Hi everyone it's been a while!  Been doing some other things and decided I need to build another rig.  But the RX 570's seem to be sold out everywhere.

Any good tips on whee I should be looking? Newegg and Aamazon seem to be failing me.

I have been busy with other project's lately.  Was it a small batch?  I just thought I would see a lot more hand's on type threads if big launch.

I really hope it makes it out.  I still remember the L1 I ordered long long ago that they ended up canceling orders.   I would like to see this L3 make it out to public and also see some first hand's of what people think of it.

The "coming soon" of title does seem to be off.  And you might be right about not going directly to public. If they have made it and no real compitation out there it might make sense for them to mine them for a certain amount of time, then sell them.  As chances are they can still sell them down the road even if used.

There are also some articles out there on making your own rom's.  I did that personally as I like to see what is changing/happening.    I would agree on RX models being pretty easy if done right to get extra power (Disclaimer any flashing does have a possible brick chance, but so far I have not bricked a single one from flashing).

I think GPU mining is here to stay always will be some coin that remains popular, all we need is asic resistant coin's like some out there.  My advice is only invest what you can lose, and also look into buying those part's separate normally when someone sells a pre-built system it's higher then building on your own.  With gamer market always being there I view GPU mining as a little "safer" then asics just due to resell.

I would REALLY look at a different option on some.  You will never make near what the 180 is on this were talking not even close.  You could use a RPI 3 without kit and just get parts you need. 

I think you could find a powered hub for cheaper, and for one compac unless OCing you will not need the fan.   On Compacs it appears secondary market is pretty high to spend 70 dollars on it.  If you can wait you can look at sidehacks current project for about 1/2 the price - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1718358.0 . 

So that would be my advice streamline the RPI and get just what you need.  Wait for sidehack on his next project as it just makes financial sense.  And look at hubs and see if you can find one for lower price.  But you can do something to learn much much cheaper then 180 dollars for a learning setup.

The sharing of phone number is a little bit of a red flag.  I think it is a neat looking piece of hardware and am excited to see phil's review on it.   The two things I have trouble with

*Trusting a new company in this space.  Just so many scam's start out good and then vanish.  They really are going to fight a uphill battle to become trusted.  And the sharing of phone number in thread is interesting.  
*Is resell value as you will be only selling it as a miner.  Even if everything go 100 percent good you could loose a decent amount of cash not being able to sell GPU's off one by one.   And not to mention losing warranty that the GPU's come with that is a pretty big thing to lose.

So really cool idea but not sure it makes sense for most of us miner's.  If you were to start a industrial GPU farm I can see a possible market.  But I don't think it will be for the common hobby miner.  

For a while I have been back into GPU.  The thing about it is we own the equipment so time/work/effort there is something there we can control.  I LOVED vps mining days but it was so quick/fast as abused bargin VPS sites.   I mean you could ROI instant on some which was just to good to last.  And it was not running it for cents in profit when it happened.

If someone set's up where ever this "free" vps is most likelly you will spend time/effort and they will ban it.  As unless its a trial who provides a good free VPS that is reliable and allows high usage? It is just to good to be true.  Don't get me wrong it could be a way to learn something and good to become out of it.  But if wanting to try for profit look into GPU.  

I think most will be promo's some run like EC2 that you can run decent amount of cores without ban.  Anything that mentions like OP lifetime, or is a "bargin" type vps i know it's not popular not but Digital Ocean was the hot one when VPS mining hit it's small window (you can look it up lot's of old threads on running there). 

It was a ton of fun... but it's been over a long time.  If anyone does some ROI math most is cent's.   If you are making dollars I think you would be spending so much more in fee's.  I would love to see some math behind anyone thinking of doing it. 

VPS mining has not made sense for a very very long time.   It really was really fun but a short lived mining (for the most part).  There was a TON of digital ocean long ago but they figured out pretty quick and banned users as high usage.  Almost all have a clause to shut down users that are high usage user's that are budget ones.

And even if you found a budget one that would allow mining I have not seen one for year's that made financial sense to use a VPS to mine.   I personally would suggest to anyone to look into building a GPU unit at their own place over trying to mine CPU on a VPS.  Even if you had say a free trial I would be surprised if you make much on CPU more then a number that is in the cents.

The one's I have had since LTC day's I have.  Amazing how long some of them have lasted on part's.   But I personally love USB riser's if I build a rig anymore.  You get extra space to spread out card's.  It looks much cleaner.   

Either will work but once you try USB risers I think most will like them better.   Just so many advantages at least for me.

I think the problem is they want to deal with only huge fish as buyer's.  In past it seemed hobby/home miner's were not really target market.   I mean they announced long ago they would sell the lightbulb they had.  I would have loved one for the heck of it, but nothing ever came of it.

I hope I am wrong and sidehack is able to get a source of chips, as I have enjoyed his compacs very much and would enjoy a 16nm from him.  But I would agree until sidehack say's he has chips in hand I would not go crazy buying S1's.

At one time they were a huge advance in asic mining.  The original block erupter's were really the only real time people might have been ROI'ing on them.  And that cold vary on if they sold them, and when.  I know I had 50 or 60 going at one time.   All of which I sold eventually.   But was a fun time.

