You can also buy hvn on livecoin.net as well. There isn't as much volume as hitbtc but I think it's a better exchange. Right now there is a 30,000 sell order at 1399 I hope gets eaten up soon.

You'll need to PM dev. See my comment below. They were very helpful to me.

I'm on the Telegram chat but I'm more of an observer. I more or less ignore everyone's posts and just scroll down focusing on stuff from Hive (Oliver Muldoon). This is what I gathered from his posts...

- They were supposed to release the business plan 12/15 but it's not quite ready yet. They would rather get it 100% correct than release it just to hit a deadline. This is what caused a lot of the drama as it goes against the "always deliver on promise" statement Hive is known for.

- The demo version of the product is still 100% on track for the 12/21 release.

- They suspect Q1 2018 is when they will go live

- No new exchanges yet, but it will eventually happen. Oliver re-iterated that hitbtc is fine for now. Personally I have bought some on hitbtc and livecoin. I like livecoin better but hitbtc has more volume and its easier to get it cheaper there.

Overall I'm happy with this coin. I'm not a huge investor in it, but that more or less boils down to my lack of money:) I have around 12k coins. I could get out now with 2-3x gains, but I'm staying in. I like that there are actually faces behind the coin and known developers which I think is important. I'm excited to see what comes out on the 21st. I think it has a lot of potential especially with the ERP.

Now I'm going to try and do some math which may or may not be right They stated in one of their blog posts:



So to me 700 Billion Euros is $822,444,000,000 USD. I'm assuming this is the amount of money tied up in invoices in a year? If we divide this by 365 it means $2,253,271,232 is tied up in invoices each day. With 375,000,000 coins it would mean each coin would have to be about $6 to compensate for this. Obviously these are rough numbers. I don't fully understand how the HVN token is used in all this. Perhaps the same token can be used and re-used several times a day to settle invoices. That would mean the price per coin could be lower. Then on the other hand not all 375 million coins are going to be available. Some will be stored away in investor's wallets so I suspect that will drive up the price. And perhaps the 700 billion Euros mentioned is just potential market they could pull in. To me it's not real clear if with the ERP deal if they can already expect that piece of the market or if that is just best case scenario that they could achieve if they work hard enough.

Technically all he did was just quote me

I just got an email notification, and saw their tweet. I'm excited to see what this month has to offer.

https://blog.hive-project.net/hvn-update-a-huge-week-delivering-on-our-promises-a05d859826f4

Do you know what the next exchange in line is? Someone in the hitbtc chat (yeah I know, probably not the most reliable source) was saying it's coming to bittrex next week. So far HVN is the only coin I have that is still in the green today.

I just picked up some more of this coin. I like seeing active developers who put their face behind their coin. To me that's the most important thing. Excited to see beta coming out in the next few weeks. Just trying to predict future prices. If it really is a 3 trillion dollar market, lets say hvn takes just 5% of that market. At any given day with the 375,000,000 coin supply the price per coin would need to be around $1.09.

((3,000,000,000,000 * 0.05)/365)/375000000 = $1.09

However that assumes all the coins in circulation are being used. Really some of them will be off the market in MEW wallets. So I suspect the price could be much higher; even higher if they take over a larger percentage of the market. As long as the dev team keeps chugging a long I suspect a coin that is currently ~ 5 cents could create some 20x plus returns in the near future. To me this seems like a worthy investment.

Can someone explain what the tweet means? Sounds like they signed some agreement with a big European Enterprise Resource Planning company? Anyone know the name of that company?


"We’ve JUST agreed on the full integration of our platform into the system of a leading regional ERP - covering the Central and Eastern Europe region and RUSSIA!! This is HUGE! $HVN #HVN #Blockchain"

If you had TME on Nova you ARE NOT sol. Go back and read post 2278. You can PM dev with your login info and they can verify that you had TME stuck on NOVA. Now if you bought up TME for cheap after NOVA unlocked the wallets they may not help you. But so far they have helped a few of us recently. They are going to deal us back in when the new coin is released.

You can find out more here: http://www.futureofmoney.com/schedule

Looks like 4-4:50 PST which is end of day. Hopefully they save the best for last. I had some extra money on hitbtc a while ago and I did some quick researching on what I could put it in. I decided on HVN, glad I did.

So Dev helped me yesterday! They logged into my Nova and verified that I indeed had TME coins that were stuck in Nova before Nova put the wallet in maintenance mode. They took my balance and a future deposit ETH address. They said they can hardcode or import that balance into the new token contract. Obviously I don't have the new tokens yet, but I remain very hopeful now. I encourage anyone who ended up with legit coins stuck on Nova to contact them. They will most likely check your trade history to make sure you weren't trying to buy up more TME recently after the wallets unlocked.

