Bitcoin Forum
May 30, 2024, 10:40:42 AM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
  Home Help Search Login Register More  
  Show Posts
Pages: « 1 ... 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 [99] 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 ... 248 »
1961  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Dark Enlightenment on: March 03, 2014, 03:10:28 AM
The reason I find ESR's blog interesting in spite of the many (high IQ or at least articulate) socialists, feminists, racists, etc who populate his comment threads, is because there are few there (ESR included) who help distill generative essence of fundamental trends, e.g. Eric's The Cathedral and the Bazaar was the articulation of the generative essence for Bitcoin.

I go there to check my rationality and gain synergies about formulating the core trends in the Knowledge Age.
1962  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Gavin Andresen Sincere when he says he cares deeply about privacy in Bitcoin? on: March 03, 2014, 03:00:53 AM
Too many people spamming about Zerocoin when they don't know anything about it besides the name.  It's obviously not even close to usable for prime time in current form without drastically scaling Bitcoin backwards.  Darkcoin is the only hope for the foreseeable future.

You can also ignore Anonymint, because he was talking about "fatal flaws" of Darkcoin before having any idea how it works and bases everything on the initial coinjoin thread, when there are many different ways to implement it.

r0ach apparently (?) has no technical comprehension.

Tor, DarkCoin, CoinJoin, Zerocoin are all fundamentally (meaning can't be fixed) flawed.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg5474597#msg5474597
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=439357.msg5454853#msg5454853

Note I think Zerocoin has a very important role to play combined with my design for mixing, but not by itself.
1963  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Failure to Understand Bitcoin Could Cost Investors Billions" (Bitcoin's flaws) on: March 03, 2014, 02:50:00 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=491181.msg5474716#msg5474716

I really want to sign off now, because I have programming work to do. So I hope this is the last time I need to rebutt here.

If they can't stop people torrenting movies and games, they won't be able to stop the flow of digital money.

And my point is I agree with you only if the coin has anonymity which the NSA can't subvert.

Bitcoin does not and will never have it.

Because we are talking about control of money, which is essential to governments' existence, so they will fight with every tool in their warchest. As they have been with 9/11 falseflag to foist AML and KYC laws every where. Now FATCA forced on all sovereign nations. Downloaded media has actually been a boon to Hollywood not an existential threat, and they aren't the government any way.

So as I said, you have a few screws loose in your ability to see reality. Perhaps you can tighten them.



This whole thread is built upon a fundamental misconception

...

The decision to handle and classify Bitcoins in a specific way is a political decision.

Exactly it is a political outcome and the fact of democracy is that it is a power vacuum and always controlled by the vested interests who control the money i.e. the banksters. And you thought I was disagreeing, because you conflate orthogonal issues as non-intellectual people do.



Did anyone even mention the legal fees to accomplish all this would probably be equal or higher than the Bitcoin market cap itself? lol

And you are too myopic or naive apparently to see that the real cost here is the loss of control of the money, which is an existential threat to government and vested interests. They will spare no expense and besides Japan is complicit state in their network. Haven't you seen that Rockefeller is often over there hobnobbing with the elite and government over there.



BTC is not legal tender but clearly a BEARER INSTRUMENT

so, not affected in most countries

http://books.google.ch/books?id=uJxxMrf4MEkC&pg=PA244&lpg=PA244&dq=Nemo+dat+quod+non+habet+bearer+instrument&source=bl&ots=RNMPS9ew7Z&sig=6UxI9ljhlE7nsAZHMqR1dIRDdds&hl=de&sa=X&ei=CsETU8WLMMLnygP96oGwBQ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Nemo%20dat%20quod%20non%20habet%20bearer%20instrument&f=false

...because it is not practically possible to chase bearer instruments, that is why lawmakers all over the world agree on this

You searched on a Germanic language Google, the english link is:

http://books.google.com/books?id=uJxxMrf4MEkC&lpg=PA244&ots=RNMPSafs85&dq=Nemo%20dat%20quod%20non%20habet%20bearer%20instrument&pg=PA244#v=onepage&q=Nemo%20dat%20quod%20non%20habet%20bearer%20instrument&f=false

This does not apply to Bitcoin because bearer instruments (e.g. physical ownership certificates without a name on them and no ledger) are an exception only because the law doesn't want to make illegal what it can't enforce, as it makes the law look impotent.

Bitcoin chain of ownership is very explicit in the public block chain (the public ledger), thus the law can very easily trace.

