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21  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] [SUN] | SolarBankers | Solar Energy Trading Platform on: August 08, 2017, 07:28:42 PM
Very cool concept, I am a huge supporter of solar energy! I met these guys in London, at the Crypto Financing conference held last July. Solar Bankers business is sound and they have so many projects in the pipeline! I am sure they will be successful! You have a big fan in me!  Grin Cheesy Good luck!

Why are you not investing then Olivia1988 (Newbie account with only 1 post)
22  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] [SUN] | SolarBankers | Solar Energy Trading Platform on: August 08, 2017, 07:26:36 PM
Check out the guys from VALCOR here: http://valcorpr.com/#







the page seems to be update last time in 2015.
Do you have some independet news about your cooperation. Meaning a plublic news from Valcor.
Does this company still exist?
23  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] [SUN] | SolarBankers | Solar Energy Trading Platform on: August 05, 2017, 10:46:14 PM
Hi team,

Just a question about the patented nano foil technology:
How did you get the patent from the US company Solar Bankers while you say that your name is also Solar Bankers.
For reference a link to read:
https://www.solarserver.de/solar-magazin/nachrichten/archiv-2013/2013/kw05/photovoltaik-unternehmen-solar-bankers-und-apollon-wollen-die-solar-industrie-mit-neuem-konzentrator-modul-revolutionieren.html

Please provide the link to your patent ownership and explain why you have the same name as the US company which is the original patent owner.

Thanks

The ICO is a project of Solar Bankers Singapore, a Singaporean company that the owners of Solar Bankers LLC founded for legal purposes. The patent of the film is own by Mr. Jost, CEO and Founder of both Solar Bankers and Solar Bankers Singapore.

I cannot find anything about a company "Solar Bankers Singapore" and why should "Solar Bankers Singapore" use the web page of "Solar Bankers LLC" for it's ICO sale and delete all information from Solar Bankers LLC from its web page. There is no sense in it. I'm sure until Monday the guys from Solar Bankers LLC will have solved the issue and I will check how much money you will have managed to steal. Currently it is about $ 7000.
24  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] [SUN] | SolarBankers | Solar Energy Trading Platform on: August 05, 2017, 10:34:37 PM
How stupid is this ICO scam?
Just to send coins to an address without any prove.
If you want to steal you need to be more intelligent haha haha

From the hacked web page:
Step 4: Send your tokens (BTC or ETH) to the addresses below.
Bitcoin: 12oR7ykZ4cTzvph2GMNaUCYtnoBNAd8Txr
Ethereum: 0x7E3b5d7EcB9347D2afB0e0A3D3F0991452D8B6Ce

We are happy to provide any proof you might want. Ask and it will be given. We put our faces and our reputation on this project, we will demonstrate that we are a serious and professional team. 

For starters, you need an ICO platform and Ethereum contract. You just expose the BTC and Ether addresses for receiving coins and there is no escrow. It is all very suspicious and anything but professional. I'm very surprised because hackers would have done a better job.
25  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] [SUN] | SolarBankers | Solar Energy Trading Platform on: August 05, 2017, 09:04:09 PM
How stupid is this ICO scam?
Just to send coins to an address without any prove.
If you want to steal you need to be more intelligent haha haha

From the hacked web page:
Step 4: Send your tokens (BTC or ETH) to the addresses below.
Bitcoin: 12oR7ykZ4cTzvph2GMNaUCYtnoBNAd8Txr
Ethereum: 0x7E3b5d7EcB9347D2afB0e0A3D3F0991452D8B6Ce
26  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] [SUN] | SolarBankers | Solar Energy Trading Platform on: August 05, 2017, 08:37:04 PM
Introducing SunChain
by Solar Bankers Singapore

The First Decentralized Electricity Network based on Solar Energy and Blockchain

Built on the Skyledger Blockchain




Website
 
Discord | Telegram | Slack | Facebook | Twitter | Github


Read our Whitepaper: http://solarbankers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Solarbankers_whitepaper_Vers1.pdf



Download SunCoin Wallet
Windows:
Mac: http://solarbankers.com/suncoin-0.18.0-gui-osx-x64.dmg



PRE-ICO OPEN NOW!
Enjoy 86% off

Open until end of stock. Sale not open to US and Singapore citizens and residents.


