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21  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread on: May 13, 2014, 01:55:21 PM
If you demand your refund per their online sales agreement, and they dont refund you within 30 days, simply sue them.

It is a case won almost 100% guaranteed and they will face additional legal costs.


+1
22  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread on: May 09, 2014, 02:21:21 PM
The "Bundesanwaltschaft" will do nothing ...

They will forward the file, for sure.
23  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread on: May 09, 2014, 01:44:31 PM
.. just fill your data in here:

------------------- snip ---

[Von:]
An: Bundesanwaltschaft, Taubenstr. 16, CH-3003 Bern
[Datum:]
Betreff: Strafanzeige wegen Betruges gemäß Art.146 StGB
Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,
hiermit erstatte ich Strafanzeige gegen Bitmine AG, Centro la Monda 2, CH-6528 Camorino wegen des Verdachts des Betruges und stelle Strafantrag wegen aller in Betracht kommenden Delikte.
Dem liegt folgender Sachverhalt zugrunde:
Ich bin Geschädigter.
Am [Datum] bestellte ich bei Bitmine AG Waren im Wert von [Betrag].
Die bestellten Waren wurden bis dato nicht geliefert.
Die zugesagte Rückzahlung wurde ebenfalls bis dato nicht geleistet.
 [Belege zur Beweisleistung]
   Beweis: Bestellung, AGB und Rückforderungsformular
Mithin ist davon auszugehen, dass Bitmine AG von ihrer Lieferunfähigkeit bereits zu einem früheren Zeitpunkt Kenntnis hatte und dennoch böswillig unter vorspiegeln der Bereitschaft zur Lieferung und der Zusage einer Rückzahlung, bei Nichtlieferung, sich mit der Absicht, sich einen rechtswidrigen Vermögensvorteil zu verschaffen, handelt.
Infolge dessen ist dem Geschädigten ein Schaden in Höhe von [Betrag] entstanden.
Somit besteht der Verdacht des Betruges gem. Art.146 StGB.
Überdies ist das Bestreben, sich durch wiederholte Begehung entsprechender Taten eine Einnahmequelle, im Sinne einer Gewerbsmäßigkeit gem. Art.146 StGB Ziff.2 ,zu verschaffen, nicht auszuschließen.
Ich bitte Sie daher, die entsprechenden Ermittlungen einzuleiten und mich über das Ergebnis des Ermittlungsverfahrens zu informieren.

------------------- snip ---

.. and you can file this fraud online (only PDF) here:

https://www.privasphere.com/e?a9kvbwgpj5s6xk7bdo65




24  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread on: May 09, 2014, 11:32:54 AM
Art. 146
  
Betrug

1 Wer in der Absicht, sich oder einen andern unrechtmässig zu bereichern, jemanden durch Vorspiegelung oder Unterdrückung von Tatsachen arglistig irreführt oder ihn in einem Irrtum arglistig bestärkt und so den Irrenden zu einem Verhalten bestimmt, wodurch dieser sich selbst oder einen andern am Vermögen schädigt, wird mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu fünf Jahren oder Geldstrafe bestraft.

2 Handelt der Täter gewerbsmässig, so wird er mit Freiheitsstrafe bis zu zehn Jahren oder Geldstrafe nicht unter 90 Tagessätzen bestraft.


25  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread on: May 09, 2014, 11:10:03 AM

I'm planning to go to Swiss soon (maybe with a few more dissatisfied customer who filed their refund at: www.bitminerefund.com ), is it something a non-swiss citizen can file at a police station?

Please let me know!

If you want to file a "Betrug" case at "Staatsanwaltschaft", you have to do by mail BUT
you can file it at every (!) Police-Station (they will forward it to the right place for you).

You will need to provide copies of your order, correspondence aso.
26  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread on: May 09, 2014, 10:31:15 AM

I talked to my lawyer yestrrday and he said We can make the betreibungsverfahren and also a criminal complaint and, dont know the word on english, Schadensersatz.


.. I guess it's better and for free to file a "Betrug" at the "Staatsanwaltschaft".

It's an official criminal act and all this bastards will go to jail.
27  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread on: May 07, 2014, 02:21:58 PM
.. 16.20 local time .. website down  Shocked
28  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BITMINE.CH List of Asked Refund for CoinCraft Desk/RIG on: May 07, 2014, 02:17:30 PM
.. I'm trying to get my refund from this company for two orders, total ~ $ 50.000

I'm now planning to visit their facility ..

.. to do what  Huh
29  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BITMINE.CH List of Asked Refund for CoinCraft Desk/RIG on: May 07, 2014, 11:48:59 AM

04.th april. regardless bitmine says it is registered at the 8th with them ..

.. same happened to me  Angry

It's like "Kindergarten"  Angry

.. look's like every day is important to them  Huh
30  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread on: April 30, 2014, 01:37:32 PM

I got my refund in cash today!


ca$h Huh?

