You're correct that these won't hold the same value as the originally funded coins. 

However, because the dies have been destroyed, there's no other way that most people will have a chance to own one of these (current coin owners are not selling).  Less valuable, yes, but still one of the more rare BTC collectibles around.

As mentioned above, though, these are offered for you, the BTC community so if people would rather just own the gold piece then that's fine too and I won't go to the trouble of reloading.

That's correct.  These coins are a part of the 100 and retain their original production numbers.   These were purchased and redeemed and I've offered to reload them with a fresh key pair and Certificate of Authenticity.

One ounce of gold + one bitcoin + $100

I offered to reload these because they are so rare... and there simply aren't any for sale, anywhere, that I know of.   The idea was to generate new interest in these ultra rare collectibles, for the benefit of all current holders.  More interest means higher value in the secondary market.

This particular group of coins were sold direct and not made available to the public, so its even more interesting as it contains production numbers that were unavailable previously.

However, If the community agrees that they do not want the reloaded coins to be made available for the sake of maintaining the value of unpeeled coins in existence... I will offer these as peeled only, with no reload option.

If you're one of the buyers interested in the reloaded version, please chime in on the thread so we know you're here.

I'm merely accommodating one of Titan's larger wholesale customers and helping with their resale effort.  Not a cash grab.  I'm just as happy (happier) if they sell as peeled.

I do understand the increased long term value of the unpeeled coin.  In this case, my thinking was that because the collectible community has been asking for these coins, and there are none available for sale, this would be an opportunity for new owners who never had a chance to own these coins before (or even an awareness that they existed). 

Generally more awareness creates more value on the second market.  Hence, I believed it would be appreciated by the community that some coins which were never made available to the public were now being sold.  That's why I offered to reload these. 

I'll take your perspective into consideration though, and if it seems to be how most current owners feel we will just offer these as "peeled".

Please PM me here with the coin ID that you're having trouble with?

PM sent.  I'm open to hearing your opinion.  I just pasted some details on the process I'm considering above, as well, if that clarifies any of concerns.

I understand your concern.  To clarify, anyone purchasing the reloads of these coins are not getting "new mintage".  We are not increasing the number of coins in existence for these. 

The reloads will retain the existing production number but are getting a new public/private key pair and a new certificate of authenticity. The reloads will show authenticity on the Titan website, just the same as the original. 

These represent a significant percentage of the mintage for these two coins, which is why I am open to uniquely accommodating this sale.  The holograms' authenticity and their intact status is the primary security for these coins (I have yet to see a hologram replica of our coins).  These holograms will show the first digits of their public key, and still link to a page verifying they are authentic and linking to the blockchain transaction that funded them.   

Because of the added security that comes with the extra layer of authenticity verification, I don't think this is actually leverage for fresh scammers to gain any advantage but I may not be fully understanding your perspective.

I understand your concern.  To clarify, anyone purchasing the reloads of these coins are not getting "new mintage".  We are not increasing the number of coins in existence for these. 

The reloads will retain the existing production number but are getting a new public/private key pair and a new certificate of authenticity. The reloads will show authenticity on the Titan website, just the same as the original. 

These represent a significant percentage of the mintage for these two coins, which is why I am open to uniquely accommodating this sale.  The holograms' authenticity and their intact status is the primary security for these coins (I have yet to see a hologram replica of our coins).  These holograms will show the first digits of their public key, and still link to a page verifying they are authentic and linking to the blockchain transaction that funded them.   

Because of the added security that comes with the extra layer of authenticity verification, I don't think this is actually leverage for fresh scammers to gain any advantage but I may not be fully understanding your perspective.

Just following up, we were able to recover some emails that went to spam.  I've got your coin ID from those emails and I've looked up the record on your coin.

We show you requested redemption twice, with two different addresses.  It was redeemed to the first address you requested in September of 2018, but the website is showing the most of the addresses you requested redemption to (that address is from a bit of automation that isn't based on the redemption transaction).  I'm omitting the details from this public post but I've emailed you the transaction ID so you can verify.

Hi,

I'm sorry for your frustrating experience.  I did have our customer service team reach out when you contacted us here.  They requested your coin ID but we didn't see your email responses with the ID so that we could take action.

We have repeatedly had spam email attacks against our mail servers so you may have been the victim of a false spam flag.  We'll go back and search to see if you got caught in the spam filters for some reason.  

In the meantime, Please email me directly at tim@titanbtc.com with your coin ID so I can follow up.

I'm not inactive and I'm sorry we missed your email.

Could you please send the info on your coin to guardians@titanbtc.com we'll be happy to get you sorted.  We have a record of every coin sold at that conference (as I was there in person) so it should be an easy fix if you're having trouble redeeming the coins value for some reason.



 

Pichotklasa is welcome to release any PMs I had with him. 

I told him that I would pay him to come forward with the truth.  I did so in the hopes that he would reveal some aspects of real life identity so that I can evaluate bringing criminal charges against him.

If you, the forum members would like me to continue responding here, please PM me.  I'm happy to answer all questions at your request, but i'm afraid we're legitimizing a criminal's attempt at perpetrating a fraud by continuing to engage.

