Steamboat, thanks for quick and clear updates and also thanks for pre-purchasing the batch 6.

Just bought 16 * 13 = 208 chips and already sent email to ASICbuy@gmail.com according to the format.

Hope the confirmation links and mail will come soon from you,steamboat.

Need to know more information about remote access,mining pool selection at hosting services.

Another question: Can anyone ask to ship his fully assembled unit to his shipping address after taking hosting service for some months? For me, this year and till mid next year I won't be able to host the device at my place but from the mid-next year I want to bring back the device to my new place. I think that shouldn't be a problem,right ? What are the criteria?

Want to buy around 200 chips..Can anyone give any update of Batch 6? And why the hell avalon showing out of stack? Funniest way to down a site for maintenance from around 26th June. Does it take 1 week to maintain that wordpress site? Are they gonna close selling chips? What will happen to batch 6? People!! speak up.

@Steamboat, if I send bitcoins i.e. buy cheap now. And if avalon continues showing out of stack, what will be the process of refund for batch 6 chips in case any buyer wants his BTC back?

What's the update of batch 6? still 3333 remaining?

@Tamis,
     

Some Explanations..

       on average difficulty will be increased every 14 days almost
Date   Increase(%)   Difficulty Level(D)
2/5/2013   10.33            3651012
2/18/2013   11.47            4367876
3/1/2013   19.63            4847647
3/14/2013   10.98            6695826
3/24/2013   38.13      7673000
4/5/2013   14.59     8974296
4/17/2013   12.28    10076293
4/30/2013   12.28    11187257
5/12/2013   11.03    11187257
5/25/2013   8.64      12153412
6/5/2013   28.41           15605633
       16.16090909
                  ||
you can see the average increase in 16.16% from February 2nd upto June 6....
Why do you think the last big 28.41% increase? probably lots of guys got their BFLS and avalon mining devices !!!!

So every 11 day the difficulty is not going to be increased by a fixed (10/20/25/30) % , but on average it will be more than 10~15%. So for you in some weeks when the difficulty is low can be luckier...But difficulty will make that up in the next session.  

If difficulty: D
   Number of Found Blocks: N
   Total Network Hash Rate:H   =  time * hashrate of miners
For each hash the proability of solving a block is  1/(2^32 * D)   (Read the difficulty page from bitcoin wiki)

D = Maximum Target / Current Target

Current Target gets adjusted so that on average every 2 week the number of blocks found is 2016 (1 block in 10 minutes).
So, why difficulty increases some week? -  Because in the previous 2 week session, miners mined way more than 2016 blocks. But then the difficulty gets increased heavily. But even though, miners mine more than 2016 blocks (but comparatively less than the previous time).So this time difficulty gets increased slightly.. Then miners again mine way more than 2016 blocks with their new hash powers.. These go on and these will continue going on resulting huge network hash rate...

so the fixed increase is actually a rough estimation only.. but the picture will be the same..
It depends on you, which week you are mining..It may turn luckier for you but that won't go on forever..
Thank you.

you can download the xls file from here:
http://brishtiteveja.com/Downloads/Timevsdifficulty.xlsx

@qiuness and others,
you can download the xls file from here:
http://brishtiteveja.com/Downloads/Timevsdifficulty.xlsx
I will appreciate if anyone edit any mistakes and extend this xls file with other data or graphs or so on.. And please update.. and post in my thread..
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232670.msg2459769#msg2459769
@drazgor,
       on average difficulty will be increased every 14 days almost
Date   Increase(%)   Difficulty Level(D)
2/5/2013   10.33            3651012
2/18/2013   11.47            4367876
3/1/2013   19.63            4847647
3/14/2013   10.98            6695826
3/24/2013   38.13      7673000
4/5/2013   14.59     8974296
4/17/2013   12.28    10076293
4/30/2013   12.28    11187257
5/12/2013   11.03    11187257
5/25/2013   8.64      12153412
6/5/2013   28.41           15605633
       16.16090909
                  ||
you can see the average increase in 16.16% from February 2nd upto June 6....
Why do you think the last big 28.41% increase? probably lots of guys got their BFLS and avalon mining devices !!!!

So every 11 day the difficulty is not going to be increased by a fixed (10/20/25/30) % , but on average it will be more than 10~15%. So for you in some weeks when the difficulty is low can be luckier...But difficulty will make that up in the next session.  

