We just finished taping Episode 1 of "The Bitcoin Show" on OnlyOneTV.com Check it out on http://onlyonetv.com soon! (We'll have it uploaded within a couple hours from now.) Also, it's been very difficult for me to keep up with the Forum here because of the volume of activity.... And because I have been so busy with my new ventures like OnlyOneTV.... so if you want to reach me here in the forum, reply to this thread. I'll bookmark this thread and attempt to keep up with it at least once a day. Bruce, it was actually very well done and interesting. |
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Sorry, i disagree with any promotion of BTC that implies we have something to hide, ie, the "crypto" part.
Crypto isn't only for hiding things. It also makes it VERY hard to steal other peoples coins, fake coins, it's what makes Bitcoin work. It all depends on cryptology. i totally understand. in fact i love the cryptography, anonymity too, but i'm looking at it from a marketing aspect to the masses and esp. our gov't. |
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i'll go one step farther and say the words cryptography, anonymous, cryptocurrency should be avoided in all forms of advertising. OTOH, "decentralized" is a good word since its a play on the negative sentiment of "central" banking. "distributed" is ok but for the avg person is unclear. "digital currency" is great, a total play on the move to high tech money.
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Nefario, r u starting a new anonymous stock exchange like to talked about in your recent article?
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I agree about the anonimity part. Bitcoin is not even really fully anonymous anyway.
But I don't see how we could get rid of the word "cryptographic". Otherwise people will have no clue about how it works.
you'd be surprised about how many won't even care. they'll try it out a few times and if it works they'll keep using it. remember, the vast majority of the ppl don't have the capacity to understand the technology anyway. hell, i'm a highly educated successful professional and do i really know how my browser works? No. i've been a heavy internet browser since the beginning and when did i find out about or care to look for something like Tor? one month ago. am i using Tor right now? i'd like to but Firefox 4.0 won't support it so i still browse around non anonymously and to sites like this. when did i start using encrypted email for sensitive topics? 2 wks ago. believe me, the masses want easability, practicality. |
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Seems like a good motto for our favourite cryptocurrency. Here's my take on an icon with the phrase inline:  And here's the original bitcoin.svg (done in Inkscape). Consider this licensed under public domain. Mashups and improvements are welcome. Enjoy! - shazow (the stickfigure dude) Sorry, i disagree with any promotion of BTC that implies we have something to hide, ie, the "crypto" part. |
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I'd like to see a video targeted towards left-leaning people that argues from their world-view-- why the existing monetary system is unfair and benefits a rich elite at the expense of the working masses. How Bitcoin can change that and be a People-Powered money, backed not by empty promises from rich bankers but by the strength and trust of the person-to-person Bitcoin Community. How friends and neighbors using Bitcoin can keep money in local communities. How using Bitcoin lets you interact with people all over the world, promoting peace and understanding. How it is better for the environment than gold mining or trucking coins and cash to and from stores and banks.
Well, I think that's what someone called "narratives". We still need a narrative for anonymity, though. i think the anonymity part of BTC should be downplayed. sure its a symbol for the geek network as well as the illegal trade folks but won't be for the masses who are the critical part of this acceptance equation. the best way to think of how BTC will be used in the future is to study M-Pesa in Kenya and why it took off like a rocket shot. those ppl just needed an easy, inexpensive way to move money around the country w/o physically delivering it like they had been (donkey ride cross country) forced to do b/c of theft. they don't care that Safaricom/Vodafone knows their identity when sending money; they just want to get the money to family and friends. most of BTC use will be this way. actually i think the words "cryptocurrency" and "anonymous" should be downplayed in the marketing. both imply BTC users have something to hide. i for one don't and i think eventually the majority of users won't either. |
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I think the point is, if the powers that be want to shut down bitcoin, they will find an excuse to shut down bitcoin. Doesn't matter how squeaky clean we are. What we want to do is give them incentive to participate in bitcoin rather then shut it down. Above all else, Republicans don't want to die poor.
What we need are lobbyists. Maybe make campaign contributions with bitcoins somehow. Give them a vested interest in the network.
I see where the people that are afraid of a governmental shut down are coming from. If they can that is. Did Wikileaks go down? No, and yet it is a non profit group. What could they do to a whole economy then? Not to mention they'd have to track people down on Tor... or completely shut it down, which they still haven't done, given all the outstanding reasons for it. Wikileaks is a much more resilient entity than Bitcoin may be. all they're doing is disseminating info. as i see it, BTC is an entirely different matter. the point is to try an create a functioning economy based on trusted tx's worldwide using BTC as a new currency. how well is that gonna work if the Feds start shutting down every merchant good or bad b/c the currency, BTC, is getting a bad rap for being the ideal vehicle for assasinations or laundering? |
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I guess you'll have to ban my site since it have articles on agorism and stuff like that. I am willing to accept a rebuttal on the articles though.  I even have a person writing an article on bitcoin Poker. i don't know much about agorism but a quick scan of the Wiki page didn't invoke any negative sentiments on my part. this may come down to what ones goals for BTC are. if agorists want to see an underground economy based on BTC then i suppose they would support drugs and money laundering. i however would like BTC to become more mainstream and used and trusted by the average American. i would like to see BTC become a lever to force the control of USD out of the hands of the Fed and give it back to the American ppl where it belongs. so i'm not necessarily against the USD per say. i'm against hows its being manipulated by the money changer elite. i prefer order, not mad max. i prefer stable currency, not boom bust cycles. |
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I'd like to see a video targeted towards left-leaning people that argues from their world-view-- why the existing monetary system is unfair and benefits a rich elite at the expense of the working masses. How Bitcoin can change that and be a People-Powered money, backed not by empty promises from rich bankers but by the strength and trust of the person-to-person Bitcoin Community. How friends and neighbors using Bitcoin can keep money in local communities. How using Bitcoin lets you interact with people all over the world, promoting peace and understanding. How it is better for the environment than gold mining or trucking coins and cash to and from stores and banks.
