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April 16...?
Too soon Mark is busy figuring out how to handle the stolen coins.
Maybe the coins were used to pay for his imported car, robot, 3D printer and company expenses. A car college students drive and a 1k or 2k little 3d-printer that he mentioned on his blog. Yeah, that's where all the money went! |
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Is there any way they can force him to go to US. Isn't he in Japan right now
Trough the mutual legal treaty they could force the japanese police anytime to arrest him and extradite him. But for what? The international investigation for money laundering, drugs and tax evasion will take years. Just check the e-gold, Liberty Reserve or any big child porn investigation for comparison to get a feeling for the magnitude. And it's not (only) Mark that they want, but the customers (or some of them). |
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Did not find it but anyway too many transactions, ownership can change after one transaction.
We were able to find the 200k on feb 27th because the large transactions with same transaction patterns indicated one single owner.
5% of all Bitcoins are still in unknown Mtgox addresses and there's obviously a reason why they don't provide blockchain evidence. I have some addresses in mind that could belong to gox. I'm too lazy to document it for others because the community is horrible to discuss anything that isn't proved by total scientific peer reviews lol.
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If we spam the blockchain into the yottabyte range by churning transactions they can't enforce their laws anymore without spending gazillion dollars.
All we have to do is implement a raid system for the blockchain?
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Yes, they are doing that.
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2m a year? Where are you living? That's an old number from the bitcoin wiki.
They make around 30m - costs. And the costs are usually low, except for the law shit.
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Nun die Begriffe passen natürlich nicht in das bestehende eingeschränkte Definitionsschema, aber ist ja nichts neues bei den Bürokraten.
Genau das geht eben nicht, damit wirst du nur auf die Fresse fallen und dir eine Betriebsprüfung ins Haus holen. Egal ob du mit Bitcoin, ausländischen Währungen, Waren oder Misthaufen eine Transaktion abschließst, wenn ein Gewinn erzielt wird, muss dies immer versteuert werden. Finanzbeamte interessieren sich da wenig über Geschichten von Monopolygeld oder was auch immer.
Die juckt es auch nicht, wenn die sich bei ihren Berechnungen wenig Mühe machen und sich das ungünstig für dich auswirkt. Vielleicht bekommst du die Kohle dann irgendwann in 10 Jahren zurück, ich kann dir gerne eine Liste von Prozessen über Steuern schicken bei den 10 Jahre eine Kleinigkeit sind.
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Über die Einstufung kann man sich lange streiten. Monopolygeld ist es allerdings nicht.
Die Unterschiede ob BTC nun als Finanzinstrument oder ob es als "ausländische" Währung gesehen wird spielt steuerlich für die meisten Privatpersonen und Unternehmen quasi keine Rolle. Mit der jetztigen Einstufung können alle ganz gut leben. Was es nicht geben wird ist eine Einstufung, bei der auf magischeweise der Gewinn nicht mehr versteuert werden muss.
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Just playing devil's advocate, but how do you know that the 2011 movements weren't a withdrawal from mtGox that went into someone else's non-mtGox cold storage?
There are about 150k coins that caused the feb 6th spike in bitcoin days destroyed. It's a single owner and close to mtgox. It's either McCaleb or gox. I'm thinking it's McCaleb and it could be that he was trying to save the coins from bankruptcy. This has to be investigated. |
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Hallo,
wenn eine Firma, die nach HGB bilanziert, bitcoins kaufen möchte, muss der Erwerb der bitcoins ja irgendwie in der Buchhaltung aufgenommen werden. Wie macht man das? Als was bucht man den Erwerb von bitcoins?
Vielen Dank für eure Antworten!
