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21  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [Ann] [OTN] Open Trading Network | OTN Token | Uniting the crypto world on: December 13, 2017, 06:47:13 AM
Otn has no ico. And i read it that you can only get a otn if we trade in iq option. But some of us uses different exchanges. And seems otn just support for iq option not in other exchanges. How can we get a token without using iq option? Where we can buy a token directly from you. I wanting to buy with the lowest price.

Well, IQ Option is certainly not the only place where you can buy OTN tokens.
Try the exchanges we're listed on:


Livecoin.net
Cryptopia
Yobit
HitBTC

22  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [Ann] [OTN] Open Trading Network | OTN Token | Uniting the crypto world on: December 12, 2017, 12:39:45 PM

@OpenTN
OTN, what do you have to say about this ? From ~318 000 token to 25 000 it's a HUGE difference.

PS: Another problem is people pay commission using tokens, so more tokens will return to you....

First of all, people paying the commission with OTN tokens is not a "problem", it's a purpose this token serves and it's one that drives its value.

"From ~318 000 token to 25 000 it's a HUGE difference." It is a huge difference. And it's true that at the moment, we are sending part of the tokens to this wallet: https://etherscan.io/token/0x881ef48211982d01e2cb7092c915e647cd40d85c?a=0x1d907757ab41c19895bcdce9dfacd6bfd5f26ae2.
When we launch our new products, a new distribution program will be created. Traders will be receiving all these tokens. To sum up, all 21 000 000 OTN tokens will be distributed, as it was planned.

 

"we are sending part of the tokens to this wallet" the trading volume decreased because of this?

The trading volume might be on the decline because of smaller emissions, but there's no direct correlation between us setting some OTNs aside and the trading volume.
23  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [Ann] [OTN] Open Trading Network | OTN Token | Uniting the crypto world on: December 12, 2017, 11:38:40 AM
Q&A Session with OTN Head Developer Dmitry Kutuzov

Last Friday OTN Head of Development Dmitriy Kutuzov sat down in front of
the camera to answer the questions submitted via our Facebook page.

This is just the first of the many Q&A sessions that will follow.




Follow our Facebook Page for timely updates and more videos like this one!
24  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [Ann] [OTN] Open Trading Network | OTN Token | Uniting the crypto world on: December 12, 2017, 11:19:46 AM

@OpenTN
OTN, what do you have to say about this ? From ~318 000 token to 25 000 it's a HUGE difference.

PS: Another problem is people pay commission using tokens, so more tokens will return to you....

First of all, people paying the commission with OTN tokens is not a "problem", it's a purpose this token serves and it's one that drives its value.

"From ~318 000 token to 25 000 it's a HUGE difference." It is a huge difference. And it's true that at the moment, we are sending part of the tokens to this wallet: https://etherscan.io/token/0x881ef48211982d01e2cb7092c915e647cd40d85c?a=0x1d907757ab41c19895bcdce9dfacd6bfd5f26ae2.
When we launch our new products, a new distribution program will be created. Traders will be receiving all these tokens. To sum up, all 21 000 000 OTN tokens will be distributed, as it was planned.

 
25  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [Ann] [OTN] Open Trading Network | OTN Token | Uniting the crypto world on: December 11, 2017, 01:20:56 PM
Great news, everyone!

We have just added Newsfeed and Media sections to the OTN Website.




26  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [Ann] [OTN] Open Trading Network | OTN Token | Uniting the crypto world on: December 11, 2017, 12:55:11 PM
Здравствейте как я могу увидеть свои токена на myetherwallet ?

Для того, чтобы увидеть свои токены, вам необходимо ввести адрес смарт-контракта для OTN token ( 0x881ef48211982d01e2cb7092c915e647cd40d85c )
Там должа быть кнопочка "Добавить Токен" (Add Custom Token).
27  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [Ann] [OTN] Open Trading Network | OTN Token | Uniting the crypto world on: December 11, 2017, 12:49:40 PM
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Hello everyone, i just found out these days about OTN, and all in all, its a really good idea, and i see that it have potential, but lets talk about how things work.
First of all, there are 1000+ alt coins running around plus a lot more ICOs and similars like OTN on the field. Its a crazy number, and a few years from now, 99% of them will die. Thats a fact.