And remember we are talking about an existential threat to governments, so they will spare no effort.

I agree with you that anonymity is the way to defeat the government and make them go away.

However Tor, DarkCoin, CoinJoin, Zerocoin are all fundamentally (meaning can't be fixed) flawed.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg5474597#msg5474597
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=439357.msg5454853#msg5454853

Note I think Zerocoin has a very important role to play combined with my design for mixing, but not by itself.
1964  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Most Bitcoin will be clawed back due to widespread theft on: March 03, 2014, 02:46:54 AM
Because we are talking about control of money, which is essential to governments' existence, so they will fight with every tool in their warchest. As they have been with 9/11 falseflag to foist AML and KYC laws every where. Now FATCA forced on all sovereign nations.

Then we will fight in the shade, on indian reserverations.

And we need strong anonymity for that. We don't have it. And we won't have it in Bitcoin. Period.
1965  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Most Bitcoin will be clawed back due to widespread theft on: March 03, 2014, 02:26:59 AM
I really want to sign off now, because I have programming work to do. So I hope this is the last time I need to rebutt here.

If they can't stop people torrenting movies and games, they won't be able to stop the flow of digital money.

And my point is I agree with you only if the coin has anonymity which the NSA can't subvert.

Bitcoin does not and will never have it.

Because we are talking about control of money, which is essential to governments' existence, so they will fight with every tool in their warchest. As they have been with 9/11 falseflag to foist AML and KYC laws every where. Now FATCA forced on all sovereign nations. Downloaded media has actually been a boon to Hollywood not an existential threat, and they aren't the government any way.

So as I said, you have a few screws loose in your ability to see reality. Perhaps you can tighten them.



This whole thread is built upon a fundamental misconception

...

The decision to handle and classify Bitcoins in a specific way is a political decision.

Exactly it is a political outcome and the fact of democracy is that it is a power vacuum and always controlled by the vested interests who control the money i.e. the banksters. And you thought I was disagreeing, because you conflate orthogonal issues as non-intellectual people do.



Did anyone even mention the legal fees to accomplish all this would probably be equal or higher than the Bitcoin market cap itself? lol

And you are too myopic or naive apparently to see that the real cost here is the loss of control of the money, which is an existential threat to government and vested interests. They will spare no expense and besides Japan is complicit state in their network. Haven't you seen that Rockefeller is often over there hobnobbing with the elite and government over there.



BTC is not legal tender but clearly a BEARER INSTRUMENT

so, not affected in most countries

http://books.google.ch/books?id=uJxxMrf4MEkC&pg=PA244&lpg=PA244&dq=Nemo+dat+quod+non+habet+bearer+instrument&source=bl&ots=RNMPS9ew7Z&sig=6UxI9ljhlE7nsAZHMqR1dIRDdds&hl=de&sa=X&ei=CsETU8WLMMLnygP96oGwBQ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Nemo%20dat%20quod%20non%20habet%20bearer%20instrument&f=false

...because it is not practically possible to chase bearer instruments, that is why lawmakers all over the world agree on this

You searched on a Germanic language Google, the english link is:

http://books.google.com/books?id=uJxxMrf4MEkC&lpg=PA244&ots=RNMPSafs85&dq=Nemo%20dat%20quod%20non%20habet%20bearer%20instrument&pg=PA244#v=onepage&q=Nemo%20dat%20quod%20non%20habet%20bearer%20instrument&f=false

This does not apply to Bitcoin because bearer instruments (e.g. physical ownership certificates without a name on them and no ledger) are an exception only because the law doesn't want to make illegal what it can't enforce, as it makes the law look impotent.

Bitcoin chain of ownership is very explicit in the public block chain (the public ledger), thus the law can very easily trace.

And remember we are talking about an existential threat to governments, so they will spare no effort.

I agree with you that anonymity is the way to defeat the government and make them go away.

However Tor, DarkCoin, CoinJoin, Zerocoin are all fundamentally (meaning can't be fixed) flawed.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg5474597#msg5474597
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=439357.msg5454853#msg5454853

Note I think Zerocoin has a very important role to play combined with my design for mixing, but not by itself.
1966  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: CoinJoin: Bitcoin privacy for the real world on: March 03, 2014, 02:16:13 AM
The dc-net solution requires you to trust only that there exists at least one other node (ANY participating node) that is not compromised; that's a strictly stronger guarantee than Tor

My understanding of dc-nets is it is impractical to stop denial-of-service. Generally speaking the stronger the anonymity of the mixing, the more difficult to deal with denial-of-service.

