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You have a silly idea of the law: if you break it (especially the criminal one), then you did it. You can't reverse so easily what you have done. If you commit another crime to cover the traces of your previous crime, then you commited 2 crimes.
Giga knew perfectly well like anyone that GLBSE was illegal, but he played along until the going was good. So now he is just getting the chance for another hit at his investors.
edit: I personally don't trust to send my ID to no one here, nor to their lawyers. And Giga's bet is that many are of the same opinion.
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(1) You don't think you should have to comply with the law as now explained by lawyers, and you are mad at Giga for bringing the law into this when you think everybody could have just gotten away with doing the payments as "gentlemen" without needing to involve the pesky notion of tax and sanction compliance steps. In your mind,
Are you faking to be stupid or for real? Either Giga was not legal before -when he took our coins- AND SO HE IS A FUCKING CRIMINAL or: he was legal when he took our coins - AND SO HE IS A FUCKING CRIMINAL STEALING OUR COINS BECAUSE OF B/S LEGAL INVENTIONS There is no alternative. |
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They seem to be saying that that Giga should, for the sake of honor or something, execute the original vision rather than the revised "actually legal" vision, sacrificing compliance on the altar of the original contract's purity and integrity. That strikes me as a bit silly -- but not nearly as silly as trying to claim that there are no "contracts" at all.
I hope that someone scams you badly, and then pulls out a lawyer to fu*k you over again. Then I will come to comment on how silly are you. [edit]: a reminder for my sell offer of Giga's bonds off-the-counter: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75802.msg1385577#msg1385577https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75802.msg1385639#msg1385639 |
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AFAIK there is only one claim for BTC address, so how can someone claim twice. I can't see how this can work...
If the buyer is a Giga's shareholder, he would need someone else who is not to sign the affidavit and figure as another. [edit:] but there is not any reason why the same person could not have more than one GLBSE account and so reclaim them with a single affidavit. That's a bit elaborate, but I am not selling at 50%+ discount for nothing. About following up with cooperation by email if needed, no problem on my side (even to state anything in the name of anyone). Only problem is about the wallet that I used for my GLBSE transactions: I am not ready to give it away since the situation with other issuers of shares that I own(ed?) is still fluid. So we should figure something about this. In the past I sent back significant wrong payments that I received from 2 respected members (provable), so my word that I will forward to the buyer any payment for his bonds until he change the address may be enough, otherwise we can think about a fix. |
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I may consider your offer, but first I need confirmation from Gigavps that this can be done.
Obviously not according him, since it would mean less stolen shares for him. The question is: can he practically avoid it / know who is doing it? |
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Is it possible to have someone else claim my shares, if I allow it? Meaning can someone submit potentially multiple versions of this paper with different addresses (that you somehow seem to use as "unique keys" to the amount of shares we can claim)? If yes, I offer 0.5 BTC to anyone who claims my 4 shares, more info via PM.
I don't think this is legal, we are forced to sign that we own shares and I don't own your shares so how this is going to work !? It could be legal if you buy them before signing, and you could buy them off the counter with a simple contract between you and the seller. I have about 30 Gigamininig shares that I am willing to sell at 0.25 BTC each. PM me if interested. |
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You have just these 2 options to be honest with your investors: 1. Quote the company on another exchange, like other mining companies are going to do or: 2. Perform a buyback as per your contract, In both cases you have to perform full payment of 100% PPS until the buyback, since there is not any honest reason to not do that. Anything else is a scam. Remember that your bond holders are not some bum asking you for a pittance. They have all the rights to have the contract respected, since you took their money just for that (not because you are handsome). The holder of this bond will receive as coupons a number of bitcoins equivalent to 100% PPS output of ONE MILLION HASHES PER SECOND for as long as they hold the bond. This hashpower will be used in private computer systems owned by THE ISSUER and used in the process of "mining" bitcoins. All coupons will be paid timely (within 24 hours) after each change in difficulty (which occurs every 2016 blocks – approximately every 14 days). Coupons are not pro-rated; you must hold the share at time of coupon to be paid. All dates / times will be represented in UTC. In the event the cost of mining exceeds the value of coins mined, THE ISSUER may suspend mining operation for as long as it sees fit to mitigate potential loss, or indefinitely. THE ISSUER can buy back the bond at any time at a price equivalent to 105% of the highest price the bond was last traded on GLBSE over the previous 15 days (360 hours). Though THE ISSUER will use all reasonable efforts to ensure value for the holders of these bonds, they are provided on a best effort basis and as with any investment there is risk involved. Please do not invest what you cannot afford to lose. Liability of a bondholder is limited to the capital already invested when this share was purchased. *** This share does not represent ownership of any company *** |
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That chart is perfect.