As i see, the ones that survive will be the ones that can do something useful on the real world economy. Wich ones? no one knows. Its all a huge gamble at this point.

So, lets start with the positive things...

1 - No more exchanges hostages

The idea behind the OTN is a very solid one, since as you can all see, the existence of the exchanges go against one of the principles of the Cryptocoins: Decentralization.
The exchanges where you trade your coins holds on their wallets a big chunk of the circulating currencies, and even if the exchange have a good reputation, there is nothing that stops them to close the doors overnight and keep all the clients coins. (This would probably collapse the coin markets, but yes, it is possible).

2 - Reduced fees

If something like the idea of the OTN works the right way, that would mean the start of the end of the exchanges, or at least their exorbitant fees (come on... 0,02 BTC to withdraw, when the average network fee is 0,00014?)
If what i read about the project is right, there would be no central exchange in place, and all the transactions would be processed by the "forgers" (Somebody correct me if im wrong, but this would work in a proof-of-stake system), and the fee of processing transactions would reduce a lot, since it would use less power and there wouldnt be more than one transaction in place (Today, you have a transaction fee to transfer from your wallet to the Exchange, another to make the trade, and another to transfer back to you personal wallet)

3 - Decrease of difficulty to buy and sell Cryptos (and products)

IF (and only if) the OTN system make it possible to buy the currencies with fiat, it seems this would make the process pretty easy, and with that, increase the possibility of the cryptos be accepted by people outside the financial world
Cause in the long term, if the general population do not recognize the cryptos as actual useful money, they will die.

Now now, its time to go through the shady and weird things...

Starting with Distribution

So there will be 3 ways of distribution of the coin:


A - IQoption trades B - Wallet Owners C - To whoever have coins


B and C seems ok to me, since they wont cost anything (unless they charge for the wallet), and will reward early adopters and enthusiasts
But the problem is the A...

At first glance, the idea seems good. You do your normal trade operations, and in the mean time you get a reward fo using and specific plataform. Something like a milleage program.

But here is the catch: the fee to trade Cryptos on IQoption, that are actually CFDs, since you dont buy any coins, is now 10%
10%
that means that any trade you do, you already lost 10%, no matter the outcome. Not including the absurd Spreads (US$ 30,00 on BTC at the moment of this writing)
Nowhere on the market you will find a broker or exchange that have this fee, or this spread.

Now lets do some math (The prices is in BRL, cause that is what i used to test):
I put buy order (IQOption you only buy at market price)of $19,80. IQoption Charge me $1,84 (10% fee) for the transaction, and reward me with and estimate of 0,048 OTN Tokens (wich will go down till the day they give the coins). if i trade this for 0,048 OTN to bitcoins then to $ i would recieve $ 3,07. Well, there is no fees on this math, but lets say i would pay the absurd 10% iq option charges, i would still keep around $2,70

Good payout right? im actually recieving to trade... But here is to scenarios that might happen

At each week, the amount of the coins distributed will decrease. The supposed profit of the operation i did wont last long, and IQoption will probably keep the 10% fee, (maybe after week 20 or 30, time enough for the hype bring in everyone that dont do the profit math). BTW the usual fee per operation on the Crypto exchanges that i know is around 0,25%. And this would answer the question why they are "giving" the coins, and not selling them.

Im recieving something that doesnt exist yet, and its all on the speculative market based on a promise that still dont have anything concrete. Not even the wallet. For all i now, if there is no market manipulation by IQoption or OTN.org, the market prices might come very close to zero, and boom! IQoption keep its 10% fees, and i get trades that could be a lot more profitable if i did them somewhere else (of a even bigger loss, if my trades went bad).