@everyone else...

We're not infallible, but the evidence in this instance points pretty overwhelmingly to the rightful owner of the coin.  Much of this evidence involves sensitive info which I am not authorized to share here, but they include verifiable transcripts and un-modified screenshots of the Social engineering activity as well as photos and videos of the coin, hologram, and redemption code. 

That evidence, combined with the timing of the communications and our IP logs indicate that Pichotklasa
1. Saw the coin owner's post here in the forum
2. Obtained the coin owner's personal info
3. Impersonated Titan employees to gain the coin owner's trust
4. Used that trust to obtain the coin's redemption info
5. Changed the coin's registration email using that information
6. Posted this thread Claiming to be the rightful owner

Ultimately, with these particular coins, Titan Mint is the arbiter of ownership.  Our system and the 2FA product itself was designed to automate that arbitration as much as possible.  It's an expensive burden but one we take very seriously. 

If anyone has issues with our determination of ownership, they are welcome to contact us at guardians@titanbtc.com and we will respond as soon as possible.  We'll work with all parties involved to find the best solution.

@Pichotklasa, If you've truly been wronged and we have somehow made a mistake, please file a report with your local police department including all evidence of your purchase and your travel to and from Peru, as well as any communication you had with the seller prior to and after making the purchase. 

I have multiple employees in Russia, and one in Ukraine, and I will have them communicate with your local authorities to verify the police report is complete and the evidence that was provided is authenticated.

Once that police report is verified, we will consider the option that we redeemed the coin's value to the wrong party and transfer the BTC value of that coin to you once we've determined that we made an error.

If you're in agreement with this process, then please confirm here that you will be working with us (Titan Mint) directly to resolve this issue.  No further discussion will be entertained with you in this forum until you've agreed to involve law enforcement.  If you've honestly been defrauded, then reporting that theft to the police.  Putting them in touch with us is the next step.

@everyone else...

We're not infallible, but the evidence in this instance points pretty overwhelmingly to the rightful owner of the coin.  Much of this evidence involves sensitive info which I am not authorized to share here, but they include verifiable transcripts and un-modified screenshots of the Social engineering activity as well as photos and videos of the coin, hologram, and redemption code.  

That evidence, combined with the timing of the communications and our IP logs indicate that Pichotklasa
1. Saw the coin owner's post here in the forum
2. Obtained the coin owner's personal info
3. Impersonated Titan employees to gain the coin owner's trust
4. Used that trust to obtain the coin's redemption info
5. Changed the coin's registration email using that information
6. Posted this thread Claiming to be the rightful owner

Ultimately, with these particular coins, Titan Mint is the arbiter of ownership.  Our system and the 2FA product itself was designed to automate that arbitration as much as possible.  It's an expensive burden but one we take very seriously.  

If anyone has issues with our determination of ownership, they are welcome to contact us at guardians@titanbtc.com and we will respond as soon as possible.  We'll work with all parties involved to find the best solution.

His confirmation email from our website is likely legitimate.  He obtained that info from the rightful coin owner usin social engineering tactics, by impersonating myself and acting as a representative of TitanBTC via emails with faked headers and a freshly created Telegram account.


@Pichotklasa, If you've truly been wronged and I have somehow made a mistake, please file a report with your local police department including all evidence of your purchase and your travel to and from Peru, as well as any communication you had with the seller prior to and after making the purchase.  

I have multiple employees in Russia, and one in Ukraine, and I will have them communicate with your local authorities to verify the police report is complete and the evidence that was provided is authenticated.

Once that police report is verified, we will consider the option that we redeemed the coin's value to the wrong party and transfer the BTC value of that coin to you once we've determined that we made an error.

If you're in agreement with this process, then please confirm here that you will be working with us (Titan Mint) directly to resolve this issue.  No further discussion will be entertained with you in this forum until you've agreed to involve law enforcement.  If you've honestly been defrauded, then reporting that theft to the police and putting them in touch with us is the next step.

I thought those coin database updates were completed months ago.  I'm terribly sorry about that!

Yes of course.  We'll have those updated on the site today.  Please do feel free to email me with issues like this as well.  I'm not available on the forums too often these days unless requested by a coin owner.

We understand that you're frustrated that your theft didn't pan out as you hoped, but come on now...

You physically paid cash, in hand, to someone in a different country?  At this point, I think we know you're in Russia...so...How did that occur?  How did the cash travel from Russia to Peru?

I'm like 95% confident based on language patterns and grammar that you are just a shill account for the scammer, but on the 5% chance that you're not...

We follow an extremely rigid set of rules to defeat social engineering attacks.  We have guaranteed the BTC value on our 2FA coins, and we take it very seriously.  We successfully verified the owner of the coin in question before redemption, using a number of factors.

We're also not done chasing down the details on the scammer in question.  When we're able, we report these individuals to local law enforcement.  We may have collected some identifying info on the individual in question and if it checks out, we'll be putting together a docket of evidence for attempted theft to be handed over to the relevant authorities.

In short, we're here to serve the interests of our coin owners.