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1961  Economy / Gambling / Re: Gambler's fallacy, what do you think? on: March 30, 2015, 03:44:39 AM
I think the gambler's fallacy theory could be applied to sportsbetting too because for example the France-Brazil game yesterday finished 1-3 and knowing that the last game in Brazil ended 3-0 I would have thought now it was time for France to win having less substitutes in the team but guess what it the stats don't matter and each event is one unaffected instance. And yes I lost my bet on France to win  Cool
Gambler's fallacy theory is just for something random, Sports game is totally unrandom, it depends the ability of each player, you can't say the ability of each player is random.
 
There are still some chance in sports game. In basketball when you shoot the ball theres a chance it will spin off the backboard weirdly, you jump weirdly, your muscles might act a bit differently, there is so many variables. Theres always the edge that a team has of winning but it isn't predetermined.

Yes, there is chance, but how the first free throw bounced off the rim has absolutely nothing to do with how the second one will bounce off the rim (if it even hits the rim).
True, but its the same thing as this. if the first one doesn't go in the net then you might bet on the second one because "the odds have to be even right".
Also you CAN apply martingale to sports betting, if you lose your bet you keep doubling until you win, its still possible

The odds most certainly don't "have to be even."  if you are going to hit 50% of your free throws over the course of your life, and you miss one, the odds of the next one are still 50/50 because the odds "be even" when the next 1 million free throws are 50/50 overall. You can apply martingale to sports betting the same way you can to every other bet. it will be great until you get on a losing streak that hits the maximum bet or the end of your bankroll.
1962  Economy / Gambling / Re: Gambler's fallacy, what do you think? on: March 29, 2015, 01:16:03 PM
I think the gambler's fallacy theory could be applied to sportsbetting too because for example the France-Brazil game yesterday finished 1-3 and knowing that the last game in Brazil ended 3-0 I would have thought now it was time for France to win having less substitutes in the team but guess what it the stats don't matter and each event is one unaffected instance. And yes I lost my bet on France to win  Cool
Gambler's fallacy theory is just for something random, Sports game is totally unrandom, it depends the ability of each player, you can't say the ability of each player is random.
 
There are still some chance in sports game. In basketball when you shoot the ball theres a chance it will spin off the backboard weirdly, you jump weirdly, your muscles might act a bit differently, there is so many variables. Theres always the edge that a team has of winning but it isn't predetermined.

Yes, there is chance, but how the first free throw bounced off the rim has absolutely nothing to do with how the second one will bounce off the rim (if it even hits the rim).
1963  Economy / Gambling / Re: Gambler's fallacy, what do you think? on: March 29, 2015, 01:00:41 PM

I know a lot of people who make a lot of money with sport bets but i dont think they take in count all those factors honestly. I mean obviously a red card is an important factor but you dont know that will happen and you are betting before the match starts so those events are something you cant count on.

the people that in take lots of stuff into account. You can only put the red card that happens in the middle of the game into account if you are doing in-game betting, but you can bet that anyone who is good at sports betting takes red card suspensions and injuries into account when making a bet on a soccer game.
1964  Economy / Gambling / Re: Gambler's fallacy, what do you think? on: March 29, 2015, 12:56:11 PM
I think the gambler's fallacy theory could be applied to sportsbetting too because for example the France-Brazil game yesterday finished 1-3 and knowing that the last game in Brazil ended 3-0 I would have thought now it was time for France to win having less substitutes in the team but guess what it the stats don't matter and each event is one unaffected instance. And yes I lost my bet on France to win  Cool

france was favored to win. the fact that the game was in France had a lot more to do with that than the result of the last game they played 2 years ago.

