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1981  Economy / Economics / Re: How to double your money using BTC? on: September 24, 2017, 10:24:49 PM
There are many ways to double your money from low risk to high risk :
- High risk : 1 Click . It's dice. Deposit in Bitsler, primedice or Bitvest. Choose X2 then 1 click is all you need.
- Normal risk : Use it on trading but you need to learn a lots to get profit from trading.
- Low risk : Work by applying to signature campaign at the marker=> services.

Huh? Working on signature campaings are not a way to double your bitcoins... That is a job, and you are earning an income for being in one. It is just like if you had a real job, you are getting paid for it, you are not doubling your money because of your work. They are so different terms, and you are mixing them. I think that the fastest way to make a 2x is just gambling, if not.. then invest your money.
Gambling is the easiest way to lose your money, you are not going to double your money and even if you have heard stories of people that did it, they never tell you how long they have been playing and the amount of money they have lost over that time frame, and even if they did in fact double their money they just got lucky, in the long term they are going to become losers if they keep betting.
1982  Economy / Economics / Re: Can bitcoin improve the economy of a country? on: September 24, 2017, 10:21:32 PM
Bitcoin can not improve the economy of the country. This requires the actions of the authorities aimed at improving the economic situation in the country, and not the use of any currency.
Bitcoins are not just currency; they are mode of investments and earning as well. Bitcoins indeed all alone cannot improve the economy of a state until and unless government is not actively working to provide people with jobs. Up to some extent, bitcoins can improve economy but not too much.
Bitcoin can surely improve the economy of a country. I think Bitcoin has very good potential of helping the individuals to improve their life and also earn a good amount of money. I think it is now in the hands of Government like how they will take up this thing and whether they will do any positive steps in order to promote this Bitcoin or not.

How can bitcoin improve the economy of one country mean while their government never approve this thing? It id hard to say when you do not need to pay any taxes bit you can afford everything? Does government want to take this as mass killing machine? People can buy everything with their coin earned through bitcoin and everyonr accept that? For us it will be a good thing but how about the government?
Governments have too much power already and they do not seem to be content with that and want even more, bitcoin is something that gives power back to the people that is why we will see a strong opposition to it, governments need to get smaller and fulfill their initial purpose, to make people fulfill the law and to protect people from foreign threats and that is it.
1983  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ICO is officially banned in China !!! on: September 24, 2017, 10:18:10 PM
Well that's to be expected. China doesn't want anything to go under their noses without them having some kind of control. Though these icos admittedly can cause people to lose money as many of the are scams, btc is quite different as well as trusted alts like ether
Governments want to have control of their population but I think they are reaching a very dangerous level of power and if things keep going in this direction I will not be surprised if people rebel, not with violence but taking measures that do not allow a government to control them, encrypting their computers and communications to make it harder for governments to spy on their population and with the use of bitcoin they will avoid feeding the big governments that we have by denying them taxes.
1984  Economy / Economics / Re: Which country would be the first to eliminate fiat and convert to crypto fully? on: September 24, 2017, 10:14:20 PM
Which country would be the first to eliminate fiat and convert to crypto fully?  My guess is China...
China may not eliminate fiat but there is a possibility of China legalising bitcoin in the near future or maybe they are just trying to give preference to their own cryptos ,and trying to eliminate the scammers involved in the society as well. I dont see any other country making any move against crypto currency ,so its hard to say which country would even think about eliminating fiat because I dont see a reason why any country would eliminate their own currency.
China seems to be going on the opposite direction, with the banning of icos and their closer look to exchanges, it seems they are preparing the field for an outright ban on bitcoin and any cryptocurrency, I’m sorry for the Chinese citizens since any country that closes its doors to new technologies are left behind and they do not receive the benefits of it, that happened to china once and it seems that is going to happen again.
1985  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do I hold? on: September 24, 2017, 09:51:43 PM
I have recently took investing on poloniex serious. Ever since I've invested the alt coins have been down. Do the amount of coins I posses go up if I stay. Also, do I have to wait for the coins to go back to their original price that I bought fo in order to make a profit? What are the reasons to holding if prices are down? Thank-you.


Personally I always like to HODL eth. With alts I pick a price I would be happy selling at and if it reaches it I sell.

There are a lot of coins in my investment portfolio. And some of them have become cheaper, and some have grown significantly. I advise not to worry, because, all the Crypto currency is growing, even despite fluctuations

Its good that you have diversified your portfolio so that all eggs are not in one basket. A particular coin may flatter but investing in many coins will yield you good results provided you have invested in right coin. Also keep in mind that mostly value to altcoins depends upon btc, if btc moves up they also tend to move and other way around.