The other weird thing is: why IQOption? There is a lot of exchanges around that could have a better impact on the Crypto community, and get a lot of atention around this first round of token distribution, even the ones that already trade OTN...

The answer i think is this: IQoption is the first thing you see when you start googling for the first time in your life 'how do i trade currencies'. IQOption have a lot of ads running around everywhere related to the markets. This probably attract a lot of people that think it is easy to make money on the market. Easy is the key work here guys.

And btw, IQOption isnt the most reputable broker around. You only have to go a few pages ahead on the google search to find a lot of controversy.

And for the last, a few questions popped on my mind that i still dont have answers:

- A system like this could be a big blow on the exchanges market. Why in the end, they would support a system like this

- As i could see, the coin would work like a base value, wich the other coins would have a exchange rate. Assuming that the prices of the coins would keep on the rollercoaster, wouldnt this change the exchange by the minute, just like we have now? if the idea is to make easier to trade coins, wouldn´t the transaction fee fluctuate wildly?

- How is this different, on the final consumer side, from something like shapeshift or Changelly

- About the wallet, where would the coins be stored? on OTN Server? or locally?

- If they are stored locally, how would this be different from the wallets like Jaxx and Exodus that already have a Shapeshift service included in them?

- If i used the exchange feature of the wallet, would i need to buy the OTN to pay the transaction?

- In the transaction process, the way i understood, whoever have the most coins stored, would get most of the transaction fees? or the "forger" that would process the transaction is picked randomly?

Ooof.. thats a big one wall of text. Cant do a TL;DR because the devil is in the details...

This might be good. But might be a total trainwreck.


Sorry for a delayed response.

1 - The price of assets is going to be fixed for the transaction. Should the transaction fail or remain incomplete for whatever reason - the transaction is simply going to be cancelled and the same amount will be returned to the balance.

2 - All of the services you listed are centralized. That means if the service shuts down while you have your money or an active transaction there - you’re basically screwed, because that company has full control over your funds. They are in charge of the exchange and you have no power over the transaction at all. OTN exchange is going to be decentralized and collateralized. The transactions are going to go out peer to peer.  It can’t be shut down and no single entity will have control over it.  You can’t cheat the system either. Every transaction is going to be insured and even if the person on the other side of the exchange want to scam you - you’re only going to be refunded in full for the incomplete transaction.   

3 - OTN.Wallet design calls for cold storage of coins.

4 - Like we said earlier - Shapeshift is a centralized service with all the restrictions and concerns associated with it. And Jaxx doesn’t allow you to buy Crypto right within the wallet, but OTN will.

5 - That is one of the purposes we see for the OTN token.

6 - The algorithm is going to be pseudo-random (hopefully you’re familiar with the term). The person who has more OTN at their disposal is more likely to be chosen as Depository, yes. But the participants with fewer OTN are still going to get selected for the transactions to get their commission, just for smaller transactions (for obvious reasons).

Hopefully that answers your questions!
28  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: Open Trading Network [OTN]: Строим Интернет для Блокчейнов on: December 08, 2017, 09:59:34 AM
Подскажите, те ежеквартальные начисления OTN держателям, будут производиться только в случае хранения монеты в кошельке? Другими словами если монеты лежат на бирже LiveCoin, я ничего не получу?

Да, вы правы. Мы не сможем осуществить начисления на кошельки бирж, поэтому просим всех держателей ОТН вывести свои средства на кошельки, поддерживающие стандарт erc20 до 31 декабря 2017 года.

Спасибо за ваш вопрос!
MyEtherWallet подойдет?

Да, вполне.
29  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [Ann] [OTN] Open Trading Network | OTN Token | Uniting the crypto world on: December 08, 2017, 09:33:53 AM
Yes, but please let the people know who has invested in your project what you are planning for the future, what are your projects, what prospects do you have and what prospects investors should have to participate in the project.

