It's the fiat.  Always has been with him.  The more he can do to distract from his blatant theft of satoshi's mantle, the larger the number of people he can potentially dupe into buying his shitty forkcoin.  When the price spikes sufficiently, he'll sell his presumably large stash for fiat.  Classic long-con.

Think of it this way.  That is a calculated statement for a compulsive liar to come out with.  It is intentionally designed to alter peoples' perceptions of him:

• It makes him sound altruistic and caring, instead of the greedy and detached Faketoshi we have come to know and despise.
• It paints him as a victim of deception, instead of the lying, manipulative, habitual storyteller who is making it up as they go along.
• It attempts to give the impression that he is some sort of "beacon of hope" for people with neurological divergence.
• It could cause the uninformed to take pity on him if they see him as the underdog, instead of the usurper.
• It is scant on detail and deliberately avoids raising any points that can be easily proven or disproven.
• It reinforces the absolute lie that he created Bitcoin.

I'm not buying it.  It's just more lies from a determined con-man.

Maybe the AIs will evolve to the point where they generate a more stimulating conversation than traditional spammers.  Could you imagine how much it must sting if you're an actual person trying to earn merit and a damn script comes along that manages to earn more because it makes more sense than you do.   

But there are some economic arguments suggesting that chasing growth for the sake of growth is a pointless exercise. 

Ultimately, we have to ask which is of greater importance:
 
That some big, arbitrary number is slightly bigger than it was last year? 
Or that the economy actually serves the purpose of supporting the people and businesses within that economy?

But when it comes to things like corporate research and investment into this technology, companies naturally prefer to invest in technologies that will help them make future profits.  Not technologies that would likely disrupt their business model and jeopardise their market share.  It has to be understood that, while the impact overall will likely be significant, the pace at which the change occurs will be quite slow.  Purely because the companies that understand that crypto is antithetical to the survival of middlemen know they are the intermediaries.  Many will try to develop "blockchain" because they've heard it's the latest thing, but many will eventually realise it will bring them no benefit.  So, this change is, for a large part, reliant on voluntary contributions.

It's going to take time.  Might be too early to say with any certainty what specific impact the changes will have.

If I had to guess, they're talking about surveillance like CCTV cameras.  Because you have to physically go somewhere to spend cash, your movements could be monitored.  I guess it's a valid point in some places, where CCTV can be quite pervasive.  But I think people overestimate the potential sometimes.  Too many shows on TV where they always catch the bad guy by enhancing some blurry footage from a camera in a way that wouldn't actually be possible in the real world, heh.

I'm of a similar mindset lately.  Take it slow and steady.  For the most part, just allow people to get there on their own.  We don't need a sales pitch, just patience.  It's all about the timing.  When someone else is vocal about their dissatisfaction with traditional banking, that's where you plant the seed.  Nothing too pushy.  Just wait for that one opportune moment to casually mention to someone how much you've been enjoying the benefits of privacy and financial freedom afforded to you by Bitcoin at a time when it's going to resonate with them the most.  If they ask questions, take it from there.  If they don't respond, wait for the next moment.  

Once more people are on board, then the retailers will naturally follow.  I don't see the point in pestering companies to adopt Bitcoin at a time where they won't see a tremendous deal of traffic.  That could potentially cause more harm than good, as they may write the idea off permanently if they invest precious time in going through the learning curve and setting up payment infrastructure that people don't sufficiently use.  It has to be a grassroots thing and grow organically.  

Besides, I suspect the traditional banking system is going to give us plenty of those "opportune moments" over the course of time.  It's clearly not going to reform itself into anything remotely respectable anytime soon.  Perhaps it might yet find ways to get worse, somehow.  

And, for the topic at hand, many of the current participants of Bitcoin need to understand privacy better in order for them to be capable of correctly explaining the benefits when that moment comes.  If they are just talking about speculating and not discussing the real benefits, that's not going to help adoption either.  We need to educate the traders before we set to work on the wider public.

Except it's not crazy in the slightest.  Other countries actually went ahead and implemented similar schemes.  Just look at their neighbours to the north as an example.  Arguably, their economy is doing much better than the US as a result. 

The crazy part is where so many people equate such policies with Communism because they are so heavily indoctrinated to believe such stupid things. 

Exactly.  That's like someone trying to save face by saying they are no longer working on their perpetual motion machine.  That fact that they even tried to begin with was the stupid part.  Stopping doesn't earn them any credibility back.

Wind_FURY knows that.  Pretty sure they're just playing along and letting fiction1 dig a nice big hole for himself before opening a can of whoop-ass on him.

I'm thinking at least another 30-40 years in most places.  Humans are slow to accept change.  And if there isn't a an alternative that I approve of, I'll be personally dragging it out as long as I possibly can.  Essentially, I'll be using physical cash until a time comes where I can spend Bitcoin in all the same places I currently use national currencies.

