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gulden is dead
Can you confirm that dead. In my phone still all in order   I did not realize Gulden had a middle class investor? I thought majority of the community was on welfare or looking to make 1-3% profit and sell. Maybe there is hope after all. |
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Hello ,
I was a gulden enthousiast...
Your experience is not unique. I sometimes ask myself what the hell is going on in Rijk Plasman's head. Maybe he met a bad accident at a young age. Rijk is like a over protective father and Gulden is his daughter. A lot of guys want to fuck his daughter but he blocks them before they can get in. He really hates the rich guys using money to try get his Gulden in the sack and he kicks them out. Rijk might be many things but one thing he is not, is good at marketing. |
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In my opinion, Gulden is famous and reliable crypto currency. It is traded on many exchanges. It was conceived as the national crypto currency of the Netherlands. It cost about two cents in 2016 аnd for a year the price has grown five times. Gulden is a long-term growth perspective, it will only grow in price. Gulden can be quickly exchanged for any other crypto currency or conventional money. That`s because it is a good investment.
Gulden can also be instantly converted into fiat thanks to Nocks+Bunq! By using the your Bunq iban on the Gulden app you can get your guldens exchanged into euros instantly and spend it using the debit card. Let me debunq that It is traded on many exchanges.
No it's not! Only on Bittrex and Nocks (I don't regard Yobit an Exchange) It cost about two cents in 2016 аnd for a year the price has grown five times.
No, Bitcoin grew 15x to the Dollar, that's the only reason Gulden grew 5 times to the Dollar. Relatively any investment in Gulden as opposed to Bitcoin made you a 200% loss. Gulden can also be instantly converted into fiat thanks to Nocks+Bunq!
Only if you are an account holder with Bunq! Compared to Bitcoin, that is instantly convertible on many platforms around the world, that is a pathetic accomplishment! Since Nocks also was wise enough to stop converting bitcoin payments with the Gulden app, it became even more useless! A lot is resting on this PoW2 and SegSig update. I feel sorry for the dev team and community. |
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The Gulden Community has sent information packages to shops in the Netherlands who already accept bitcoin, in an effort to inform them of a working alternative, Gulden, which is actually cheaper than regular payment methods.
The package includes a welcome letter, card display, cards, window stickers and install guide.
Bitcoin has been real bad for merchants, they not getting any business through bitcoin transactions and they might think the same will occur with Gulden, but as I mentioned in a earlier post people might be willing to spend their Gulden cause the Euro value doesn't do much. |
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Nocks is going to prevent a price increase with Gulden next release. We can't create account anonymously. Will traders on Nocks sell on bittrex to increase price on Nocks?
The main purpose of Nocks was to prevent fast price increases and keep it more stable to the Euro. Consider Gulden as a Ferrari you buying at 10% of the value because rich anonymous traders can't pump the price and marketing is non existent. Concider buying Bitcoin in stead of Gulden a year ago, you could buy a real Ferrari by now! Bitcoin has been a good store of value but any shop I walk into that accepts bitcoin say they not getting any people buying using their bitcoin and who would since the value keeps going up and up. I think Rijk wants a stable price for Gulden so people don't have to fear that when they spend their Gulden the next day it's going to be worth 20% - 100% more. Then they can buy back in the next day at a similar value. Merchants are noticing this about Gulden and why more merchants are adding Gulden as payment method. It does suck for people who want to make huge profits but as a currency Gulden is performing better then bitcoin as it's more stable. Marketing of Gulden sucks but with marketing would come more price fluctuations. I don't know anymore maybe Rijk has thought about this and why the marketing is non existent. |
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Nocks is going to prevent a price increase with Gulden next release. We can't create account anonymously. Will traders on Nocks sell on bittrex to increase price on Nocks?
The main purpose of Nocks was to prevent fast price increases and keep it more stable to the Euro. Consider Gulden as a Ferrari you buying at 10% of the value because rich anonymous traders can't pump the price and marketing is non existent. |
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BTW, this excludes the 680BTC he managed to pull from the shares!
Rijk can only be accused of one thing and that is his terrible approach to marketing. In the old slack in was mentioned the btc was converted to Euros straight away and most of that btc came when btc was under $1000. It's still a lot of money but not close to the $4 million you been claiming. When the marketing problems are sorted out everyone will be smiling and I do agree the main developer for Gulden is the best in crypto right now. This will be proven to the world with the PoW2 and SegSig combined update. No other coin would release 2 gigantic updates in one release. Dev has serious balls! |
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P.s. My personal glaskugel is still saying €0,30 end this year and €1,- 1st of April. (But that obviously includes the updates).