Sports is a terrible place to use the gambler's fallacy because there are so many hints that it might work that people get the wrong idea. There are many, many factors that go into who is going to win a sports game, and who won the last one may be one of them, but "france lost 2 years ago, they should win today" is a pretty bad example of using the gambler's fallacy.
1965  Economy / Gambling / Re: Gambler's fallacy, what do you think? on: March 26, 2015, 04:47:40 PM
The concept is pretty confusing actually. If you consider the odds of 11th Head after 10 heads, then its 50% , however if you consider the odds of 10 simultaneous heads, then thats very less , and the odds of 11 heads is lower, and so on.
So overall the gamblers fallacy isn't true but a tails to happen soon does increase by a bit according to me.

You don't care about the odds of throwing 11 heads in a row, after you already did 10. There is only 1 left to throw so it is 50/50.

The odds of throwing 11 heads in a row is (1/2)^11. That's the same as ((1/2)^10) * (1/2). The bold is throwing the first 10, AFTER you've thrown 10 heads in a row the odds of throwing 11 in a row are 50/50.

Yes thats true, but what I mean was say the odds of throwing the first 10 in a row is very low,  then the odds of throwing 11 heads is even lower and hence chance of tails coming up to satisfy the natural existing probability  of 50-50 should increase.

It doesn't. The odds of throwing the 11th are 50/50. To satisfy getting to 50/50 overall you just need to keep flipping the coin and getting 50% heads, look for my post earlier in this thread where I break it down.
1966  Economy / Gambling / Re: Casino Idea on: March 26, 2015, 03:44:58 PM
The casino site needs to make money to pay their bills, so some money has to come off the table.

Even if the owner takes a portion of the winnings (call it rake or commission, whatever) eventually they will get the money.

If we do me vs you in flipping a coin, with both put in 1 coin, the winner gets .99 coin if they win, the house gets .01, the loser loses 1, if we go back and forth enough 50/50 the house will get all the money.

You can come up with various bonuses/rakeback/comps to give some of the money back to the players, but you need a house edge to make money, because why would you do it if you aren't making money, and that money has to come from somewhere. I have seen many people try (and fail) to pay the bills via ads only, but that hasn't worked. You need to make money to cover your expenses, and the only successful model has been taking it from the players.
1967  Economy / Gambling / Re: Gambler's fallacy, what do you think? on: March 26, 2015, 03:35:12 PM
The concept is pretty confusing actually. If you consider the odds of 11th Head after 10 heads, then its 50% , however if you consider the odds of 10 simultaneous heads, then thats very less , and the odds of 11 heads is lower, and so on.
So overall the gamblers fallacy isn't true but a tails to happen soon does increase by a bit according to me.

You don't care about the odds of throwing 11 heads in a row, after you already did 10. There is only 1 left to throw so it is 50/50.

The odds of throwing 11 heads in a row is (1/2)^11. That's the same as ((1/2)^10) * (1/2). The bold is throwing the first 10, AFTER you've thrown 10 heads in a row the odds of throwing 11 in a row are 50/50.
1968  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW Miners Paybase Paycoin unofficial uncensored discussion.ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: March 26, 2015, 12:48:17 PM
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On a brighter note, the fact the foundation wallet got hacked and XPY is the subject of hackers means that they see some real value in it.


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This is my favorite logic in all of cryptoland.

Of course there's some value, they can trade it for dollars or other coins on the exchanges.

Being stolen, doesn't mean there's a ton of value, it just means that the current exchange rate makes it worth stealing, and since it doesn't appear to require that much effort to steal coins, I wouldn't be using that as a great judge of anything.
1969  Economy / Gambling / Re: Gambler's fallacy, does it exist? on: March 26, 2015, 04:54:16 AM
This is pretty interesting. I always thought the chance was the same each play. I guess it's all what you believe / luck.

The chance is the same every play.

that's what the gambler's fallacy is. People THINK that if you have a streak of heads, tails becomes more likely to get back to 50/50, but you don't. that's why it's a FALLACY, because it's false.
1970  Economy / Gambling / Re: Gambler's fallacy, does it exist? on: March 26, 2015, 03:17:56 AM
The gambler's fallacy is real because people don't understand how math works.