We understand your stance.  What we don't understand is how you have a crystal ball or time machine so that you know beyond all doubt that you are correct when you are clearly prognosticating.  Your arrogance is what's baffling. While it's possible you are right, you don't seem capable of accepting you might not be right.

If it turns out you're wrong and Ira and Faketoshi aren't colluding, you'll just go quiet until the next subject you jump to a foregone conclusion on, that we're supposedly all "too stupid to understand" because we aren't convinced by your "evidence". 

Rinse, repeat.  That's franky1 shitposting 101.

Not overly surprising.  I did think it was a little too similar, heh.

But that outcome should serve as a reminder web browsers are actually a business.  They create this software to make money.  Your choice of browser is an ethical choice and, if at all possible, you should endeavour to make sure you support the businesses that respect individual freedoms.  The people who run Brave Software have made it abundantly clear in prior controversies that they won't defend the rights of individuals.  Based on that alone, I would strongly recommend people don't use Brave.

And if anyone is that concerned, rather than relying on this site, surely they can make a copy of their own and upload it somewhere for safe keeping.  More decentralised and such.

Use it any way you want, since part of the appeal of Bitcoin is the freedom it offers you.  But the point is, if you're looking solely at profitability and not the wider benefits being conferred to you, then you're missing out on all the stuff that keeps most of us engaged and interested.  

Are you familiar with the phrase "money is power"?  This is considered by many to be one of the most prominent technological breakthroughs in history, having the potential to revolutionise financial independence for millions of people worldwide.  The very existence of Bitcoin is a challenge to the conventional notion that everyone has to rely on the banking monopolies that effectively run our entire world.  There are some people out there with vested interests who would much prefer it if this didn't exist.  Because it's not only a threat to their business model, but also the way in which we've just blindly done things for centuries.  This is a dramatic shift in power from them to you and there isn't really a way for them to prevent it if people decide this is what they want.  So here we are in the formative stages of a revolution and you think it's getting boring?  Look at the bigger picture.

Then again, it doesn't surprise me that people generally aren't appreciative of what they have.  Few of us are excited by the fact that we have electricity, plumbing and a roof over our heads until we suddenly don't have it anymore and realise what we lost.  If you take things for granted, it's only natural you will get bored easily.

No it doesn't.  Once again you are just seeing what you want to see.  The key word is allege.  It's a word you should be familiar with, because that's what you do.  The court is not going to rule that those allegations are true.  They are simply recording the allegations that have been made.  That's common procedure.  The court have already said they are not going to do make a ruling on who created Bitcoin.  Stop jumping to ludicrous conclusions.  



No one cares what he claims or alleges over the IP.  The judge will not be convinced by such claims.  And even if they were, the judge has made it clear that his judgement will have no bearing on such claims.  Now either write a screenplay for a fictional drama movie, where your fantasies belong, or come up with something that might actually convince us that you aren't an even bigger nutjob than faketoshi.  

a) That's not clear at all, that's merely your (seemingly lone) interpretation and no one here is convinced by your claims
and
b) It doesn't matter what they want.  What matters is what they can prove.  They're dealing with a judge, not a genie.  They don't grant wishes.



Again, they can ask for anything, doesn't mean they're going to get it.  Ira could ask for half the coins in the genesis block, which is impossible, so why aren't you having a shit-fit about that too?  Maybe, instead of just blindly asking "what if" and letting your imagination run wild without a hint of limitation or reason, just try considering what's actually practical for once.

And, since you seem adamant that any utterance of common sense in opposition to your total lack thereof isn't permitted or justified unless there's some quoting of a legal document from the cases, I give you the following.  The courts have expressed zero interest in validating any claims that either party were responsible for Bitcoin's creation, as has already been confirmed to you by the documents you claim to have read:


For someone to interpret that as a likelihood that a judge is going to validate faketoshi's claims would suggest they aren't fond of critical thinking and have a flair for the dramatic.

Since this topic is becoming a little one-sided, has your position changed now?  It's a shame to see topics where people start the discussion and then disappear.  What are your thoughts now, considering what people have said?

This right here is your problem.  You imagine a little too much.  Then you confuse your imagination with what's actually possible in the real world. 

Just because you can imagine it, that doesn't automatically make it fact.  Seek help if you believe otherwise.  The theatre that plays out in your mind is not real.  The rest of us can't see it.  We can't form conclusions based on your fantasies.  Stop expecting that of us.

I'm going to take a deductive leap and assume that anyone talking about being bored is primarily a speculator?  Someone looking for fiat profit and having comparatively little interest in the benefits of actually using Bitcoin.  The excitement for me comes if/when Bitcoin is ubiquitous and I can spend it anywhere in exactly the same way I currently spend national currencies.  If that is to happen, it's seemingly a long way off, though.  Until then, enjoy the ride.