You are correct the only thing that I would add is that while bitcoin and altcoins tend to move in similar directions the speed at which they do is different, for example we saw bitcoin moving up in price but altcoins did not follow and that is why even if many altcoins kept the same price in dollars they were crashing in terms of bitcoin, however I think we are going to see altcoins moving up once again in a delayed move and then we are going to get prices similar to what we had a few months ago.
1986  Economy / Economics / Re: How many can resist selling off their BTC for huge profits? on: September 22, 2017, 10:00:47 PM
What percent of people do you think are able to resist selling their BTC when confronted with huge profits they've obtained.  Say 500% or more even?

In past this percentage was too low as many people sell their bitcoin savings as soon as the price goes high, but with the passage of time people began to realize that holding is more beneficial than to sell. To be honest no one knows the exact percentage of the people who can resist selling their BTC on huge profit but i am sure that the percentage is increased a lot (may be about 500% but not sure) during the past couple of years.
It's been proven as time passed by, is value can really increase. For those who are really into saving then we can really resist cashing out.  But if were into spending when it's value increases we are tempted to spend it.
Yeah. It very much depends on the nature of the investor. If he is kind of person who wastes money a lot then he can of course not resist cashing out bitcoins when they show some good pumps but wise man is never ever going to withdraw maximum bitcoins on little pumps. He is going to wait until bitcoins touch his target.

Yes of course. The price of bitcoin is around 4250$.Every investor only cash out dollar only they want money in emergency. You will get huge profit only if the price of bitcoin reaches the moon or peak.It very hard to brought a Bitcoin in future. But it's possible to keep the bitcoin coin.
I think it is the total amount of profit that counts.
If you invest one dollar and get six dollars for it one day, you have a profit of 500%.
That would be no reason to cash out for me.
But if I had invested 100K and got 500K profit, things would be different.

This, it is not only about the return on investment it is about absolute numbers as well, someone that invested 1 dollar in bitcoin when bitcoin reached the dollar parity now only has one bitcoin and while that is more than many members of the forum that is not a big amount, but if someone bought when bitcoin was 1000 dollars but he bought 100 BTC then it becomes a lot more difficult to keep holding thanks to the huge profits that you have in absolute terms.
1987  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why some people prefer Bitcoin over fiat ? on: September 22, 2017, 09:57:45 PM
Bitcoin is being used widely in porn sites, gambling and drug dealing sectors. Is that why the btc made for ? I have seen a lot of members in this forum discussing about buying drugs, gambling and enjoying porn with bitcoin. Is not it a misuse of a currency ? Block chain tech is a awesome tech and btc is getting popular. I hate these misuses of precious btc. It hurts me. This will lead into unhealthy society along with unhealthy future generation.

Yes they are the wrong group of people using bitcoin. If bitcoin is already used to buy drugs there may be a rule that will be issued to prohibit the use of bitcoin throughout the country. If that happens then it is certain that bitcoin will lead to death.
Such a ban may happen but it is not going to hold any water, the real reason behind a bitcoin ban coming from the governments will come from the fact that they are very afraid of all the possible changes that bitcoin is going to bring, a disruptive technology like bitcoin is going to change the way things are done, many people that have government jobs are probably going to lose them once bitcoin becomes widely used because there is not going to be any money to pay them and bitcoin will be able to replace most of those workers thanks to the blockchain.
1988  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: ETH - will it go lower on: September 21, 2017, 06:28:24 PM
It's currently $286 on coinmarketcap. I need to buy some ETH to participate in an ICO soon. Is now a good time to buy or do you think it will go down more in the next few days?
Right now the price is lower than that so you can take the opportunity and buy Ethereum, since you want it to buy into icos I suppose that you do not want to hold for the long term, while it is obvious that you want to maximize the amount of Ethereum that you can to get for your bitcoin I think you should not look too deeply into this, you are just wasting your energy, only watch a coin if you are going to be in for the long term.
1989  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: how to start trading with a very small amount on: September 21, 2017, 06:23:06 PM
Pick a coin that it's value is ranging from 1-10 sats. In that case, you won't lose too much if it goes down. But you need to research it to be sure.
That is a really low value, those coins have very low market caps, and unless a pump group decides to target such a coin you are most likely going to lose all your money by investing in such a project, you are better off investing in some projects that have a larger market cap but that are a lot more serious about the development of the project.
1990  Economy / Economics / Re: How long could bitcoin last? on: September 21, 2017, 06:06:37 PM
No one knows and no one can predits on how long bitcoin will be alive and kicking in the market,though bitcoins dominates todays market this will not last foreverfor sure and new currency will defeat bitcoin
While in theory this seems correct at the same time bitcoin is showing no signs that is getting weaker, yes the bitcoin dominance has gotten lower in this year but it was impossible to maintain that bitcoin dominance for a long time since the amount of coins that has appeared and the amount of projects that have a really great concept and developers will slowly undermine bitcoin dominance but they are nowhere close to bitcoin and I do not think that is going to change anytime soon.
1991  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoin in the moon!!! on: September 20, 2017, 06:22:58 PM
Not really understood about how the price be analyzed,
it s just jumping and higher now,
I was assuming it might need couple weeks Smiley
You never know, we may not be ready yet, but if at some point bitcoin becomes as fast as fiat then I do not see a reason why that could not happen, governments of the world mismanage their economies all the time, so if a country enters in a very serious economic crisis I will not be surprised if their citizens opted to adopt bitcoin instead of rely once again on their government.