Dear Brombo,

Thank you for your questions and your interest in the OTN project.

Our team's main focus right now is on developing the first version of the OTN.Wallet.

It's going to become a multi-chain light wallet with storage for 7+ different cryptocurrencies and crypto-keys.
Indeed, we're planning to start out with just 7 types of coins, but the range is going to expand significantly with
the future versions of the wallet as it becomes integrated into the decentralized OTN.Exchange.

The plan is to make OTN.Wallet both a universal storage and an asset-management tool that would enable a user
to buy/sell, hold and exchange any type of asset under the sun. You may be wondering "How will it be possible?".
The answer is: "Through tokenization". Any asset can be tokenized and traded: fiat money, gold, flight miles,
coupons… you name it!

And as you've probably guessed - the OTN token is going to be that universal medium for tokenization and exchange.
OTN tokens are at the heart of the design of the Open Trading Network, they will power the system and in turn - the
system will power them.

So, as to the upcoming events (apart from the Airdrop and the new exchange listings we’re working on) here they are:

OTN.Wallet Launch - February 2018 (Date to be Announced)
Token Fest 2018 - 15-16 March 2018, San Francisco
Global Blockchain Expo 2018 - 18-19 April 2018, London

Also, if you have ANY QUESTIONS to the OTN Head Developer Dmitry Kutuzov - please LEAVE A COMMENT HERE 
and we'll answer it in a video very soon.




30  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [Ann] [OTN] Open Trading Network | OTN Token | Uniting the crypto world on: December 08, 2017, 07:45:50 AM
Can please some moderator do something about this FUD individuals? They re not only ruining this topic as making people discredit about the project with shitarguments. If we take a pool envolving all ppl who viewed and posted here I bet the option "do something about this shitppl shittalking" would win

We've contacted the moderators on more than one occasion (also, regarding the spam messages), but apparently they refuse to do their job.
Makes you wonder, why does Bitcointalk even have moderators if they don't tend to the threads/topics.

Gives the forum a bad look when there are stray camels walking around...  Wink
31  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [Ann] [OTN] Open Trading Network | OTN Token | Uniting the crypto world on: December 07, 2017, 10:47:32 AM
don; 't worry I will post the one whit the support telling they own on 2 Smiley soon I have from 18 guys different profs this was only from 1

Go ahead, send in as many as you like. If we see smth that could qualify as improper action (and not lack of knowledge/training/correct wording that can be improved upon) on the part of IQ Option Support Staff we'll take action.

So far, there isn't anything we see that would interest "a judge".
32  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: Open Trading Network [OTN]: Строим Интернет для Блокчейнов on: December 07, 2017, 10:19:35 AM
Подскажите, те ежеквартальные начисления OTN держателям, будут производиться только в случае хранения монеты в кошельке? Другими словами если монеты лежат на бирже LiveCoin, я ничего не получу?

Да, вы правы. Мы не сможем осуществить начисления на кошельки бирж, поэтому просим всех держателей ОТН вывести свои средства на кошельки, поддерживающие стандарт erc20 до 31 декабря 2017 года.

Спасибо за ваш вопрос!
33  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [Ann] [OTN] Open Trading Network | OTN Token | Uniting the crypto world on: December 07, 2017, 10:14:07 AM

 "it's safer to withdraw to an Ethereum wallet or ERC20 standard".
who gave you this job?
ONLY erc20 wallet will handle it so what you are talking abt.
and not every erc20 wallet will show them coz some wallets didnt implement OTN yet. tokens are not lost (they are in the address) but they wont show up in some wallets and you will have to download another wallet with support for them and access it with your private key