I have more comments about what actually works for anonymity at another thread.
1967  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: How 'Anonymous' is Bitcoin? on: March 03, 2014, 02:08:27 AM
gallom, I couldn't have said it better. Thanks.

The only two ways I know of to be reliably anonymous w.r.t. to making it impossible to connect your IP address to your identity, at least until I release my new technology for anonymity of a block chain.

Note I think Zerocoin has a very important role to play combined with my design for mixing, but not by itself.

Others are starting to understand that low-latency Chaum mix-nets such as Tor aren't reliable anonymity.
1968  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Dark Enlightenment on: March 03, 2014, 01:45:08 AM
Are social skills are part of intellectual capacity? You got to practice yours Wink

Fuck social skills, the "code is the law". The truth can be abrasive, yet the code is going to win if correctly designed.

I can (will) kick your loser beta-male, ass with algorithms. Don't you know you are controlled by alpha-males and always will be. Of course as a beta-male you can't even admit this to yourself.

Ego is for Little People.

That first sentence in the OP was a litmus test to see if you are beta ("B-list") or alpha ("A-list").

I do hope you understand that Satoshi proved that in the world of open source, crypto-currency, reputation and identity of the creator has nothing to do with the success or failure.

This is the next frontier for open source. The Benevolent Dictator will not be chosen based on his personality, rather on the awesomeness of the code he creates and the expertise and wisdom in directing and integrating the code commits of others.

Besides I am a very nice person, have more friends than my Dunbar limit, and am generally smiling, joking and having a great time with total strangers every day. It is only these butthurt B-listers in forums who seem to have a problem with their ego.

Note Linus Torvalds regularly pisses people off, because he explained that being a Finn and not wanting to give people a misleading direction, he regularly speaks very frankly (and thus abrasively in terms of B-lister ego).
1969  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Gavin Andresen Sincere when he says he cares deeply about privacy in Bitcoin? on: March 02, 2014, 06:45:57 PM
I get really nervous when I read articles ... or talks like this which highlight the extreme dangers that can be imposed by world governments without anonymity.

Andreas' rant started around 33 minutes or so, and he really got into by 39 min. He basically says that the developed world is too focused on profit, navel-gazing, kissing the boot of regulators. He says the 6 billion are driving the real future of Bitcoin.

Cool! He and I are shouting the same thing!

So fuck these assholes in this forum who are criticizing me.

P.S. Andreas has one flaw in his analysis, the developing world is short the dollar and the tail doesn't wag the dog yet. The USA is still fully in control for another decade or so. So we have to go through a really big mess first before we get to his ideal.
1970  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin (DarkSend) | No Premine | Runs 30% cooler than scrypt on: March 02, 2014, 06:28:42 PM
Thank you. If I can see any solution that will work within your design, as it is explained more, then I will share.

No rush. Private message me to come back if you post something I need to see.
1971  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin (DarkSend) | No Premine | Runs 30% cooler than scrypt on: March 02, 2014, 06:20:49 PM
It will be blissful if he refuses to address my question about the security flaw in his coin, as described in his summary.

Then it means you get to find out later and lose a lot of money, time, and effort. Perfect.

The "cover my eyes and pretend no problems exist" makes this look more and more like the monkey coin.
1972  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Failure to Understand Bitcoin Could Cost Investors Billions" (Bitcoin's flaws) on: March 02, 2014, 06:01:04 PM
Ah have to sneak back in to say, looks like I am winning the information war:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441414.msg5466479#msg5466479

I get really nervous when I read articles like this or talks like this which highlight the extreme dangers that can be imposed by world governments without anonymity.

Add my thread to the logic about the threats from lacking anonymity.

Zerocoin doesn't obscure IP addresses. Still vulnerable to traffic and pattern analysis too. CoinJoin can't scale due to denial-of-service in its 2nd signing step. DarkCoin appears to be fundamentally flawed. Etc.

All the gory details in this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=439357.msg5355485#msg5355485


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441414.msg5467500#msg5467500

I get really nervous when I read articles ... or talks like this which highlight the extreme dangers that can be imposed by world governments without anonymity.

Andreas' rant started around 33 minutes or so, and he really got into by 39 min. He basically says that the developed world is too focused on profit, navel-gazing, kissing the boot of regulators. He says the 6 billion are driving the real future of Bitcoin.