If difficulty: D
   Number of Found Blocks: N
   Total Network Hash Rate:H   =  time * hashrate of miners
For each hash the proability of solving a block is  1/(2^32 * D)   (Read the difficulty page from bitcoin wiki)

D = Maximum Target / Current Target

Current Target gets adjusted so that on average every 2 week the number of blocks found is 2016 (1 block in 10 minutes).
So, why difficulty increases some week? -  Because in the previous 2 week session, miners mined way more than 2016 blocks. But then the difficulty gets increased heavily. But even though, miners mine more than 2016 blocks (but comparatively less than the previous time).So this time difficulty gets increased slightly.. Then miners again mine way more than 2016 blocks with their new hash powers.. These go on and these will continue going on resulting huge network hash rate...

so the fixed increase is actually a rough estimation only.. but the picture will be the same..
It depends on you, which week you are mining..It may turn luckier for you but that won't go on forever..
Thank you.

Check out what your kncminer will reward you..
Rough estimation/future prediction..
Originally from this thread.. Finding any mistake will be appreciated..

Assumptions:
    1. Static difficulty increase.
    2. BTC/USD rate  1BTC/120USD
(These assumptions may turn to be false, but they are true for now, can be worse)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232670.0;topicseen
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjEbQ5LBKsAEdDYtajZTMi1Ua0ZkUXR0X0NKSnVaSXc#gid=0


Thank you..

   Bitcoin Time vs. Difficulty         N = (h * t)/(2^32 * D)     
         1 Tera Hash/sec = 10^12 Hash/sec   Number of Blocks per day   Number of Blocks per day   
Date   Increase(%)   Difficulty Level(D)   Network Hash Rate= D * 2^32/600    KNCMiner Jupiter(350GH/s)    KNCMiner Saturn(175GH/s)   
5-Feb   10.33   3,651,012   26,134,961,895,506    1.928451252   0.964225626   
18-Feb   11.47   4,367,876   31,266,474,288,306    1.611950217   0.805975108   
1-Mar   19.63   4,847,647   34,700,808,879,254    1.452415711   0.726207855   
14-Mar   10.98   6,695,826   47,930,589,482,844    1.051520554   0.525760277   
24-Mar   38.13   7,673,000   54,925,473,437,013    0.91760702   0.45880351   
5-Apr   14.59   8,974,296   64,240,513,041,039    0.784551642   0.392275821   
17-Apr   12.28   10,076,293   72,128,914,833,190    0.698748901   0.349374451   
30-Apr   12.28   11,187,257   80,081,504,911,579    0.629358802   0.314679401   
12-May   11.03   11,187,257   80,081,504,911,579    0.629358802   0.314679401   
25-May   8.64   12,153,412   86,997,511,791,357    0.579326914   0.289663457   
5-Jun   28.41   15,605,633   111,709,472,280,631    0.451170335   0.225585167   
   16.16090909               
       Payout=(Sum of Bitcoins per day in a range)*11day*25BTC* 120USD      354237.1849   177118.5925   
                                                                 USD                                                               USD   
                 
                 
                 