What is SunChain?

Find out more on our site: http://solarbankers.com/

SunChain is a first-of-its-kind global decentralized energy network which allows consumers to generate clean energy in their homes using Solar Bankers’ photovoltaic technologies and trade electricity profitably with their neighbors. Members of the SunChain install SolarBankers’ energy-generating equipment to produce electricity, which they can either use of their daily life, store, or sell to their neighbors through smartmicro-grids. This system allows homeowners to reduce the cost of electricity and enables each and every user to profit from solar energy.







   
   
   
   
   
Decentralized Power Generation
   
No Middle Man
   
Low Distribution Cost
   
    The Solar Bankers SunChain system allows everyone to produce and sell electricity. The price is set by the market and changes according to supply and demand.    Producers and consumers, who are normally serviced by a utility company, subscribe to smart contracts, which are blockchain-based agreements that help exchange value in a transparent and conflict-free way without the need of intermediaries.    Electricity is generated on-site and distributed among the members of the community with short-range cables, which dramatically reduces the cost of transportation.   
                           
   
   
   
   
   
Secure & Transparent
   
0 Greenhouse Emissions
   
The Next Generation of Solar Technology
   
    Grid transactions are secure and transparent on the Skyledger blockchain.    Electricity is generated using PV technologies which do not emit Greenhouse gases and make our planet greener and less polluted.    Producers can generate electricity using Solar Bankers patented technology, which makes solar energy cheaper and more efficient.   





About Solar Bankers Energy Generating Devices

Find out more on our site: http://solarbankers.com/technology/

Solar Bankers developed and patented the next generation of solar devices. Solar Bankers’ technology uses a high-tech holographic nanostructured film that manages the light in a smart and innovative way to efficiently convert sunlight.








   
   
   
   
   
Solar Panel
   
Solar Concentrator
   
Solar Window
   
    Solar Bankers’ Holographic Module, also referred to as Deflecting Photovoltaic (DPV), is a solar panel designed for high temperature environments that enables higher performance at a lower cost when compared with standard solar modules.     Solar Bankers’ Concentrator is intended for use in combination with standard modules to improve their efficiency and achieve greater energy output. The Concentrating Film, referred to by the name ‘Umbrella’, applies the efficiency-maximising technology used in the Holographic Solar Module to existing installations.     Solar Bankers’ Window is a fully transparent window that generates electricity out of sunlight. Solar Bankers’ nano-structured film covers the surface of the window, re-directing a part of the incoming light onto solar cells integrated in the window’s frame for electricity production.   
                           
   
   
   
   
   
Solar Tile
   
Self-Cleaning & Insulating Film
   
Light Recycling Module
   
    Solar Bankers Tile is a building component that generates electricity out of sunlight. Similar to our solar module, it consists of a 3-cm thick aluminum box that integrates Solar Bankers’ holographic film and silicon stripes. The tile is mounted on rotating tubes, which follow the apparent motion of the sun to generate electricity throughout the whole day. Solar Bankers tiles can be installed both in vertical and horizontal configurations.    Solar Bankers’ Self-Cleaning and Insulating Film is a fully transparent nano-structured coating that reflects the heat contained in the incoming light and keeps surfaces clean. The film is made of two layers stacked upon each other: the bottom is an optical filter, which reflects the heat-carrying portion of the light, while the top is a highly hydrophobic surface, which substantially reduces water and dust accumulation.    Solar Bankers’ Light Recycling Module recycles artificial light and converts it back into electricity, enabling savings of up to 15% on your electricity bill. The device uses Solar Bankers’ holographic film to redirect a part of the light emitted by fluorescent lamps back onto solar cell mounted under the light source to generate additional electricity.   


Read Solar Bankers' international patent: http://solarbankers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Solar-Bankers-Patent.pdf




About SunCoin




Solar Bankers’ SunCoin is based on a technology which introduces a new cryptographic primitive known as public broadcast channel. It also introduces a new consensus algorithm implementation, called Obelisk, which mitigates the commitment problems arising from the Proof-of-Work and mining processes underlying Bitcoin, thus addressing a host of security issues associated with the latter. Obelisk is not a single algorithm, but an implementation employing multiple techniques to deliver specific security guarantees. SunCoin represents a far more efficient and secure alternative to existing digital currencies because it is based on a new generation of blockchain technology that involves ultra-fast transactions with no fees and a multi-layered security structure.