Anymore it really is going to be a lotto machine/learning with usb sticks.  They just cost to much vs the big machines on hash.   So getting started to learn not a bad thing you can also get a RPI and learn a little Linux if not familiar with it.  So lot's of good learning possible for some.  But if profit is what your shooting for I would not look at usb sticks.  With today's asic's it really is kinda all about having cheap electricity.

I think college got me where I did not copy/paste, as even if notes and you forget to remove it was had to go in front of some honor board.  I never had any issues as I did not copy/paste.

Don't know if a report is possible but on new forum they might see if adding some automatic copy/paste searching software is possible.  I know in most big assignment teacher's would have assistant's scan in paper's or you had to upload digital copy and it automatically searched and came out with a report that was pretty impressive.  I think the school's paid a good amount of money for software so not sure how practical implementing something like it in the forum would be.

I'm not sure this is alway's true there are a few coin's if I would have listened I would have mad massive profit's.  Then again I would have lost on almost all of them.  So a few diamonds in  there... but hitting them very very hard.

One thing to add is if you see referral take even less notice.  Some do referral spam saying X is great! Here use my link.    I pretty much do ignore all of those.

He said he wished there was one, I would not expect to see one.  It was great work on you guy's finding them as they lead to utter crap post's.   But I think any system rewarding catching copy/paste could be abused.

Someone copy/pastes on a account then turns it in... could be profit if bounty.   So I think "bad guys" make any system of bounty hard to implement. And I could be wrong but I think a few would abuse it and ruin for all.

The S9 I have had good luck with but I would not consider it a quiet miner.  You must be downclocking it a way's to get it even close to quiet.  And also most at this point use server PSU's on them and they are not quiet for most part either.  These are not problems for me with my mining area but a S7/S9 in some places might be to loud.   There are some who have made boxes or other things to help soundproof and that can make a difference.

But if quiet is what your looking for there are some older generation stuff that are much more quiet.  Or wait and hope to see more of R4.   But hard to predict what is happening there so would not build a "mining center" waiting on R4's.

But OP you need to go into so much more detail's and you really are going to have to do a lot of research to.  We really cannot set up your mining area , but can help on some aspect's.  But again need a lot more info.  I suggest reading some other threads on this or look at picture thread for idea's.  Come back with what you want, budget, etc.  And you will find much better help.

One thing coming up for many miner's is winter in not to much longer.  We have made it through a lot of summer already.  But we would really need to know where you are and climate.

Personally best cooling I think is evaporation if you can use it.  But I live where climate makes evaporation cooling not a option.  So I use what most do and that is high CFM fan's to push the heat and a commercial exhust.  I used standard attic exhust and I just got to hot so that is what made me go commercial and yes it put's out some air.  You can read from a summer ago me battling heat - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1020826.new#new .  I do have a assortment of fan's at this point but main two I use are Utilitech Pro 24 inch (7860 CFM), and a Utilitech Pro 36 (12,000 CFM).  This will be overkill for most out there though as again it depends on how many watt's you plan on using making heat mining.

It all depends aswell on how many miner's you have as the more miner's the more heat.  Also keep in mind you need to be able to handle the electricity, if you plan on decent size most places are not wired up for it and you will need to get some wiring done.  So there can be some setup cost's cooling, wiring, PDU's, shelves, etc it can add up but most one time investment.


Again setup cost's we simply cant know as we don't have enough information.  We also don't know how many watt's of gear your planning on using or how much electrical capacity you have.   Also you mention different prices if you do a decent amount of miner's it could possibly bring you out of that cheap electricity you mention houses have there.  We don't know since we don't have electric plan/information.   We do not even know your budget which is important.

You hare going to have to do a LOT of legwork to look at running a mine earning thousand's a month as you mention or more.    You might be able to find local miner to help  and consult.  But again as some have said it's not a get rich quick scheme.  I say set down and make a business plan of it, and also start small don't jump in hoping for thousands.  Keep in mind earning thousands and profiting thousands are two massively different things too.

I don't know much about them, I can say before buying I would want a video showing it working and also pool side shown.  Then I would want to read a few reviews to see what others think of it.   I have only purchased once during devlopment... terrahash long long ago and learned lesson and paypal saved my butt on that one.  So if were talking about trust to purchase... no not yet.

And it could be me but https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317180.msg16681727#msg16681727 look a lot like some old S5 part's for chassis.  And I could be wrong it's been a while since I have had one.  But that makes me wonder even if work's if still in prototype stage vs production.

But again I have not followed them closely, I would love to see more miners out there.  But I'm a skeptic at this point with new gear I know little of.   And no offense was meant by that to OP.  It just is there is a lot more they could show assuming that unit works.

It is 1/2 right now talking about payment's.  I don't see a whole lot of troubleshooting for win 10 so I can see his question as valid.  I posted a error and never saw an anwser.

So if you are able to link to Win 10 instructions/troubleshooting instead of saying to read this huge thread... it would be much more helpful.

Anyone on window's 10 having issues?  I can't seem to get past above: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1660023.msg16723021#msg16723021

What OS are the one's working mining with?