"some wallets didnt implement OTN yet" - you're embarrassing yourself.
ALL ERC20 wallets support OTN tokens. If the wallet fully supports the ERC20 standard, it will show OTNs.
If it doesn't display them immediately all you have to do is enter the smart contract address and it will.
If there isn't a way for you to enter the smart contract address for OTN - guess what - the wallet does not support ERC20 in the first place and you shouldn't have used it.
And as to the Exchanges and their wallets -  there's no way to know with 100% certainty which standard each one is using.
Livecoin accepted hundreds of transfers just fine, yet some got stuck, apparently. And that's why every client who asked was advised a safer option - to transfer the OTNs to an ERC20 wallet.
34  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [Ann] [OTN] Open Trading Network | OTN Token | Uniting the crypto world on: December 07, 2017, 09:31:28 AM
https://ibb.co/hhy84b what do you make of this? iq support telling somebody that is ok to send money directly into the live coin wallet for the second time after he already lost one transfer from them. it is obvious that they are scammers or incompetents do you really trust somebody like this whit your money? i have several more i will release them in time helping ppl whit more good news . the chary on the top is whit one from iq support practically saying they own otn.

Ok, and what does this prove exactly? The support lady said he can do that as in it's technically possible. And it is possible, but she clearly warns him "it's safer to withdraw to an Ethereum wallet or ERC20 standard".
She has the clients best interest at heart, obviously. Not encouraging him to take the unsafe route. And she's NOT responsible a) for the client making the less safe option and b) for any malfunction/processing error on the part of Livecoin.

35  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [Ann] [OTN] Open Trading Network | OTN Token | Uniting the crypto world on: December 06, 2017, 05:19:03 PM
Lets count it :
28mln had your staff and shareholders but they have dumped 2.9mln so they have left 26.1mln
Traders received 1.3mln plus this dumped 2.9= 3.2mln
So from this airdrop traders will receive abt 1.22% which is 24.400 and your team will keep rest

im sorry mistake - 25.1mln left for staff
so traders will receive 1.27% which is gonna be 25.400 OTN

Herbex,
Apparently, you're taking the circulating supply published by CoinMarketCap. Their formula does not do justice to the one OTN uses. According to the Whitepaper and the section discussing token distribution we highlight the following:

• 28,000,000 OTN tokens are to be given to IQ Option team and shareholders.
• Additional 51,000,000 OTN tokens are available only for planned purposes – 30 mil. tokens are owned by The Open Trading Network Foundation, 16 mil. tokens will be distributed over a 2 years period (every quarter 2 million tokens) as a bonus to token holders, 5 mil. tokens are reserved to OTN.Wallet users to motivate them.

Therefore, Circulation Supply = TOTAL SUPPLY - 51,000,000 => 81,038,759 - 50,000,000 = 30,038,759

That being said, IQ Option staff were issued those tokens, but those are currently on HOLD.
The reason? The OTN tokens are a reward for their job for OTN and the job is far from being done. The tokens will be released gradually, as new products and updates come out.

Even if it comes down to IQ Option staffers holding the majority of OTN tokens, it’s still completely fair as they did not get those for free, but in exchange for tremendous contributions to the Network. They deserve those OTN no less than the people who mined or traded for theirs. It’s worth noting that IQ Option staff are hired individuals and their property is not the property of OTN Foundation, its holders and principles.

Also, just in case you missed it - tokens belonging to the OTN Foundation itself are excluded from the airdrop (as is stated in the Whitepaper).
36  Local / Criptomoedas Alternativas / Re: [Ann] [OTN] Open Trading Network | OTN Token | Unindo mundo de trading on: December 06, 2017, 03:41:54 PM

Vamos Dar Boas Vindas Calorosas para Dmitry Kutuzov, Chefe de Desenvolvemento de Open Trading Network



Pode ler tudo sobre Sr. Kutuzov e também sobre os eventos que vem na vida de projecto OTN em este artigo por Cryptocoinsnews.com



Tenha a mão no pulso do projecto OTN com esse novo widget para o seu iPhone.