Cool! He and I are shouting the same thing!

So fuck these assholes in this forum who are criticizing me.

P.S. Andreas has one flaw in his analysis, the developing world is short the dollar and the tail doesn't wag the dog yet. The USA is still fully in control for another decade or so. So we have to go through a really big mess first before we get to his ideal.
1973  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Gavin Andresen Sincere when he says he cares deeply about privacy in Bitcoin? on: March 02, 2014, 05:57:06 PM
I get really nervous when I read articles like this or talks like this which highlight the extreme dangers that can be imposed by world governments without anonymity.

Add my thread to the logic about the threats from lacking anonymity.

Zerocoin doesn't obscure IP addresses. Still vulnerable to traffic and pattern analysis too. CoinJoin can't scale due to denial-of-service in its 2nd signing step. DarkCoin appears to be fundamentally flawed. Etc.

All the gory details in this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=439357.msg5355485#msg5355485
1974  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin (DarkSend) | No Premine | Runs 30% cooler than scrypt on: March 02, 2014, 05:45:24 PM
It is probably possible to discuss in terms of flow-charts, no need to see the actual code.
1975  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin (DarkSend) | No Premine | Runs 30% cooler than scrypt on: March 02, 2014, 05:33:02 PM
Meanwhile awaiting a technical reply from the developer. Putting slyA's political rampage on ignore.
1976  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin (DarkSend) | No Premine | Runs 30% cooler than scrypt on: March 02, 2014, 05:28:18 PM
Dunning-Kruger dolts are not concerned about the important details of technology, instead only politics and promotion.

Try re-reading my prior post.

I promise you this. I will never announce an altcoin, nor use my reputation to promote one. So you are just full of horseshit.
1977  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCO] XCoin | New Secure Hashing Algorithm (cpu only) on: March 02, 2014, 05:17:54 PM


You are not ahead of my crypto on mixing. But mine is not released.

JUST AS I PREDICTED. LMFAO.

Your advertisement is so contrived that I wont do you the pleasure of asking for your coin... Anonymint*wink wink*

I have refused to tell any one, so why would I tell you (you jealous, technically ignorant imbecile).

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455141.msg5458902#msg5458902
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455141.msg5442231#msg5442231
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455141.msg5436637#msg5436637

If you understood math, you would realize that I just explained that DarkCoin can't be secure against denial-of-service attacks (on enjoining transactions), at least as I understood the design as described in summary form.

But since you are ignorant of the technical details, you blissfully spout off like a good Dunning-Kruger idiot should.
1978  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: How 'Anonymous' is Bitcoin? on: March 02, 2014, 05:15:02 PM
Why Tor isn't anonymous and analysis of the flaws of DarkCoin (DRK):

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg5465510#msg5465510

The NSA won't have any problem providing records to the tax and law authorities. They've already announced coordination with the G20 to do so.

You guys are just thinking the world is going to remain sane. You are going to be shocked when this shit spirals into chaos 2016ish.

I'm tired of arguing with you. Have it your way at Burger King. Enjoy your bliss.
1979  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCO] XCoin | New Secure Hashing Algorithm (cpu only) on: March 02, 2014, 05:02:51 PM
I am sorry to have to explain this bad news to you, because I understand you have good intentions. It is better you know as early as possible. Apologies I didn't see your thread until now, otherwise I would have told you sooner.

Quote
It appears the technical design of this DarkCoin is fundamentally flawed and can't be fixed.

There must be some proof that senders sent transactions for all peers on the network to verify before they can accept the block and begin working on the next block solution. Such proof must exist otherwise balances could be stolen by rogue peers.

Thus I must assume you are doing a CoinJoin-like proof for all senders that in that block. And I assume these proofs are transmitted with the block, even if you purge them later (using a proof-of-work chain such as in the mini block chain design).

The problem is that CoinJoin is subject to denial-of-service attack in that if any sender fails to sign in the second step, then no senders can send.

Thus CoinJoin can't scale to a larger number of senders joined. It works best with a few senders and the probability of denial-of-service (rogue sender) is low.

My proposed solution to this issue is to have a deterministic master and slave node based on each block that is solved.