If you flip 6 heads in a row (on a fair coin), the odds of the next flip are still 50/50 AND we can still expect the results to be 50% as we go into the future.

After the first 6 you got heads 100% of the time.

If the next 4 are 50/50, you have 8 heads out of 10.  Heads came out 80% of the time

If the next 10 are 50/50, you have 13 heads out of 20. Heads came out 65% of the time.

If the next 30 are 50/50, you have 28 heads out of 50. Heads came out 56% of the time.

If the next 50 are 50/50 you have 53 heads out of 100. Heads came out 53% of the time.

If the next 100 are 50/50, you have 103 heads out of 200. heads came out 51.5% of the time.

If the next 1,000 are 50/50, you have 603 heads out of 1200. Heads came out 50.25% of the time.

If the next 10,000 are 50/50, you have 5603 heads out of 11200, heads came out 50.00268% of the time.

As you keep going you actually get to 50/50.
1971  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW Miners Paybase Paycoin unofficial uncensored discussion.ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: March 25, 2015, 03:22:53 PM
It's obviously the media's fault. If they weren't so busy spreading so much fud, there wouldn't have been such a run on paybase causing 100 million dollar floor to evaporate in seconds.

If no one ever said anything about GAW, no one would have ever tried to sell their coins ever and the price would be at least $100 per coin now. Damn Fudsters, ruined everything.
1972  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW Miners Paybase Paycoin unofficial uncensored discussion.ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: March 23, 2015, 11:02:01 PM
Whats even the point of those select absurd invites to that coinstand to use paycoin at 20$... Except for the way to pay shills..(and not much left of shills too)  Wink
After the purchase is made the coins have to return to circulation at <1$ - i mean its not even that it somehow rebuys these coins back at 20$.
Is this how they are trying to make people to love the coin... Grin  All they are making is to hate the coin and especially them more things like this... And for the investors money i guess.. investors that simply don't happen to be shills... Pathetic company.. Just hope jail is imminent..

the purpose was to pump the price up so they could unload some of the coins they created out of thin air for a bigger price. It worked until people realized that only a few people would be able to get the $20 per coin value, so the price crashed down to lower than it was before.
1973  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW Miners Paybase Paycoin unofficial uncensored discussion.ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: March 23, 2015, 02:14:21 AM
Losing  house and kids can be more a divorce situation than actually getting foreclosed on. The amount of money blown to actually lose a house and the amount to get your wife to be tired of your shit are 2 very different numbers.
1974  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW Miners Paybase Paycoin unofficial uncensored discussion.ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: March 22, 2015, 05:45:59 PM
They want the honors program to happen, that's why they "launched" it.

If the honors program was "launched" I guess I can see how they are keeping their "no pre-announcements" promise, they just have a completely different language than what the rest of the world considers English.
1975  Economy / Gambling / Re: SwCpoker.eu | No Banking, Only Bitcoin | Bitcoin Poker 2.0 LIVE NOW! on: March 21, 2015, 11:05:17 PM
Weird bug, if you open the hand browser/replay thing, the text says "seat x is the button" but x is wherever the button is on the table when you click the button.

I thought I saw an odd chip go to the wrong guy in a split pot game, but that button thing and the hand history saying "PLAYER wins pot (###) instead of PLAYER wins pot with (hand) (####) plus a lack of caffeine made it hard for me to confirm that.

Having fun playing today though, hope you can get the domain.

Edit: Just got the low chip after winning the low and in better position, not sure what's going on.
1976  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: cloud mining ?? on: March 21, 2015, 12:47:05 PM
if i dont have a lot of satoshies yet, where can i invest them ? i saw everything on hashnest is very expensive, you can buy antminer or some other contract that costs 1 bitcoin and not less..

hold them. No one is going to let your borrow their satoshi making machine if it will give you more satoshis than you give them.
1977  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Who likes saving up to 35% on Amazon? I DO! on: March 20, 2015, 04:20:01 AM
My experience of Purse.io is that the Bitcoin buyers are scammers (3 purchases 1 scam) and that the customer services won't be helpful to look out for you if you are in a bad situation due to scammers on their site.