Die BaFin hat BTC rechtlich verbindlich als Finanzinstrumente in der Form von Rechnungseinheiten gemäß § 1 Absatz 11 Satz 1 Kreditwesengesetz (KWG) qualifiziert. http://www.bafin.de/SharedDocs/Veroeffentlichungen/DE/Fachartikel/2014/fa_bj_1401_bitcoins.htmlMan könnte argumentieren, dass wenn man die Finanzinstrumente langfristig hält, man sie ins Anlagevermögen packen könnte. Allerdings würde ich davon momentan noch eher abraten. Einfach zu den Anschaffungskosten bilanzieren und ins Umlaufvermögen stecken. wer ist den nun maßgebend die bafin oder das Finanzministerium?? Wer ein Unternehmen hat und Kunden die Möglichkeit bietet mit Bitcoins zu bezahlen oder Lieferanten mit Bitcoins bezahlt für den ist nur das Finanzamt maßgebend. Man muss Bitcoins als Finanzinstrument bilanzieren. Wer ein Unternehmen hat das selber mit Bitcoins handelt und oder an Kunden verkauft anstatt nur Zahlungen damit durchzuführen muss bei der Bafin um Erlaubnis betteln. Eigentlich alles recht einfach gestaltet für Unternehmen und Privatpersonen die damit zahlen wollen. |
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Hallo,
wenn eine Firma, die nach HGB bilanziert, bitcoins kaufen möchte, muss der Erwerb der bitcoins ja irgendwie in der Buchhaltung aufgenommen werden. Wie macht man das? Als was bucht man den Erwerb von bitcoins?
Vielen Dank für eure Antworten!
Die BaFin hat BTC rechtlich verbindlich als Finanzinstrumente in der Form von Rechnungseinheiten gemäß § 1 Absatz 11 Satz 1 Kreditwesengesetz (KWG) qualifiziert. http://www.bafin.de/SharedDocs/Veroeffentlichungen/DE/Fachartikel/2014/fa_bj_1401_bitcoins.htmlMan könnte argumentieren, dass wenn man die Finanzinstrumente langfristig hält, man sie ins Anlagevermögen packen könnte. Allerdings würde ich davon momentan noch eher abraten. Einfach zu den Anschaffungskosten bilanzieren und ins Umlaufvermögen stecken. |
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"No chance on getting that money back. "
Well my money was on the way, 6 days after MtGox turned off.
Doesn't matter when it was and if they were turned off. Remember the german bank that did some swap or something like that with Lehman brothers on the date they declared bankruptcy? 500m gone cuz they didn't cancel the auto payment.
They got some money back during the liquidiation, same will happen to your money. 25% maybe.
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I would love to prove it, but with this bunch, and there adept ways at swindling your eyeballs out, posting a pic of my Feb transfer form, and a pic of my current brokerage account balance (I wired it from the brokerage, not the checking) would NOT be a good idea.
Next thing I know the power would go out to my house and boxes of dildos bought with my debit card would pile up on my front door.
Because it's impossible to show the refund with redacted personal info? print screen, use paint/gimp |
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No chance on getting that money back.
Maybe 20 something percent with liquidation or if it's fraud you'll get 100% on paper but they can't pay it.
But maybe the poland situation is different, not sure about the gox company structure.
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the Silk Road server, even though operating in a foreign jurisdiction, was infiltrated then seized by US Federal law enforcement.
The operator of Megaupload might also beg to differ with you. The problem with your Silk Road server assumption is that it was NOT in a foregin jurisdiction. It was in fact hosted within the United States of Fascism. That's not correct. In particular, the FBI has located in a certain foreign country the server used to host Silk Road's website (the "Silk Road Web Server"). Pursuant to a Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty request, an image of the Silk Road Web Server was made on or about July 23, 2013, and produced thereafter to the FBI. There was backup server in the US though at JTAN which was revealed mid february. |
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These are the facts. Not speculation. The FBI together with the IRS Criminal Investigation Division, ICE Homeland Security Investigations and the Drug Enforcement Administration seized the cold wallets in or around May 2013. All who have lost coins must wait, until at least the 1st of April, the latest being the 16th of May, before considering any drastic action. After that, if the facts do not change, there is sufficient evidence to apply for an injunction ordering the US Government to release the seized property. there is the failing. the pastebin creator is obviously american and does not understand that karpeles is in japan.. where american authorities cannot seize peoples computer data! Silk road server was in a foreign country and yet it showed:  ICE Homeland security also seized the gox fiat. IRS probably is interested in the gox tax info. It could be same gang wanting that stuff of course through japanese authorities - but they most certainly would not refuse that like the Megaupload shit in New Zealand or the Silk Road shit in a yet unknown country. |
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The list doesn't show trading losses. It just shows who sold a lot of coins for cash.
There are lot of coins sold by Mark early in 2011/2012 to pay the stuff for the company. Probably his own coins or the bitcoin fees?
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