Did your glaskugel also say who is going to buy? The devs moved away completely with the slack action from crypto community, so why should a normal person on the street give rats @ss about the coming updates? I personally think you should be already happy if it sees €0,10 again (after the update) that's a whopping 30% increase....which normal people instantly take profit. Pandering to mainstream users is a double edge sword because 5-10% profit is like winning a Jackpot when you don't get any interest in your bank accounts. Crypto users are different, they need 300% profits before they consider selling which is why most of the coins in top 100 can experience these gains. It is true that Gulden has in ratio one of, if not the poorest community for the number of users it has. Stratis for instance has far less users but a much higher price for 2 reasons. 1. Users are rich and don't mind holding. 2. They don't have any mining rewards, 100% premine. |
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Lets be honest, most of the crypto community is unpatient. Most of them do not actually want real marketing. They want fast marketing, even unthruthful if needed, for a weak product to dump @10x-20x
When you think about it, Gulden, even with such little marketing has created more awareness outside crypto than many other coins.
Rijk decided to go is way and take is distance from most crypto communities, can u really blame him? And, actually most critics are not critics, they are just frustrated opinions, who do not like Rijk way of doing things.
Whereas a lot of devs and CEO he is still here and doing is work. The fact that he wants to protect himself and think long term, is totally ok, why shouldn´t it be?
Think big or go home!
Marketing is not only social media presence. Think about it marketing is already 10 times better than most of the coins out there, and the serious part as not even started. There is not point in advertising if the product is not ready. Time will tell, but if Gulden becomes huge, then Rijk strategy was spot on!
Rijk uses slaves for devs and targets the poorest people in the streets. Why else does the ranking on coinmarketcap keep dropping? Down to 128, it was 120 yesterday. The trend is not good. Why not market to the large btc holders instead of people with no money?  "...targets the poorest people in the streets" First, street advertising or mass marketing has not even really started. And, there are not only poor people on the streets! "Rijk uses slaves for devs..." wow...please explain...If so I think Rijk slaves have more BTC and Gulden then most people in crypto. Which would mean that being Rijk´s slaves is actually not so bad! Target large BTC holders, that is a very creative strategy! Please do go deeper... Large BTC holders are the future richest people on earth, getting at least 5 of them to support your project will be worth more then 10 000 peasants who will cash out at 5% - 15% profits as was posted by TimBurton on the Gulden slack. Mainstream people with fiat think anything greater then 5% profit is reason to sell everything, crypto investors at least wait for 100-1000% profits, they allow the price to grow. More crypto investors that believe in your project the stronger the foundations of this coin will be. Rijk turning his back on crypto investors is dangerous and looking at the CMC rankings Gulden could of been doing far better then it is now. GRS without any marketing is higher then Gulden but GRS respected BTC investors with deep pockets and it's paying off. Rijk is like the saviour for the downtrodden. Gulden does have a lot of users , more then most cryptos but they ordinary people with small bank accounts. With the old slack it was traders in the trading channel dumping on 5% profits and buying in at 10% lower then what they sold for. At this stage they buying more gulden and winning by forcing the price down at the expense and health of the coin. Biomike also made 90 000 NLG trading on the down. Aslong as these negative forces exist it will be hard for Gulden to be a top 20 ranked coin. |
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Thank you Jean.Luc for posting Gulden news here, will you please keep us posted about the latest news for Gulden as I won't be joining the new slack. Salute. |
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The timing for the PoW2 and SegSig update could not be worse if they plan to release this month. Every decision the devs have made always ends up with bad timing. I do acknowledge it's bad luck involved but if they focussed on PoW2 and did the update it would of been very good for the price and Gulden would of gotten more recognition.
SegSig delayed this project by 3 months and while it's a good update who is going to care when bitcoin prices are going to the moon? No one will notice this update.
With Slack there was users signing up to spam advertise ICO scams. I won't be joining the new slack but I don't blame the devs for having to go this route.
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This is the kind of mentality Gulden has to deal with, not sure how the price will ever increase. From slack Bought a lot the last few days, had a nice average price of around 1550/1600, sold them this morning for 1700, expected this drop a bit. Think I'll buy back in again Keep the bids below 1700 or this guy will dump on us again. He was planning to rebuy in at low 1500s, not many if any sales went that low after he sold. We might be lucky that he is out the way now but there might be other traders that premature on 5-6% profit. I agree in putting low bids to try get coins off the traders that have to survive on these small profit margins. EDIT: I have noticed a build up of 3.8 btc to 2000, traders are buying and placing higher sales. Don't fall for the trap! Force them to sell for a loss. |
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This is the kind of mentality Gulden has to deal with, not sure how the price will ever increase. From slack Bought a lot the last few days, had a nice average price of around 1550/1600, sold them this morning for 1700, expected this drop a bit. Think I'll buy back in again |
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I'm concerned with making more BTC. I haven't put any fiat into crypto since 2015, so I must buy NLG with BTC. So yes, NLG is cheaper that way.