.. you was there .. in Tessin?

.. with a gun in your hand  Grin
31  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread on: April 30, 2014, 11:26:42 AM
.. just file a lawsuit "Betrug" at any Police-Station or by mail to "Staatsanwaltschaft" ..

http://www.rwi.uzh.ch/elt-lst-wohlers/strafrechtbt/betrug/de/html/index.html?c=1
32  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread on: April 30, 2014, 10:51:01 AM

Thank you ..


WERE ARE THE REFUND ?

THANK YOU FOR ANSWER
33  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: bitmine failed in so many ways... on: April 30, 2014, 08:59:39 AM
Not refunding people within 30 days after refund is requested (according to "terms of sale" 5.4) - fail!

.. this is a crime .. and should be treated as a crime  Angry

+ 1 with That !! If refund is more than 30 days late go to your nearest police station.

.. bitmine.ch is still Advertising with delivery date (!) next week  Roll Eyes .. even they are not delivered the open orders  Angry

34  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread on: April 30, 2014, 05:56:13 AM

Yes, that's what i was talking about. The article you linked basically states the two different ways a company goes bankrupt. The first part describes how a company declares bunkruptcy by itself due to insolvency (liabilities exceeding the assets). I hope bitmine doesn't have to declare bankruptcy, because in this case (usually) there won't be much money left to repay their customers. The second part explains the procedure how a creditor can drive a company into bankruptcy. If the deptor is solvent, he can avoid the opening of bunkruptcy until the actual opening through the judge, if he's willing to pay. If the deptor is able to do that, he also has to pay procedurals cost plus the costs of a lawyer.

But to enforce the bankruptcy proceeding, you need a judical decision which states, that the company (bitmine) owes you a certain amount of money. Therefore you need to initiate the regular civil litigation. Before you can "call" the civil court, you need to go through the "mediation proceeding", where you won't get compensated for your expenses. If bitmine is liquid, at the latest they will pay you at this point.

To go through the entire procedure to get to the point, when you can drive bitmine into bankruptcy, it cant take up to 2 - 6 month, if they dont refund you at any moment before the court opens bankruptcy. As soon as the court opens bankruptcy, all creditors are able to join the bankruptcy proceedings within 30 days without going through the proceeding in front of the civil court.

I hope this makes sense.

@giorgio: If necessary, I'll go through this shit to the bitter end. I can't stand how you abused the reputation of swiss business standards to build trust in your company. Hope is the last to die. I still have gleam of hope that you hold up to your promises (TOS). if not, good luck... Angry




It's not necessary .. after 30 days of waiting for refund you can file a lawsuit regarding "Betrug" .. you don't even need a lawyer  Grin

http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/311_0/a146.html

35  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread on: April 29, 2014, 11:40:57 AM

This starts with sending your refund request by registered mail, as it will be quite easy for them to simply deny the receipt of your refund request if you only email them, or they will use some other delay tactics.


.. they do already .. sent the refund request and got the receipt after 5 (!) days  Angry
36  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread on: April 29, 2014, 05:08:54 AM

I asked for a refund earlier this month. After the 31th day, I'll give them a notice of default and set a short grace period of 5 days to refund me in USD. From this point, they have to pay default charges of 5% (in addition to the 10%). If they don't refund me by the end of the grace period, I'm going to file a lawsuit (Vermittlungsbegehren, afterwards lawsuit at the court of bellinzona). There's no such thing as a class action in Switzerland, but it's possible to file a lawsuit together (permissive joinder of parties).

I'm so fuc**** angry at this company! If they are going to scam me with the refund, I'm going to use every legal method (including press) to bring them (especially Giorgo) to justice! I'm also willing to help others enforcing the swiss law (I work in the law business).

I'll keep you updated if I get my refund in time or not.


I guess it's time to file a lawsuit together and liquidate bitmine  Undecided
37  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: bitmine failed in so many ways... on: April 28, 2014, 01:30:40 PM
Not refunding people within 30 days after refund is requested (according to "terms of sale" 5.4) - fail!

.. this is a crime .. and should be treated as a crime  Angry
38  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BITMINE.CH List of Asked Refund for CoinCraft Desk/RIG on: April 28, 2014, 12:47:10 PM
If they are over 30 day's without refund, just hand the case over to a lawyer .. then you should be on the safe side ..
39  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread on: April 16, 2014, 07:30:01 AM
Tday is 26 days when they gave my request to refound to their credit team... And still no money on my account!

I hope they are waiting for the last day... And that is it!

.. got somebody a refund at all?
40  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread on: April 16, 2014, 05:08:32 AM
.. it's like (Swiss, ohh no .. Italien) kindergarten .. they confirm the receipt of the refund-request-form after five days  Cry

I guess they are waiting for any miracle to come  Grin
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