   Future Prediction with average 15% difficulty increase per 11 day         Number of Blocks per day   Number of Blocks per day   
Date   Change   Difficulty(D)   Network Hash Rate= D * 2^32/600    KNCMiner Jupiter(350GH/s)    KNCMiner Saturn(175GH/s)   
5-Jun   28.41%   15,605,633   111,709,472,280,631    0.451170335   0.225585167   Year 2013
16-Jun   15.00%   17,946,478   128,465,893,480,639    0.392322029   0.196161015   
27-Jun   15.00%   20,638,450    147,735,777,502,735    0.341149591   0.170574795   
8-Jul   15.00%   23,734,217    169,896,144,128,145    0.296651818   0.148325909   
19-Jul   15.00%   27,294,350    195,380,565,747,367    0.257958102   0.128979051   
30-Jul   15.00%   31,388,502    224,687,650,609,472    0.224311393   0.112155697   
10-Aug   15.00%   36,096,778    258,390,798,200,893    0.195053386   0.097526693   
21-Aug   15.00%   41,511,294    297,149,417,931,027    0.16961164   0.08480582   
1-Sep   15.00%   47,737,988    341,721,830,620,681    0.147488382   0.073744191   
12-Sep   15.00%   54,898,687    392,980,105,213,783    0.128250767   0.064125384   
23-Sep   15.00%   63,133,489    451,927,120,995,850    0.111522406   0.055761203   
4-Oct   15.00%   72,603,513    519,716,189,145,228    0.096976005   0.048488003   
15-Oct   15.00%   83,494,040    597,673,617,517,012    0.084326961   0.042163481   
26-Oct   15.00%   96,018,146    687,324,660,144,564    0.073327792   0.036663896   
6-Nov   15.00%   110,420,868    790,423,359,166,249    0.063763298   0.031881649   
17-Nov   15.00%   126,983,998    908,986,863,041,186    0.055446346   0.027723173   
28-Nov   15.00%   146,031,598    1,045,334,892,497,360    0.048214214   0.024107107   
9-Dec   15.00%   167,936,337    1,202,135,126,371,970    0.041925403   0.020962702   
20-Dec   15.00%   193,126,788    1,382,455,395,327,760    0.036456872   0.018228436   
31-Dec   15.00%   222,095,806    1,589,823,704,626,930    0.031701628   0.015850814   Year 2013 ends
11-Jan   15.00%   255,410,177    1,828,297,260,320,970    0.027566633   0.013783317   Year 2014 starts
22-Jan   15.00%   293,721,703    2,102,541,849,369,110    0.023970985   0.011985493   
2-Feb   15.00%   337,779,959    2,417,923,126,774,480    0.020844335   0.010422168   
13-Feb   15.00%   388,446,953    2,780,611,595,790,650    0.018125509   0.009062754   
24-Feb   15.00%   446,713,995    3,197,703,335,159,250    0.015761312   0.007880656   
7-Mar   15.00%   513,721,095    3,677,358,835,433,140    0.013705489   0.006852744   
18-Mar   15.00%   590,779,259    4,228,962,660,748,110    0.011917816   0.005958908   
29-Mar   15.00%   679,396,148    4,863,307,059,860,320    0.010363318   0.005181659   
9-Apr   15.00%   781,305,570    5,592,803,118,839,370    0.009011581   0.004505791   
20-Apr   15.00%   898,501,405    6,431,723,586,665,280    0.007836158   0.003918079   
1-May   15.00%   1,033,276,616    7,396,482,124,665,070    0.00681405   0.003407025   
12-May   15.00%   1,188,268,109    8,505,954,443,364,830    0.005925261   0.00296263   
23-May   15.00%   1,366,508,325    9,781,847,609,869,560    0.005152401   0.0025762   
3-Jun   15.00%   1,571,484,574    11,249,124,751,350,000    0.004480349   0.002240174   
14-Jun   15.00%   1,807,207,260    12,936,493,464,052,500    0.003895955   0.001947978   
25-Jun   15.00%   2,078,288,349    14,876,967,483,660,400    0.003387787   0.001693894   
6-Jul   15.00%   2,390,031,601    17,108,512,606,209,400    0.002945902   0.001472951   
17-Jul   15.00%   2,748,536,341    19,674,789,497,140,800    0.002561654   0.001280827   
28-Jul   15.00%   3,160,816,793    22,626,007,921,711,900    0.002227525   0.001113763   
8-Aug   15.00%   3,634,939,312    26,019,909,109,968,700    0.001936978   0.000968489   
19-Aug   15.00%   4,180,180,208    29,922,895,476,464,000    0.001684329   0.000842164   
30-Aug   15.00%   4,807,207,240    34,411,329,797,933,700    0.001464634   0.000732317   
10-Sep   15.00%   5,528,288,325    39,573,029,267,623,700    0.001273595   0.000636797   
21-Sep   15.00%   6,357,531,574    45,508,983,657,767,300    0.001107474   0.000553737   
2-Oct   15.00%   7,311,161,310    52,335,331,206,432,400    0.000963021   0.00048151   
13-Oct   15.00%   8,407,835,507    60,185,630,887,397,200    0.000837409   0.000418705   
24-Oct   15.00%   9,669,010,833    69,213,475,520,506,800    0.000728182   0.000364091   
4-Nov   15.00%   11,119,362,458    79,595,496,848,582,800    0.000633202   0.000316601   
15-Nov   15.00%   12,787,266,827    91,534,821,375,870,200    0.00055061   0.000275305   
26-Nov   15.00%   14,705,356,851    105,265,044,582,251,000    0.000478791   0.000239396   
7-Dec   15.00%   16,911,160,378    121,054,801,269,588,000    0.00041634   0.00020817   
18-Dec   15.00%   19,447,834,435    139,213,021,460,027,000    0.000362035   0.000181018   
29-Dec   15.00%   22,365,009,600    160,094,974,679,031,000    0.000314813   0.000157407   Year 2014 ends
                 