No: it lacks "gay guy". They are the females' best friends. maybey gays are always nice, honest and funny? Then they should figure at the center of the chart |
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That chart is perfect.
No: it lacks "gay guy". They are the females' best friends. |
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Then if you want to be honest you should perform a buyback as per your OP: THE ISSUER can buy back the bond at any time at a price equivalent to 105% of the highest price the bond was last traded on GLBSE over the previous 15 days (360 hours). And anyway you should pay the cumulated dividends from the GLBSE closure up to the buyback. Otherwise is just another scam. |
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So should i be on Litecoins now? whats the profit with litecoins?
I dunno. Give it a crack. You can do it without installing anything just pointing your browser at: http://www.litecoinpool.org/minerJust get a litecoinwallet in advance. You can get one online LTC wallet at: https://btc-e.com/ |
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I doubt it will be long before CPU mining is unprofitable.
It's going to be difficult to be unprofitable with "free power" and any hardware ready to go. |
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It sucks, any advice?
Well, I phucked the girlfriend of someone else years ago. She was not better than the average at sucking, er... phucking. The best part was when I told about it to her boyfriend (like it was a joke, kind of: "I fucked her"), and HE laughed. I hope this answers your question. |
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This will still be the best mining related asset in any case  Yes. The + side of all the Nefario's mess is that who will come out of it maintaining their promise will gain lots of more rep, and vice versa, who will get the opportunity for a cheap backstabbing of their investors will have to change name or business (or both). And many investors will learn to think thrice before spreading their coins around. All is well. |
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You mean I can actually buy Bitcoins now without it being a complete bitch to do?
No, I presume they will only sell bitcoins to customers that have gone through all the identity checks. This is a way to get easily get rid of all your bitcoins in your favourite shop, again once you have gone through all the identity checks. Please correct me if I am wrong. So the other side of the (bit)coin is that the banksters and the eurocrats will know how many bitcoins you have in there, how do you trade them (capital gains? repent!) and above all they will be enabled to lock your bitcoin-backed credit card if you end in some black list of them. Thanks, but no thanks. After all these efforts and complications to get out from the banksters' matrix, it is ironic to get back at square 1. |
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Si sa solo che prima o poi gli ASIC usciranno. Non c'e' solo BFL in corsa.
Quindi o aspetti... o aspetti.
Con le VGA in italya mini in perdita (a meno che non ci scaldi pure casa come sto facendo io) e con gli FPGA non farai in tempo a rientrarci.
Se proprio vuoi i BTC comprali direttamente con il tuo budget.
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Drag Nefario to court & prove you are in the side of asset holders.
He will need to admit that he issued an illegal security and will be in a jail cell alongside nefario. Sounds legit. I vote to send all the bummers in jail |
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so there are no dividends for the period since the GLBSE closure?
and there will be no more?
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The contract specifically states that if I want to enact a buyback, I can, at the highest traded price on GLBSE over the last 15 days. The highest traded price on GLBSE over the last 15 days was 0. The highest traded price on MPEx over the last 15 days was around .03 BTC.
Even if we came to an agreement on price, I'd still need your information to make the payment and comply with federal regulations.
Try to scam harder: in order to be "traded" on GLBSE, GLBSE must be operating. So you can only refer to the price going when GLBSE was working. And now it is too late to ask for pseudo-legal b/s. You should have asked for it before taking our coins. |
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No one is trying to steal anything.
So tell me, what are you going to do with my coins since I have no intention of sending you my notarized ID nor signing anything? Return them to me? No? Well that in my dictionary is called stealing. If you would take the time to read anything I've posted, you'd know the PII information is to comply with US federal law along with the other reasons given. Tax IDs are to be able to file the necessary paperwork at year's end.
You cannot force me to accept anything while taking my money hostage. You made your original offer in the undergound economy and it is there that I want to remain. If you want to go legit under a new contract, perform a buyback and send me my coins back or you are a thieve. The contract was never in to Gigamining OP.
So what you deleted from your OP? And why Theymos reposted it, and it was found saying exactly what you was trying to negate in the same thread about your obligations? |
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