Many people from poor countries have already come to bitcoin. They realized that bitcoin would make their life better. Every year, the number of bitcoin users is growing. It's too early to say that bitcoi has reached its maximum price. Soon we will see a new splash
Yeah, look at Venezuela and Argentina, in Argentina there were a lot of devaluations and the amount of dollars that you could have was limited at some point so people began to use bitcoin to avoid that, and in Venezuela is the same, but their government has made mining illegal and I do not know if holding is an offense as well but people are willing to take the risk if that means they have money to buy food.
1992  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Which Coins has Decentralised Exchange Tech. in their Roadmap? on: September 20, 2017, 06:13:11 PM
I am sure the regulation to ban ico is only temporary.
still remember you guys, if i'm not mistaken that russia ever banned ico in 2014 ??
but now what is happening is the russians love crypto, its government supports and many new projects emerging from russia.
I think you are right, but we must not count on that, we must expect the best but we must prepared for the worst, it is obvious that governments are going to try to regulate exchanges to oblivion so we need decentralized exchanges more than ever so I hope those projects see the window of opportunity it is opening for them and take advantage of it.
1993  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin be replaced by another cryptocurrency? on: September 20, 2017, 06:08:31 PM
I think it is very likely, now all the people that make the coins and they cooperate with one another to strengthen communities, an example is the Ethereum, there are many developers who utilize network ethereum.
Can bitcoin be replaced? Yes, is it likely? No, the only coin that is close to bitcoin is ETH, and even that coin is very far away in terms of market cap, but when it comes to actual usage there is no competition bitcoin is at the top by far and that is going to remain like that for a very long time and if bitcoin gets major adoption then it is going to be almost impossible to replace bitcoin.
1994  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What are the 3 thing you look for in an ICO? on: September 19, 2017, 05:28:15 PM
I only check one thing before I buy an ICO... if Paris Hilton is buying Huh
lol. I just check how many people had invested in this ICO. Cheesy then buy.
I loled as well, who in their right mind is going to invest in a coin in which Paris Hilton seem to be the image of the coin, she is good at selling perfumes and stuff like that but crypto? Anyway how many people have invested in the ico is important if too many people have invested then that is not good but if too few people invested that is not good either.
1995  Economy / Speculation / Re: BITCOIN DUMP - CHINESE ARE OFFLOADING... on: September 19, 2017, 05:23:56 PM
The Chinese are sly little bastards. First they drive the price into the ground with scare tactics and scoop up a lot of cheap crypto and then when the price recovers and hits a new high they will sell it back to the people they have bought it from for a nice profit lol. Chinese economics 101  Grin
This is not strange, the Chinese government has been accused of being a currency manipulator, they keep the price of their currency depressed so that does not hurt their exports to other countries, so I do not think it is weird that they have found a way to manipulate the price of bitcoin in order to benefit from it, this is something people need to learn and avoid selling when a dump like that is underway.
1996  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What services you wanna see with Bitcoin ? on: September 19, 2017, 05:20:28 PM
Movies ? gambling sites ? exchanges ? what kind of service you want to see involved with Bitcoin more ? 
Not only in movies but i see bitcoin that will be more implemented not only in online store but ofcourse to those physical store that will accept bitcoin soon starbucks , those airlines , banks, all big store like super markets but i mostly preferred that is to have an atm machine for Bitcoin where you can withdraw you coins anytime you want.
A bitcoin ATM will be great, there is not a single one in my country if a single ATM was put in my country and it was in my city that will be a game changer to me because it will give to me an easy way to withdraw my bitcoins to cash without having to go through centralized exchanges or through localbitcoins buyers, I do not know how good the rates could be but I suppose it will be better than the rates people give to me.
1997  Economy / Economics / Re: Which country would be the first to eliminate fiat and convert to crypto fully? on: September 19, 2017, 05:13:27 PM
Apart from the small micronations such as Talossa and Liberland, I don't think that any of the established nations will declare Bitcoin as their national currency. Because it can lead to many complications. And the high volatility of Bitcoin is another problem.
I agree to that. There is no reason for a decent country to declare bitcoin as their main currency and eliminate the fiat because if they are going to go for bitcoin in full force then they will have a hard time in managing the money that they will have in bitcoin because it will not become easy for them to manage money since the price is not stable and it can drop or increase anytime.
That’s true up to some extent. I don’t think so managing bitcoins will be an issue but bitcoins are limited in number and there are not properties of any single person or a state. So it does not add up if some country really makes them her national currency. National currency criteria are really different.
At this moment that will be a bad idea, bitcoin is great but there are still many things that need to be resolved before a country is going to adopt bitcoin as their national currency, the two most important are will the lighting network be activated anytime soon? And the second is if there is going to be another fork in November? There may be more but those two are the most important issues.
1998  Economy / Economics / Re: Can bitcoin improve the economy of a country? on: September 19, 2017, 05:10:53 PM
Until now I've never heard that there are countries that help the economy because bitcoin, if it can make someone rich maybe yes, but that does not mean help nationally.
The national economy of each country is made of individuals so while an individual getting rich may not seem like a great help to the economy the truth is that is good for it, even if the big indicators are not going to move an inch because of that, if enough individuals went through the same then the economy as a while of the country will improve, besides when you spend money you stimulate your economy because every dollar that you spend and that you got from bitcoin is a dollar that is entering the economy for the first time.
1999  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do I hold? on: September 18, 2017, 08:33:52 PM
I am now sure that investment to bitcoin and different ICO with more trust factor we can gain thousands of dollars each week or month depending on how perfect you handle the whole thing. So yeah we must hold the coins that we invest in, as they are going to grow at some point for sure. :-)