To make it easy for them I'd send them your login credentials (Disable 2FA and change your pin/password first). With nova scheduled to go away you shouldn't really have any other coins over there to worry about now anyways.

!!!!! Thank you! I got your PM. I just removed 2FA authentication from Nova, changed my password, changed my pin, and sent you the login credentials.

DAS and Linda




The last response from Elix on the matter was October 26th (post #2009-2012). Their consensus was there was nothing they could do at the time. After this I asked what the process was for their TME conversion. I wanted to know if they trashed the TME coins after logging into the users account on Nova or accessing it via API. I was prying into this because if they didn't trash the coin after compensating for it,and Nova unlocked TME; it would cause problems. (People could double up or try to accumulate more TME). Now they have unlocked it and this is exactly what happened.

So with Nova going away and starting fresh, I assume all the prior trade history is also going to be wiped. This can prove what we had prior to the wallet unlocking. So I've been trying to talk to them about this before Nova goes away. So have other users. Even if they don't have an answer they could at least log who owned what while Nova is still up. This would be helpful in the future if they do another conversion (like the potential 2:1 coin conversion they talked about in the reddit AMA).

They have not responded to any PMs, emails, or posts since last month on TME and Nova has had the wallets out of maintenance mode for a few weeks now. Maybe they are just hoping Nova goes away so they can say they have no way to prove it. This whole situation is not great for us early investors. We are currently frustrated with being ignored by dev, but have to stay somewhat civilized because we are at their mercy for not losing out on our coins/money.

Potential Solution: Give them access to our Nova accounts, let them look at our TME balance before the wallet unlock date, log what forum user owns what. Give us hope for the future. I think there are only about 10 users still fighting that they would have to do this for.

So far I've been involved with 3 coins that had unknown developers. The first 2 flopped, but I got out before it was a total loss. The 3rd one (this one) has not been ideal for me. My original investment is still in limbo. I'd consider putting more money into Elix if dev would get back to some of my messages about TME.

I'm a software developer too for a healthcare company. I've been accumulating LSK for the past few months. Probably half my portfolio is LSK. I think it has a good chance of success with the use of Javascript and sidechains. The only thing I really hate about it is the current voting system. Here's my thoughts on it.

- You can't divide 101/4 evenly. So if you want to use all your votes you end up wasting 1 whole LISK coin on 2 votes.

- There are hundreds of people who want to be delegates. They all have special requirements too. They all pay out different percentages. They all have different thresholds. Some are grouped together meaning in order to get the rewards you need to vote for these other people. Or you have to register elsewhere. It's very time consuming to try and figure out who to vote for. Currently we have a few different sites that all list delegates to vote for. We also have a lot of delegate advertising clutter on reddit and on this forum.

- The thresholds are not good for people who do not already have thousands of LSK coins. Maybe you are like me with a few hundred LSK coins. I could vote for someone and maybe earn 0.1 LSK a month. However it will take 10 months for me to accumulate 1 LSK which is the minimum threshold for that Delegate. Now I'll get 0.9 LSK when it's sent to me. Or worse case that delegate gets bumped out of the top 100 6 months later and now I've got 0.6 LSK sitting there that I'll never receive. I could vote for all the members in a pool. This would be beneficial as when I accumulate enough for the threshold I'll only eat a single 0.1 LSK transfer fee. But the pool could change around. Now they have a new member and I won't get my LSK unless I vote in the new member. It will cost me 1 LSK to change my vote which proably eliminates any earnings I would have accumulated.

- I think eventually we are going to have a monopoly of delegates. We will get to the point where a new delegate comes along. He/She has a better offer. Say they share 90% and people towards the bottom 101 share 80%. This person will never make it into the top 100. Voters have the mindset that they do not want to spend another LSK coin to change their vote someone in that only has a 10% better offer. They know it could take months/years before enough people changed their vote to get this person in. If you voted now you'd miss out on rewards from the 80% delegate. So eventually the top 100 will be pretty static. This could lead to more coin dumping by them at ATH like we've already seen.


How could they make it better? Here are some ideas that I had.

- Get rid of the cost per vote. Make it a one time fee that last a year. You can change your votes at anytime for free, but it gets locked in at a certain time of the month. Pro-rate any LSK fees. So if you join in august you only pay 4/12ths of the fee for the remaining year.

- Remove LSK transfer fees for elected delegates. Meaning if you were an elected delegate last month you can send LSK the following month without any fees. This will encourage immediate reward payments and benefit LSK votes who do not own thousands of coins. There would be no more threshold limit on when you are paid.