Any thing deterministic violates the Byzantine General's solution of proof-of-work and can be defrauded. What will happen is the fraudsters will game this deterministic selection to put themselves in control. Understand that the fundamental genius of Satoshi's invention is that nothing can be known about the next block winner a priori. I explained in great detail why all non-PoW systems, e.g. proof-of-stake, are thus not secure. If you introduce determinism (e.g. a pseudorandom number generator is controlled by whom ever controls the initial seed) then you've lost that key attribute of PoW w.r.t. to your use in controlling the denial-of-service of enjoining transactions in the CoinJoin algorithm.

When entering the pool, a user will be required to make out a multisig 2 of 2 payment to master and slave nodes. So for example, User A wants to pay User B 50DRK, to enter the pool the user must provide the 2 of 2 multisig transaction for $1 to the master and slave. Only in the case that the user doesn't provide outputs or sign will that check be cashed and it must be redeemed by both parties. This process would be deterministic and tamper proof and would add great cost to messing with the network.

I considered this approach and may have even written about it in my comments in the CoinJoin thread. I dismissed it because anything deterministic can be gamed. The problem of gaining consensus in untrusted networks is precisely what the Byzantine General's problem is all about. From 1975 when it was discovered no one had a solution until Satoshi published.

Not understanding this, is fundamentally not understanding Bitcoin and decentralized crypto-currency.

This is not a small mistake. It is fundamental.

And as far as I can see, most altcoins are created by amateurs who do not have the mathematical ability and should not be entrusted with such a task. Primecoin is an exception and a genuine advance, although I feel prime chains may be less secure due to the hidden order in them which could be found one day.

Quote
There is a second insoluble flaw that CoinJoin does nothing to obscure IP address and thus you have no anonymity against powerful entities.
There is no reliable anonymity possible in Bitcoin against the NSA+GCHQ+G20 tax and law enforcement. Forget it.
There is anonymity in Bitcoin against other less powerful entities.

First off Darkcoin uses a peer-to-peer protocol layer for DarkSend, so the inputs/outputs/signatures are broadcast at different stages then relayed through the network. It’s impossible to tell if you’re getting the input/output/signature from the one who originated it. So you seem to be implying that some government would have packet sniffing technology recording everything happening in Darkcoin. That’s pretty crazy and far fetched and completely invalidated if your traffic is coming through encrypted channels.

No it is not crazy nor far-fetched.

https://blog.torproject.org/blog/one-cell-enough

Low-latency Chaum mix-nets are in fact very easy to foil with traffic analysis, sometimes even only needing to see the entry and/or exit nodes.

Encrypting the packets doesn't stop the traffic analysis from working. And especially so in this case, because the recipients (who can decrypt the packets) of the encrypted packets are not trusted websites, but rather untrusted nodes on the P2P network.

However, the goal of Darkcoin is not to do illegal things, the goal is to make a “dark blockchain” , that is less visible and improves privacy. I think you're taking this overboard. If you're wanting to do something and you're scared the government is going to put the pieces together then you shouldn't be doing it, that's not what this was designed for.

Okay if you are saying this is for anonymity against everything except the very powerful entities such as the intelligence services of governments, then I can agree with you that your mixer probably adds anonymity (but I reserve a caveat that I haven't see your code nor all the details of your design in order to know if it might actually be worse, i.e. the security hole I mentioned above and ability of the I guess the pool to decrypt the packets).

But I am exactly concerned about the ability of governments to take over crypto-currencies due to the fact they can identify the owners of the coins. So for me, I am not satisfied with your design.

Also as I said above, you have a serious flaw in the security of your design.

This whole arguement is a false dichotomy, we're not talking black and white here but shades of grey. Darkcoin still adds 95% to the privacy of users and in the future that will only increase. I don't have the perfect solution, but I have the best one that currently exists. Darkcoin’s anonymity is still worlds ahead of every other crypto, so I’m not sure what you’re complaining about.

It adds probably only 5% if we are talking about the capabilities of the NSA. For less powerful adversaries, I can agree to the conceptual figure of 95%.

You are not ahead of my crypto on mixing. But mine is not released.
1980  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin (DarkSend) | No Premine | Runs 30% cooler than scrypt on: March 02, 2014, 04:37:03 PM
Wait for my reply. I am studying his response now. I am not Hal Turner. My real name is clearly written at the top of my Bitcoin : The Digital Kill Switch thread.

Truth is (Damned Facts are) abrasive. Sorry about that. You can complain to the Gods for that.

There are major flaws in his design.
Pages: « 1 ... 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 [99] 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 ... 248 »
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!