Future Prediction with average 10% difficulty increase                              Payout   13464.36166   3526.78365   
            Number of Blocks per day   Number of Blocks per day   
Date   Change   Difficulty(D)   Network Hash Rate= D * 2^32/600    KNCMiner Jupiter(350GH/s)    KNCMiner Saturn(175GH/s)   
5-Jun   28.41%   15,605,633   111,709,472,280,631    0.451170335   0.225585167   Year 2013 starts
16-Jun   10%   17,166,196    122,880,419,508,694    0.41015485   0.205077425   
27-Jun   10%   18,882,816    135,168,461,459,563    0.372868045   0.186434023   
8-Jul   10%   20,771,098    148,685,307,605,519    0.33897095   0.169485475   
19-Jul   10%   22,848,207    163,553,838,366,071    0.308155409   0.154077705   
30-Jul   10%   25,133,028    179,909,222,202,678    0.280141281   0.140070641   
10-Aug   10%   27,646,331    197,900,144,422,946    0.254673892   0.127336946   
21-Aug   10%   30,410,964    217,690,158,865,241    0.23152172   0.11576086   
1-Sep   10%   33,452,060    239,459,174,751,765    0.210474291   0.105237145   
12-Sep   10%   36,797,266    263,405,092,226,941    0.191340264   0.095670132   
23-Sep   10%   40,476,993    289,745,601,449,635    0.173945695   0.086972847   
4-Oct   10%   44,524,692    318,720,161,594,599    0.15813245   0.079066225   
15-Oct   10%   48,977,161    350,592,177,754,059    0.143756773   0.071878386   
26-Oct   10%   53,874,878    385,651,395,529,465    0.130687975   0.065343988   
6-Nov   10%   59,262,365    424,216,535,082,411    0.11880725   0.059403625   
17-Nov   10%   65,188,602    466,638,188,590,653    0.108006591   0.054003296   
28-Nov   10%   71,707,462    513,302,007,449,718    0.09818781   0.049093905   
9-Dec   10%   78,878,208    564,632,208,194,690    0.089261645   0.044630823   
20-Dec   10%   86,766,029    621,095,429,014,159    0.08114695   0.040573475   
31-Dec   10%   95,442,632    683,204,971,915,575    0.073769955   0.036884977   Year 2014 starts
11-Jan   10%   104,986,895    751,525,469,107,132    0.067063595   0.033531798   
22-Jan   10%   115,485,585    826,678,016,017,845    0.060966905   0.030483452   
2-Feb   10%   127,034,143    909,345,817,619,630    0.055424459   0.02771223   
13-Feb   10%   139,737,558    1,000,280,399,381,590    0.050385872   0.025192936   
24-Feb   10%   153,711,313    1,100,308,439,319,750    0.045805338   0.022902669   
7-Mar   10%   169,082,445    1,210,339,283,251,730    0.041641216   0.020820608   
18-Mar   10%   185,990,689    1,331,373,211,576,900    0.037855651   0.018927826   
29-Mar   10%   204,589,758    1,464,510,532,734,590    0.034414228   0.017207114   
9-Apr   10%   225,048,734    1,610,961,586,008,050    0.031285662   0.015642831   
20-Apr   10%   247,553,607    1,772,057,744,608,850    0.028441511   0.014220756   
1-May   10%   272,308,968    1,949,263,519,069,740    0.025855919   0.01292796   
12-May   10%   299,539,865    2,144,189,870,976,710    0.023505381   0.011752691   
23-May   10%   329,493,851    2,358,608,858,074,380    0.021368528   0.010684264   
3-Jun   10%   362,443,236    2,594,469,743,881,820    0.019425935   0.009712967   
14-Jun   10%   398,687,560    2,853,916,718,270,010    0.017659941   0.00882997   
25-Jun   10%   438,556,316    3,139,308,390,097,010    0.016054492   0.008027246   
6-Jul   10%   482,411,947    3,453,239,229,106,710    0.014594992   0.007297496   
17-Jul   10%   530,653,142    3,798,563,152,017,380    0.013268175   0.006634087   
28-Jul   10%   583,718,456    4,178,419,467,219,110    0.012061977   0.006030989   
8-Aug   10%   642,090,302    4,596,261,413,941,030    0.010965434   0.005482717   
19-Aug   10%   706,299,332    5,055,887,555,335,130    0.009968576   0.004984288   
30-Aug   10%   776,929,265    5,561,476,310,868,640    0.009062342   0.004531171   
10-Sep   10%   854,622,192    6,117,623,941,955,500    0.008238493   0.004119246   
21-Sep   10%   940,084,411    6,729,386,336,151,060    0.007489539   0.003744769   
2-Oct   10%   1,034,092,852    7,402,324,969,766,160    0.006808672   0.003404336   
13-Oct   10%   1,137,502,138    8,142,557,466,742,780    0.006189701   0.003094851   
24-Oct   10%   1,251,252,351    8,956,813,213,417,060    0.005627001   0.002813501   
4-Nov   10%   1,376,377,586    9,852,494,534,758,760    0.005115456   0.002557728   
15-Nov   10%   1,514,015,345    10,837,743,988,234,600    0.004650414   0.002325207   
26-Nov   10%   1,665,416,880    11,921,518,387,058,100    0.004227649   0.002113825   
7-Dec   10%   1,831,958,568    13,113,670,225,763,900    0.003843318   0.001921659   
18-Dec   10%   2,015,154,424    14,425,037,248,340,300    0.003493925   0.001746963   
29-Dec   10%   2,216,669,867    15,867,540,973,174,300    0.003176296   0.001588148   Year 2014 ends
                          Payout   25350.36299   12675.1815   
                 