Nota: O Ticker OTN foi criado e é apoiado por um grupo de desenvelvedores independentes e não é afiliado com The Open Trading Network Foundation.
37  Local / Altcoins (Deutsch) / Re: [Ann] [OTN] Open Trading Network | OTN Token | Vereint die Krypto Welt on: December 06, 2017, 02:06:14 PM
Lasst uns Dmitry Kutuzov - den Entwicklungsleiter des OTN Network herzlich willkommen heißen



Sie können alles über Herrn Kutuzov, sowie über die bevorstehenden Ereignisse im Leben des OTN-Projekts in diesem Artikel von Cryptocoinsnews.com lesen.



Behalten sie den Puls des OTN-Projekts im Auge mit dem handy Widget für Ihr iPhone.

Bitte beachten Sie: Der OTN Ticker wurde erstellt und wird von einem unabhängigen Team von Entwicklern unterstützt und das Produkt ist nicht mit der Open Trading Network Foundation verbunden.
38  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [Ann] [OTN] Open Trading Network | OTN Token | Uniting the crypto world on: December 06, 2017, 02:04:28 PM
otn if i bring the proof that iq support told him to send the amount to take in an unsupported wallet would you reimburse him and get him, even more, tokens for his trouble? like a respected company would?

OTN (as a separate entity) does not make any promises or speak on behalf of IQ Option. So No, we can't make any generous claims like that.
But we also will not defend unprofessionalism if proof is provided to us. We can promise you to initiate an investigation into any and all instances of improper behavior from IQ Option support. That seems fair and responsible.

Please DM/PM us all the relevant information you have. Thank you!
39  Local / Annunci / Re: [Ann] [OTN] Open Trading Network | Token OTN | Connette il mondo delle Crypto on: December 06, 2017, 01:59:32 PM
Diamo tutti un caloroso benvenuto a Dmitry Kutuzov - Responsabile dello Sviluppo per l'Open Trading Network



Puoi leggere tutto sul Sig. Kutuzov e sui prossimi eventi previsti per il progetto OTN in QUESTO ARTICOLO di Cryptocoinsnews.com



Tieni il dito pronto per il progetto OTN con questo comodo widget per il tuo iPhone.

Si prega di notare the l'OTN ticker e' stato creato e supportato da un team indipendente di programmatori ed il prodotto non e' affiliato con la Fondazione Open Trading Network.

40  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [Ann] [OTN] Open Trading Network | OTN Token | Uniting the crypto world on: December 06, 2017, 01:05:39 PM
Block Chainy what do you think will be the otn price when the air drop will be made? can i tell you? untill now i was never wrong . the price will be 0.0005 or below and after the drop will go under 0.00009 . and whit the ppl being so hipe on the btc that can hit 20k till 2018 they will sell this even more and buy something real, not fantasy. i even bet that they will do no air drop . think about it ppl who are waiting to sell this coin they will do it right after they will get more so there lose will be smaller . is almost the same thing when us is printing more is us dollar stronger or weaker? i have 18 ppl so far on my youtube channel that lost their otn money because unsupported wallets many of them told by iq to do it . do you really think iq or otn will have a future anymore? if so you're delusional.

Alexander,
First of all, your analogy with increased supply = decreased price does not work in this case. Mainly because new tokens won't appear out of nowhere, it's not like OTN will emit more tokens - it's just a release of a reserved amount. And what part of recent Crypto history made you think digital currencies behave exactly like fiat anyway?
Secondly, rewarding people for holding tokens is an excellent practice. It shows that the company delivers on their promises, at the very least.
And the third point: "ppl who are waiting to sell this coin they will do it right after they will get more" - you're kind of missing the point. The rewards will continue quarterly for the next 2 years. Holding OTNs gets you more OTNs. It's quite nearsighted to sell everything off immediately.

And as to the claim that IQ staff told anyone to use an unsupported wallet - nonsense, they even issued and highly publicised a withdrawal How-to to make sure no one got it wrong.
But who would admit that they made an honest mistake on their own when choosing the wrong wallet? Nobody would. 
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