That means everything is depended on BTC's price which makes me wonder if you will make a move or not before the fork as there might be a dump and won't see these sat levels anymore  but good luck to you The bitcoin fork has everyones attention. The Gulden slack has not had 1 new registration for over a week and before there was over 10 new users joining daily. |
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Gulden will always play second fiddle to something. I can't see it replacing BTC, not even in the Netherlands, and when European regulation will be made I don't believe it will favor Gulden.
I would agree but PoW2 changes this, it gives Gulden secure 1 conf transactions and people can earn interest on their coins by being a witness. The telegram group is getting frustrated with the delay in PoW2 not because of how long it's taking but because they know what a huge moment it will be for Gulden. The other concern is that some other coin comes up with the same idea as Gulden as the whitepaper has been out for awhile and Gulden will move to second fiddle. The choice is simple, release PoW2 with some bugs but be first or release a bug free version but not be first. The SegSig decision could be bad if it's the reason the release is being delayed. SegSig is good for long term because it will keep the blockchain 58% smaller and allow ordinary people to participate longer as a node then compared to bitcoin and eth whos blockchains are already exceptionally large and out of reach from users with limited storage space. |
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What's Gulden's unique selling point though? Is there anything BTC or one of the other major currencies can't do?
a few things come to mind. check this out for a quick comparison: https://dev.gulden.com/besides that.. Gulden is on a EUR - NLG exchange (nocks) companies are accepting Gulden in Holland. Those may have not supported Bitcoin or any other crypto at first. you can use Gulden to purchase at places that accept Bitcoin. Gulden will then automatically be exchanged to BTC. obviously that's not an advantage over BTC but it does bring an advantage over most other altcoins. In fact most altcoins are quite useless compared to Gulden. All wallets are HD, desktop wallet uses new account system for privacy. You can also link your mobile wallets to your desktop wallets so you can control all your funds from within the desktop wallet. There is also other things I can't think off the top of my head but the marketing of what Gulden offers is non existent which is a blessing in disguise or the price would be much much much higher. However the big differences are coming in the next release with PoW2 (Witnessing) and SegSig (58% saving on transactions = more transactions per block and smaller blockchain) |
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We all know btc moving up is kryptonite for Guldens sat price but the Euro price has not dropped that much. Btc can't go up forever or can it? |
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A low price is good business for the Euro purchasing volume. Nocks and Guldentrader doing good business with traders forcing the price down. Nocks and Guldentrader make more money when the price is low.
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I see all these 100% premined ICOs have a high marketcap because mining isn't pushing down the prices. I think if this coin stopped all mining it would go to $500 million marketcap very quickly because it has much more users and usage then the ICOs and It will give gulden more volume but whales are waiting for proof that PoW2 is coming in November.well done.
lol interesting point. i hope this has been taken into consideration by the devs. plans for pow2 have been made a long time ago but obviously it would be worth to reconsider things once in a while. i'm confident they got it under control though It is true ICOs have a major advantage in marketcap because there is no selling pressure from miners, miners will need to catch a wake up and start supporting the coins they mine because a lot of mining coins values on coinmarketcap have gone to shit and you can bet any new coin created now won't ever bother with PoW because it's too hard to get into the top 100 if you don't have a few early btc adopters prepared to support high and unsustainable prices. ICOs are going to kill off innovation because developers won't be prepared to put in effort to not be in the top 100 and their coins won't be noticed. Over 70 coins in the top 100 are ICOs. I agree if Gulden stopped all mining it would skyrocket because people would see the price rising fast and everyone will want to jump in, it will get plenty attention in the Dutch newspapers and other parts of Europe. |
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https://www.nocks.com/trade Coinmarketcap is only showing a little over $1000 volume but the exchange is doing over $23000 , is this going to be sorted out? I expect Nocks to do greater volumes then bittrex by next week as there is much more Euros available to trade then bitcoin. It will be important for this volume to reflect correctly on coinmarketcap to bring more users and exposure to Gulden. Nocks volume has been fixed on Coinmarketcap, it does look set to become Gulden's largest volume exchange until crypto traders get burnt on the all hype ICOs that are all promises with no delivery. |
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