SunCoin is not commodity-backed in the straightforward sense: it represents the ability to participate in a global network of free energy production and exchange. More specifically, SunCoin derives its value from the way in which its provides access to a number of entrepreneurial opportunities that go beyond the mere liquidity benefits of a standard cryptocurrency or the single commodity backing of other coins. SunCoin owners can:

  • trade SunCoin for other cryptocurrencies or fiat currency;
  • buy cheaper and cleaner electricity from other members in the decentralized network;
  • purchase Solar Bankers’ energy-generating equipment to produce energy for private consumption or sale on the local marketplace;
  • trade SunCoin for CO2 Emission Certificates.

These entrepreneurial opportunities are in turn facilitated and secured by a solid and mature company, which is backed by a set of strong soft assets – in the form of a game-changing international patent – and a host of ongoing partnerships and projects, cutting-edge product development, and market expertise. In the future the value of the company will also be backed by hard assets – in the form of manufacturing facilities and the decentralized electricity network.


SunCoin Infographics: http://solarbankers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/SunCoinInfographics.pdf

Read more about SunCoin consensus algorithm: http://solarbankers.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/a-distributed-consensus-algorithm-for-cryptocurrency-networks.pdf





Token Sale


PRE-ICO OPEN NOW!
Enjoy 86% off

Open until end of stock. Sale not open to US and Singapore citizens and residents.

















Read our Frequently Asked Questions




Meet our Team



ALFRED JOST
Founder and CEO

Mr. Jost is an international entrepreneur and expert in solar market, market economy and corporate business. A former investment banker, Mr. Jost successfully founded and managed more than 10 companies, with cumulative profits greater than 
$100 million.






DR. CARLO MARAGLIANO
CTO

Dr. Maragliano is an electrical engineer with over 10 years of experience in the field of Solar Energy and Energy Efficiency. An expert of optics and semiconducting materials, Dr. Maragliano has successfully transferred different solar technologies from the lab to the market. Dr. Maragliano holds a Ph.D. in Engineering from Masdar Institute.






DANA DUNCAN
COO

Mr. Duncan is an international manager with over 20 years of experience in manufacturing and finance. Mr. Duncan has pioneered solar energy projects in Germany, Mexico and USA and has the knowledge base to tackle issues that arise in the day-to-day operation of a business. Mr. Duncan holds a Master in International Management (MIM) and an MBA from Thunderbird, the American Graduate School of International Management.






FRANK BARTHEN
Marketing Director

Mr. Barthen is a Marketing and Sales expert. In his job as consultant, Frank develops innovative sales and marketing strategies for companies all around the world. Mr. Barthen is also managing director of Narciss and Taurus, a German marketing agency.






JANE ZHANG
Blockchain Advisor

Mrs. Zhang is a famous angel investor and entrepreneur, early investor and mentor for Alibaba, UTStarcom and VIPS. Jane is the founder and CEO of Shellpay, an early Blockchain startup company in China. Mrs. Zhang is an expert in Blockchain technology and is currently working on applying this technology in different business fields worldwide.






YAMILA OMAR
Chief Analyst

Mrs. Omar is an engineer and expert in manufacturing and data science. Previously involved in the oil industry, Yamila is a Ph.D. candidate at the University of Luxembourg. Mrs. Omar holds a master in materials for renewable energy from Masdar Institute.






BRANDON JOSEPH SMIETANA
Chief Cryptographer

Mr. Smietana is one of the top blockchain programmers on the planet and early developer of Bitcoin. Inventor of SunCoin Blockchain technology, Brandon is an internationally recognized leader in the research and development of blockchain solutions for the energy and telecommunication industry.