Well, I think that's what someone called "narratives". We still need a narrative for anonymity, though. i think the anonymity part of BTC should be downplayed. sure its a symbol for the geek network as well as the illegal trade folks but won't be for the masses who are the critical part of this acceptance equation. the best way to think of how BTC will be used in the future is to study M-Pesa in Kenya and why it took off like a rocket shot. those ppl just needed an easy, inexpensive way to move money around the country w/o physically delivering it like they had been (donkey ride cross country) forced to do b/c of theft. they don't care that Safaricom/Vodafone knows their identity when sending money; they just want to get the money to family and friends. most of BTC use will be this way. |
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i would like to use this thread to develop ideas about how this activity might be prevented. i don't want to hear comments about how it is inevitable, can't stop it, its gonna happen no matter what type comments that are often accompanied by a veneer of glee. this is serious business and i have BTC to protect; so i'd like to hear productive ideas about how this can be accomplished.
Forum members, it would be helpful to get back to cypherdoc's original intent of this thread (see above and again here:) so i'd like to hear productive ideas about how this can be accomplished.Here are my ideas to start with: (1) Get all illegal content off this forum. This is already in progress, at least for (i) stuff that is illegal everywhere, and (ii) stuff that is illegal in most jurisdictions. People who want to talk about those things can do this somwhwere else, outside of bitcoin.org (2) A step further would be to publically announce on the homepage of bitcoin.org that bitoins have been created as innovation in the payment / store of value area and that the owners of bitcon.org are against illegal abuse. Of course, as with cash, some individuals may use bitcoins for other things, but bitcoin.org does not endorse this in any way and even undertakes all possible steps to avoid this on this website(3) Continue driving bitcoin's legal use for low fee payments, legitimate businesses, start-ups, investments, etc.
Finally something productive. i like #2 especially. we should start with that. i know the anarchists on this site object to any form of censorship or rule making. But they have to realize that if BTC is to work we have to at least initially play within game; the game being somewhat of a civilized society with rules/laws. anarchists know the network itself is composed of rules, laws, math, logic, fairness determined by Satoshi. w/o those concepts the network would fail and thus BTC adoption by the masses which is what none of us want. i have my own business; i have to follow the rules/laws of paying workmans comp, paying SS taxes, Medicare taxes, income/corporate taxes and a host of other regulations. i disagree with most of these gov't impositions but have to comply otherwise my successful business fails. thats life. as much as BTC represents freedom, it shouldn't allow anarchy. |
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Damn, if we had a prediction market we would know. I wonder when we'll have a predication market? MtGox is predicting astounding success for BTC. |
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I actually think my previous analogy to Zorro is not as absurd as it might sound. It is an individual who was chocked by the abuses of a power humgry governmental organisation. As a result, he developped particular skills (programming for Satoshi, swordsmanship for zorro), and when he was ready, he used it to fight against the organisation anonymously. The striking point imo is the developpement of the skills. I'm convinced that Satoshi has worked very hard during a long time to come up with this code. It was a lonely difficult work that probably looked like what did the fictional and yet very symbolic figure of Zorro when he started working on his mastering of the sword. You can laugh if you want, but I'm more or less serious. Zorro is a symbol of individual talent raising against collective force. I think it pretty well describes Satoshi. If you have any doubt, remember the string he used in order to make a timestamp in the Genesis block:
Chancellor of what nation do u think?
const char* pszTimestamp = "The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks";
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sorry, didn't finish post. those original logo coins are QUITE good. i actually like the parts of the coin that make it stand out (darker) b/c of the higher contrast, like the edges. a suggestion: don't focus on trying to make your coins look like pure gold. it makes the detailed parts of the coin like the print too light and less contrasty. i don't know if that makes sense or is even correct. its just my personal opinion. the original coins look techy which is cool.
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did u do the original logo coins? those happen to be QUITE
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unfortunately, the US gov't will set a higher std for BTC and laundering vs the USD. the will use the anonymity argument against BTC while the real reason will be to protect the USD franchise.
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Beautiful. the details are a little on the light side/hard to read unlike the current design. fantastic effort though.
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as a non hacker investor in BTC, i am tired of hearing laughing and joking about how drug dealers and gangs will most definitely use BTC to move money around the world to facilitate their illegal activities. Hive 45 had 2 jokers laughing and joking about using BTC for assasinations. i'm sorry, civilized ppl just don't talk like that. if this becomes the case, BTC may be doomed in the long run to function as a new currency to replace the USD which is what i presume most of the ppl on this forum want. i know i sure do and now i have an invested interest in making this so. i would like to use this thread to develop ideas about how this activity might be prevented. i don't want to hear comments about how it is inevitable, can't stop it, its gonna happen no matter what type comments that are often accompanied by a veneer of glee. this is serious business; so i'd like to hear productive ideas about how this can be accomplished. if everyone believes its impossible then fine, i get an empty thread.
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sorry just noted its android
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