I do sincerely hope that the ICOs you advise are not with companies registered in China? Of course you know about the stringent Chinese regulations and ban hitting so many exchanges now with investors losing money. I am affected too.


Its like that I trade etherium when the price is 0.14 then its going down and down into 0.7, 2 months that I hold never going up, I should cut my loses. Well you should never hold altcoins for long trade only for short trade.
Your mistake was not to hold altcoins your mistake was to buy at an all time high, if you instead avoided buying at that time and bought today you will have great chances of profiting in the next months, but if you decide to hold I think you are going to need to wait a few years before we see a price as high as the one we saw a few months ago for ETH.

No one knows for certain that after a coin hits ATH that it won't break the resistance and soar more. So, the advice of don't buy high is merely a suggestion. We only get to know that we actually bought it sold when we shouldn't from hindsight after the lagging indicators would've drawn up setups after the trades.
No one knows for sure but there are indicators that suggest that you should no longer buy, and when an all time high is reached the indicators are there, but people decide to ignore them because they think the price is going to keep skyrocketing until it does not, anyway ETH is going to change to Proof of Stake in the future maybe that will make the price go higher if people agree with that change.
2000  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ICO is officially banned in China !!! on: September 18, 2017, 08:29:21 PM
It was a matter of time, in fact I’m a little surprised that this did not happen before, maybe the Chinese are very busy on something else, even some member of the forum were asking for solutions about a way to stop or at least reduce the number of scam icos appearing in the forum and it seems that the Chinese government is going to help with that, since less money is going to flow to icos.

I think they may have been looking at crypto's already starting when they investigated the fake trading volumes around Feb-March this year. And when the price ballooned to $4000-$5000 this month, they can no longer ignore if. So they step up specially stopping fake or scam ICO, specially that a lot of Chinese has been investing on it ever since. I guess they just want to protect their people against it, but the timing of the declaration is somewhat off.
That is just an excuse, they will try to say that it is for your own good when the only reason they are doing this is to protect themselves and to avoid losing their grip on the population, that is why the Chinese were investing in bitcoin, altcoins and icos in the first place since it allowed them to get a way from that iron fist control they experiment everyday in their lives.
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