Hi,

Please check if it appears to you as well that the solar bankers web page got hacked. ICO scam?
27  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [ICO] [SUN] | SolarBankers | Solar Energy Trading Platform on: August 05, 2017, 08:10:57 PM
Hi team,

Just a question about the patented nano foil technology:
How did you get the patent from the US company Solar Bankers while you say that your name is also Solar Bankers.
For reference a link to read:
https://www.solarserver.de/solar-magazin/nachrichten/archiv-2013/2013/kw05/photovoltaik-unternehmen-solar-bankers-und-apollon-wollen-die-solar-industrie-mit-neuem-konzentrator-modul-revolutionieren.html

Please provide the link to your patent ownership and explain why you have the same name as the US company which is the original patent owner.

Thanks
28  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Any new airdrop coins? on: August 04, 2017, 08:32:29 AM
Any new airdrops coming for Newbies?

Not specifically for newbies but anybody can get in on the Bitcore (BTX) airdrop. Just requires 10 BTX and you can instantly claim. Wallet has nice UI too

Thanks.
I meant a coin which can Newbies get in airdrop. I checked out the BTX. Seems OK.
Thanks so far.
29  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Any new airdrop coins? on: August 03, 2017, 08:21:51 PM
Any new airdrops coming for Newbies?
30  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Peperium - fully decentralized rare pepe card gallery and exchange on: August 03, 2017, 08:17:47 PM
A shame within the airdrop fever.
31  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling on: August 03, 2017, 05:06:33 PM
I sent my bitcoin cash to a BTC address by mistake. Please what do i do. Value is $1000 help me and ill pay you $300

Very Experienced people only

How was the BTC address generated?  Was this a deposit address on an exchange?

No, its my btc address on another wallet app
Contact who hold BTC address, If not, your coin no come back with you!
I own the btc address I sent the bcc to. What do I do to get the bcc back?

Hi,
It was already explained before how to proceed. Check one of my former posts. Cheers!
32  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling on: August 03, 2017, 02:58:08 PM

@hashwomen
Well this is the smartest post ever thankyou your the best
why do you have to use a new  computer if  you have sent BTC to a new wallet?

- as a precaution against possible threats from the ElectronCash app - an app from the unknown source,

but I think a virtual machine would be enough to be safe.

I don't have experience with VM so I chose the more expensive solution. Anyway, I had a tablet over due to some other experiments with other unknown software...
33  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling on: August 03, 2017, 02:49:13 PM

It's a good one.
In general:
Send your BTC to a new address to "save" them and then use the old BTC addresses where the BTC is send from for the new BCC client.

I did:
1. Have all BTC in a Electrum wallet before the fork.
2. Send all BTC from the Electrum Wallet1 to a brand new Electrum Wallet 2 (with new seed!) after the fork.
3. Install Electron BitcoinCash client on a new Computer (yes I bought for 200 bugs a new convertible)
4. Copy your old empty BTC wallet to the new computer with the Electron Client and open this Electrum Wallet with the Electron client -> you have your new BCC available for whatever you want.
5. Send your BCC to any other BCC address and go on holiday or wait frustrated several hours until the first confirmation.
😭    
@hashwomen
Well this is the smartest post ever thankyou your the best

[/quote]
why do you have to use a new  computer if  you have sent BTC to a new wallet?
[/quote]

The new computer is for the BCC electron wallet. As it is an EXE I just wanted to be clear and not expose my computer with my valuable BTC to any key logger or similar stuff.  

34  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling on: August 03, 2017, 02:36:12 PM
Why there is a huge price gap of BCH between Bittrex and othere exchanges?
Aren't the buyers  in Bittrex worried the price will drop dramatically once the deposit is activated?

Margin trading might lead to such an issue.
Everyone who had BTC short had also automatically BCC short. Now they have a problem because a cascade due to a short squeeze led to an astonishing increase of BCC.
Probably the short squeeze itself is over but still much pressure to fill the short positions.
Somehow, that was visible before if you had seen the future for BCC. I think there are too few experienced people in this game. They might have learned a lesson.
Opinions?
35  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Peperium - fully decentralized rare pepe card gallery and exchange on: August 03, 2017, 12:13:07 PM
Peperium
Think differently
Welcome to the world's first fully decentralized rare pepe card gallery and exchange,
powered by IPFS+Ethereum.


