Bitcoin has risen to where it is now precisely because of me imposing this here correct attitude against the inception to early 2012 prevailing mistaken attitude of noobish idiocy that you seem to favor. BTC wallowed around 10 per as long as the Global Scam Exchange folk were the prevailing crowd. This was not a coincidence.

The mere fact that you have the unmitigated gall to presume you know the history when you don't, and the boneheaded cluelessness to then use completely wrong "arguments" built on this resounding, absolute ignorance when confronted by the very people who wrote that history is one of those "only on the Internet" sorts of things. At the very least don't add hypocrisy to insult by prefacing that nonsense with "due respect". There's no respect there, in spite of plenty of respect being due. Claiming otherwise is not helping you.

Also don't misrepresent what I say. It's not a matter of "everything", it's a matter of noob ventures without a chance in Hell. Those aren't "everything" by any means.

Plus parents everywhere.

For the record, the classical definition of civil responsibility includes promise to perform and detrimental reliance. Both, not just one. I notice the forum does tend to favor a "one's enough" outlook, but the reasons things worked out that way in the real world are solid and haven't changed just because Bitcoin, just because internet forum or just because self entitled posters.

On one hand on the 21st of May people are sure that an Ebay listing is fraudulent on the grounds that the poster claims to have a BFL on hand (which I agree, is about on par with claiming to have a unicorn in your garage).

On the other hand the 1st of May idiots insist and are certain that the BFL delivers bet should have been resolved as a yes.

Decentralization ftw! 

Hey, it worked for the other diary guy....

Yes.

The thing is, the way BitBet is set up once a bet is marked to close early this doesn't become effective until the blockchain watcher has seen one new block. It's not immediate.

Obviously qt might malfunction. The solution there is to use better Bitcoin clients.

New people have no business starting "funds". Not now, not ever.

This is a high trust, high competence field. Only people who have been involved in Bitcoin for a long time and with credible results may do this. Anyone else trying to do this 1. won't get anywhere; 2. is a scammer anyway. Whether they plan to or not they're a scammer, it makes no difference. They'll just have a more or less planned out scam, but it will be a scam.

And before you start with the "I've been involved since 2005" Tortilla stuff: no, you haven't. You're not involved now. To be involved you have to actually do something. People using the word "Bitcoin" in conversation aren't involved in Bitcoin, they're involved in conversing.

That's what I have this for.  Sorry to hear.


No need, you're exactly right.

Pretty hard to argue with that one.

I take it back. The inclusion of Mr blablabla on that list was a rash and inconsiderate move on my part.


Seems it has about the same chances as paypal's coin or w/e.

A lot more reading is probably the only good advice.

Nanotube, if you can get him. He correctly handled a hotly contested 10k BTC bet (the old pirate thing). That's your prime rib.

Well with the old scamschool running abeach what with the twin MtGox/BFL failures, he needs something new.

In general you can tell which projects are scams by who promotes them. See any goat/rosenfeld/kenna/katz/gmaxwell/lukejr/blablabla behind it...run.

Pix.

I'll save my uncharitable remark for a week after you fail, rather than three weeks before.

You know that's exactly the dumbass sort of question that proves my point for me. Shut up and go on a reading binge until you know who I am.


Sounds like this is exactly the proof of concept TF was displaying.

That's exactly that I'm saying: that they're programmers. And also idiots. And also early Bitcoin users, who have been pushed out for their idiocy and are now looking for something small enough so they can continue stroking their idiocy rather than fix it. The good news is that indeed MP doesn't give a shit about Ripple, so you may continue the tardparty. Learn to read between the lines.


Thus BitstampBTC and TradeFortressBTC Mr Clueless Programmer guy sir. Why is this so hard? Is it because you're trying to do finance stuff in BTC without having even heard of mystical magical stuff like say *the eurodollar*? Why do you think it's called EUROdollar (and if you go wikipedia that shit I'm going to punch you in the balls through the fucking monitor).

Stop imagining that if you can code you're worth two shits in the real world. Most of the time the reason you're a programmer IS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT WORTH TWO SHITS IN THE REAL WORLD. Strictly. Strictly that.

Sure, some very talented people are programmers because that's what they chose for themselves. You're NOT THAT. You're the guy who wasn't good enough to sling dope.

There is such a platform already, Mr Excited Noob Guy. It's called MPEx, it's been around since 2011, it's run by very skilled people with loads of money and so forth.

More lurking is in order. You can start here.

And that's pretty much exactly what it'd be worth.

Again and again this has to be repeated: it's not the site, stupid. Go make a facebook for free, it's not that hard and it won't matter any more than the previous Winkleloss-backed project mattered.

No idea why this is so hard, but anyway.

The result of taking nitpicking lawyering seriously is 8000 pages of legislation nobody reads, introduced blank into Congress (and voted as such).

If you think the BitBet model such as it is is worse than that - fine. As far as can be discerned it's only worse to the people who want to con others by relying on ridiculous interpretations that magically make their one in a hundred crapshot worth a lot.

I have never before read words written by someone who's experienced painful death. Glad you're feel better now!


I would wager this is a step down the right path. It's not merely novice though, it's novices with a particular sort of can-do, master-of-destiny attitude (the sort common to IT geeks, for instance).