- Include delegate demographics in the wallet. I know Nano is going away and will be replaced with something better. Right now it just shows the delegate name. So you need to do your own research, check several sites, then play a matching game. The wallet itself could display this. It could show name, sharing percentage, rating, quick about me section (maybe on hover) etc.. Then you have a single source.


Now to prevent a monopoly it gets more difficult. Some potential ideas. All have pros/cons.

- Clear the votes after each month. Meaning don't auto-renew them each month. Let people re-vote. This will encourage involvement and make it easier for new candidates to become involved. I'm kind of hesitant about this last one as it goes against my 2nd point above (meaning it's a lot of work to research 100 delegates, let alone monthly), but I think if they included delegate demographic info in the wallet it would be reasonable. If they added sorting, filtering, and a "previous vote" column showing your last votes it wouldn't be too bad. You could sort/filter it however you like. If you see that 90 of the first 100 you already voted for last month, you'll probably select them again. Now if there are 10 new faces that fall in you sort criteria but you never voted for them before you may decide on changing your vote.

- Maybe give delegates a rest? Give them term limits. Or make it On again, Off again. This would be hard to enforce as they could just create a new account. You could propose a 6 month waiting period though to even get your name into the voting list.

- Hide realtime ranking? Don't show the voting results until after voting has ended. Right now if you see someone is high up in the list you are likely to vote for them as your vote won't make a real difference anywhere else.


Curious if anyone else has any thoughts on it. I haven't voted for anyone yet as it still doesn't seem worthwhile to me. I stand a better chance selling and re-buying in when it dips.

Yeah his first coin was a failure. I figured if he was trying to scam people though he would have just created a new screen name and a new coin. The fact that he kept his same screen name told me that he was trying to redeem himself. Guess I was wrong


Also I was trying to see if I could find out more about the guy. His screenname is Truckman (kind of a common phrase someone would come up with I know), but his github account is Truckman83. That's a little more unique. Anyways I found these links:

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/garage/viewActivity.action?profileOwner=3642184

http://sometag.com/account/truckman83/234033902/

Probably not him, but maybe he drives a Nissan Maxima and is named David.

I think we need developments help to get Exor so we can convert to Elix. However there are complications with it.

Dev did an API process in a 3 week window pack in September. Meaning if you gave them your login credentials or created an API key for them to access your account on NovaExchange they would check your balance and then issue you Elix coins. However from the sounds of it, they never burned the users TME coins afterwards on Nova. So now if they implement something people could double up.

The other issue is that the problem was never taken when the Wallet was still locked on Nova. So now that it's unlocked people could be buying up TME (for fractions of a penny) and sending it to MyEtherWallet in hopes of getting 5-6 cents a coin.

I tried to call this out a few weeks ago but I never got a response from PM/Email/Post. It kind of puts us all in a fragile state. It's only a few hundred dollars for me, but I know for other early investors it's several thousand.

Lots of good news is driving price up.

- rebranding
- sdk release
- rewards halving (really just 1 extra lsk)
- Potential Google partnership (although still really early)
- coin hitting new exchanges
- People comparing it to ethereum but better (uses a language that people have heard of, side chain technology)
- its moving up the charts into 11th place now on coinmarketcap
- It's dev rating is in the #5 spot
- Lots of dev activity. There are faces to the name.

This coin has a lot of potential. I only wish I bought more a few months ago. I still think it is a good time to buy. I moved some of my other investments around to get more into LSK. My only suggestions (and I know dev is aware of all this and it's on their radar to review):

- Redo the voting. It's not very profitable for people with less coins. Personally I'd make it 1 LSK to vote for 101 delegates. Right now 3 LSK allows you to vote for 99, and then you waste an entire LSK to vote for 2 if you want to use up all your votes. I'd simplify that.

- Lower the trade fees. 0.1 is a becoming a lot with the price rising. It also cuts into profit shares of delegates. Maybe they could even make it so that when delegates send coins the transfer fees are somehow less.

Same for me. I can show when I bought TME (days before wallet was locked on Nova Exchange), and when I transferred it to MyEtherWallet today. Also below is the last update we've had from Dev on it. You can find it a few pages back on this forum. Marci must have missed it similar to how we missed the short windowed Nova API conversion I had followed up with Dev asking if when they did the API conversion if they trashed the coin on Nova afterward and what would happen if TME was enabled on Nova again but I never got a response. You can see this in post #2035. Regardless I think getting the coins off of Nova is a step forward.

Dev: It looks like NovaExchange finally unlocked the TME wallet so we can withdraw it. I moved mine to MyEtherWallet. Now is there anything we can do to get Elix or whatever the new token will be?