ICO
more info soon
Airdrop more info soon
Bounties more info soon

http://peperium.com


Is this project abandoned?
36  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling on: August 03, 2017, 12:04:57 PM
Hi Guys,

One question, maybe a stupid question but I would like to know if it is safe to redeem BCC's.
I have a few BTC's (life savings) and I am wondering what is the safest way to redeem BCC's and if it is safe.

What is the safest way to redeem BCC's?

Thanks.

It's a good one.
In general:
Send your BTC to a new address to "save" them and then use the old BTC addresses where the BTC is send from for the new BCC client.

I did:
1. Have all BTC in a Electrum wallet before the fork.
2. Send all BTC from the Electrum Wallet1 to a brand new Electrum Wallet 2 (with new seed!) after the fork.
3. Install Electron BitcoinCash client on a new Computer (yes I bought for 200 bugs a new convertible)
4. Copy your old empty BTC wallet to the new computer with the Electron Client and open this Electrum Wallet with the Electron client -> you have your new BCC available for whatever you want.
5. Send your BCC to any other BCC address and go on holiday or wait frustrated several hours until the first confirmation.
😭    
37  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Fork 1:1 of Bitcoin - Pro on-chain scaling on: August 03, 2017, 10:14:18 AM
I sent my bitcoin cash to a BTC address by mistake. Please what do i do. Value is $1000 help me and ill pay you $300

Very Experienced people only

How was the BTC address generated?  Was this a deposit address on an exchange?

No, its my btc address on another wallet app

It' an easy one.
Go to your BTC wallet app. Export the private key from the address you sent to your BCC and import that private key in your BCC wallet app.
The BCC balance will appear and you continue using the BTC adress as BCC address.
I send you later my BTC address for your donation ☺
38  Local / Altcoins (Deutsch) / Re: Steuer auf Altcoins - Kompakte Einschätzung? on: July 31, 2017, 06:27:59 PM
Die Haltefrist erhöht sich ja anscheinend auf 10 Jahre wenn man seine Coins verleiht. Könnte man die verliehenen Coins wenn der Preis gerade ungefähr bei meinem Einkaufspreis ist einfach verkaufen und sofort wieder Neue kaufen, die man dann nur 1 Jahr lang liegen lassen muss bevor man sie steuerfrei verkaufen kann?

Ja

Soweit mir bekannt sollten byteballs nicht unter sonstige Einkünfte (10Jahres Dauerthematik) gelten, da die Einkünfte nicht als "dauerhaft" reinkommen - Die Distribution ist begrenzt - nicht dauerhaft - das ist soweit mir bekannt der springende Unterschied

der §22 EstG (sonstige Einkünfte) spricht auch ausdrücklich von wiederkehrenden Einkünften. Klar, Byteballs sind seit paar Monaten "wiederkehrend", jedoch nicht "dauerhaft. Und wenn die Distribution innerhalb der nächste 2-3 Monate enden sollte, so sind die Einkünfte unter einem jahr - Alles in allem würde ich denken das wäre eh nen Fall für den Fachanwalt für Steuerrecht etc.

Im Ergebnis richtig, aber die Begründung ist falsch. Byteballs sind schlicht keine Einkünfte der Bitcoins.

Btw., die Byteballs sind nicht geschenkt. Hatte ich zuerst auch gedacht, aber es sind auch sonstige Einkünfte ;-)
Auf was hattest du dich denn bezogen? Auf Schenkung?

Wie ist der Fiatwert zu bewerten? Am Tag der "Schenkung" oder am Tag der Umwandlung in Fiat?

Ja, Byteballs sind keine Schenkung, sondern sonstige Einkünfte. Ja, Wertberechnung am Tag des Zuflusses. Frag ist nur, welcher Wert das sein soll.

Entschuldigung, dass ich hier nochmal nachfragen muss. Was macht denn Byteball zu sonstigen Einkünften? Für mich erscheint das als Schenkung, weil man hier lediglich durch signieren einer Nachricht vor dem Airdrop beweißt, dass man im Besitz der Bitcoin ist. Man braucht dazu keinerlei besondere Fähigkeiten...
39  Local / Altcoins (Deutsch) / Re: Steuer auf Altcoins - Kompakte Einschätzung? on: July 30, 2017, 11:03:22 PM
Verstehe ich das richtig, dasshandel zwischen altcoins zwar die Halteflicht resettet aber ansonsten Steuerfrei ist? Oder wie wird das sonst gerechnet, das Amt denkt ja nur in Fiat?

