linux/mac. If on windows, press Enter, Control-Z, Enter to terminate input. It will spit out a line like this: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:5588cea3blahblahblah7e35e5d22e97080ee Copy it and go to your conversation with gribble. Type ;;gpg everify paste_the_line_you_copied. Should look something like this ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:5588cea3blahblahblah7e35e5d22e97080ee And that's it. Be warned that there is time limit to preform authentication. If it takes you too long, the request will timeout and you'll have to do the whole thing again. To get email associated with a public key you can go browse servers if it's uploaded there or you can import key and then do a long listing of keys What OS are you running? i need to setup an acct over there too. how do i "start a chat with gribble"? do i do it from inside the #bitcoin-OTC channel where everyone's talking?
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This worked for me in a similar situation now, but I couldn't see any pointer to an updated list of IP addresses to use with the --addnode command. I found this list, and guess it would be the right list to use: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Fallback_Nodesyes that is the correct list
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