How did you got scammed actually? Do they provide escrow? Were you a buyer (exchanged your BTC for amazon stuff)?


I ordered something, paid with Bitcoin, the buyer bought it and it was delivered, but then they claimed it hadn't been delivered and got a refund leaving the company out of pocket.
The company then got in touch with me to say that they will have to contact the authorities as I haven't paid for the item that arrived.  Purse say that I shouldn't worry though, so it's ok.  I'll say tell that to the judge when I'm in court.

So you didn't get scammed, the company did.

I'd also say you got nothing to worry about, just tell them the whole story. They fucked up by giving the guy a refund. Why would they do that if the item has been delivered at the address provided by buyer and I assume it was signed for upon delivery.

They won't start any legal action (unless it's a small seller and it was high purchase), although they should, but they should be chasing the scammer not yourself.

The company got scammed, but they have proof that they delivered a product to you that you didn't pay for, so they will go after you.

I know, I have spoken to the company, they know that I haven't scammed them, but if and when they report it they will go after both me and the buyer, they will have to.  Apparently as they are an Amazon marketplace company, any refunds are done automatically.  I actually didn't know about the situation until I got a letter asking me to sign to confirm non-receipt of the item.  I immediately contacted them to tell them that I had received it.

You can argue the semantics of who has been scammed with me, I would just say that the stress of dealing with it and the threats of legal action, along with the complete lack of support from Purse.io here, are not worth the discount available. For what it's worth, the item cost 140€, so I saved 35€.  If push comes to shove, I will probably pay the 140€ to the company to avoid court. Like I say, it's not worth it.



I'm not sure what amazon will/can do against you, but stuff like this is why using purse is a bad idea, in my opinion. It doesn't make to pay that markup for coins, so there are going to be lots of fraudulent transactions. If there is a fraudulent transaction, amazon has your address and you have their product, and fake information from the carder. Who knows what amazon can do to you, but they can't do much to the other person involved because they used fake info.
1978  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Cloud Mining on: March 19, 2015, 04:19:01 PM
Any reason that someone has to sell or rent miners is a reason for me not to buy/rent from them.
1979  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Evolution has run off with all user's funds on: March 19, 2015, 04:00:08 PM
This issue is the single biggest threat to bit coin. People don't lose faith over chinese banks and potential regulations. They lose faith when their currency is stolen. People need to bring pressure on law enforcement to pursue this kind of stuff. They also need to secure their own coins. This kind of stuff is easy to avoid if you simply keep your currency offline.

"hello, officer jones, I need your help."

"what can i do for you?"

"Someone on the internet said they would give me internet money if I mailed them drugs, to make sure no one got ripped off someone named Vector would hold the money until the drugs were shipped. After I put the drugs in the mail Vector ran away with my internet money."

"Ok, son, we'll find your internet money while you're in jail for putting drugs in the mail and possession with intent to sell, hopefully we'll find it in the next 5 to 10 years, have a good night."
1980  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Cloud Mining on: March 19, 2015, 03:47:51 PM
According to that logic there's no reason to sell any miners.

Well the problem here is the manufacturers would be taking more of a risk by mining with their own product then selling... They sell at 300% market up, pocket their profit and don't have to worry about making their money back.

So I don't see the logic behind what you're trying to say.

The same logic you are using to say it's stupid to rent from that site is why it's stupid to buy miners. Why would someone sell you a miner that they could plug in and make money with? why would someone rent you a miner that they could plug in and make money with?

Just buy coins if you want them, no one is going to rent or sell you a money making machine for an amount of money less than they can make plugging it in.
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