Es ist solange steuerfrei wie die Gewinne erst nach einem Jahr der Anschaffung realisiert werden.
Und dann entspricht das Tauschen von Coin1 zu Coin2 der Veräußerung von Coin1 (die nur steuerfrei ist, wenn Coin1 länger als 1 Jahr in der Wallet lagen) und der gleichzeitigen Anschaffung von Coin2. Für Coin2 muss dann wieder 1 Jahr vergehen bis man einen steuerfreien Gewinn realisieren kann.

Und ja, jeder Tausch kann in Euro umgerechnet werden wenn der Altcoin auch an einer Börse zu dem anderen Altcoin oder BTC gehandelt wird.

Die spannende Frage ist, wenn man irgendwelche Coins gegeneinander tauscht zu denen es keine Altcoin1/Altcoin2/BTC-Paarungen an irgendwelchen Börsen gibt und man den Handel OTC macht.

Solange kein Tausch zu BTC gemacht wird und auch keine Börse die beteiligten Altcoins zu Fiat oder BTC handeln könnte man tatsächlich argumentieren, dass man Wertloscoin1 mit Wertloscoin2 getauscht hat. Bloß das ist recht unwahrscheinlich zu finden, da ja jeder Shitcoin irgendwo eine Paarung zu BTC hat und an Börsen gehandelt werden kann... Gegenvorschläge?
40  Local / Altcoins (Deutsch) / Re: Steuer auf Altcoins - Kompakte Einschätzung? on: July 30, 2017, 10:26:25 PM
Nun eine neue Frage:
Wie verhält es sich mit dem Tausch von BitcoinCash in Bitcoin?

Szenario 1: Bitcoins liegt seit mehr als einem Jahr im Wallet und bei Tausch könnte man behaupten, dass zwischen Anschaffung und Veräußerung der BitcoinCash mehr als ein Jahr liegen. Bitcoin und BitcoinCash haben bis zur Fork ja die gleichen Transaktionen in Blockchain. Oder man muss ein Jahr warten, da die privaten Schlüssel einen Zusatzwert geschenkt bekommen, der nur auf der BitcoinCash-Blockchain existiert.

Szenario 2: Bitcoins liegen weniger als ein Jahr auf den Adressen von denen man den private key hat. Hier wird man wohl ein Jahr warten, da die privaten Schlüssel einen Zusatzwert geschenkt bekommen, der nur auf der BitcoinCash-Blockchain existiert.

Hat jemand Ideen?

Also ich würde einen Coin, der aus einem Hard Fork heraus entsteht, als nicht steuerpflichtig betrachten (also nicht steuerpflichtig zum Zeitpunkt des Zugang). Zumindest in der Theorie  sollte sich der Wert des bisherigen Coins um den Preis des neuen Coins verringern - also vergleichbar mit einer Aktiengesellschaft, die aus einer Gesellschaft heraus eine neue an die Börse bringt. Der Kurs der weiterbestehenden alten Gesellschaft verringert sich zum Tag der Ausgabe der Aktien der neuen Gesellschaft dann entsprechend dem Wert der Aktien der neuen Gesellschaft.
Und Du selbst hast ja auch keinen Einfluss auf die Entstehung des neuen Coins...
Aber ist nur meine Meinung.


Ist auch meine Vorstellung , dass beim Zugang erstmal keine Steuern anfallen. Meine Frage ist ob diese Coins dann als kostenfreies Geschenk betrachtet werden können und mind 1 Jahr im Wallet liegen müssen bis man es steuerfrei in BTC umtauschen kann.

Die Frage ist eigentlich richtig schwer, da beim kostenlosen Zugang zur Berechnung der Steuer die Anschaffungskosten des Vorbesitzers betrachtet werden müssen, wenn man den Verkauf vor der Jahresfrist durchführt. Was sind dann die Anschaffungskosten des Vorbesitzers, der die Coins als Airdrop verschenkt? 0€??
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