                 
                 
Prediction with 20% Difficulty increase per day                   
                 
            Number of Blocks per day   Number of Blocks per day   
Date   Change   Difficulty(D)   Network Hash Rate= D * 2^32/600    KNCMiner Jupiter(350GH/s)    KNCMiner Saturn(175GH/s)   
5-Jun   28.41%   15,605,633   111,709,472,280,631    0.451170335   0.225585167   
16-Jun   20%   18,726,760    134,051,366,736,757    0.375975279   0.187987639   
27-Jun   20%   22,472,112    160,861,640,084,108    0.313312732   0.156656366   
8-Jul   20%   26,966,534    193,033,968,100,930    0.261093944   0.130546972   
19-Jul   20%   32,359,841    231,640,761,721,116    0.217578286   0.108789143   
30-Jul   20%   38,831,809    277,968,914,065,339    0.181315239   0.090657619   
10-Aug   20%   46,598,170    333,562,696,878,407    0.151096032   0.075548016   
21-Aug   20%   55,917,805    400,275,236,254,088    0.12591336   0.06295668   
1-Sep   20%   67,101,365    480,330,283,504,906    0.1049278   0.0524639   
12-Sep   20%   80,521,639    576,396,340,205,887    0.087439833   0.043719917   
23-Sep   20%   96,625,966    691,675,608,247,064    0.072866528   0.036433264   
4-Oct   20%   115,951,159    830,010,729,896,477    0.060722107   0.030361053   
15-Oct   20%   139,141,391    996,012,875,875,772    0.050601755   0.025300878   
26-Oct   20%   166,969,670    1,195,215,451,050,930    0.04216813   0.021084065   
6-Nov   20%   200,363,604    1,434,258,541,261,110    0.035140108   0.017570054   
17-Nov   20%   240,436,324    1,721,110,249,513,330    0.029283423   0.014641712   
28-Nov   20%   288,523,589    2,065,332,299,416,000    0.024402853   0.012201426   
9-Dec   20%   346,228,307    2,478,398,759,299,200    0.020335711   0.010167855   
20-Dec   20%   415,473,968    2,974,078,511,159,040    0.016946426   0.008473213   
31-Dec   20%   498,568,762    3,568,894,213,390,850    0.014122021   0.007061011   
11-Jan   20%   598,282,515    4,282,673,056,069,020    0.011768351   0.005884176   
22-Jan   20%   717,939,017    5,139,207,667,282,820    0.009806959   0.00490348   
2-Feb   20%   861,526,821    6,167,049,200,739,390    0.008172466   0.004086233   
13-Feb   20%   1,033,832,185    7,400,459,040,887,270    0.006810388   0.003405194   
24-Feb   20%   1,240,598,622    8,880,550,849,064,720    0.005675324   0.002837662   
7-Mar   20%   1,488,718,347    10,656,661,018,877,700    0.004729436   0.002364718   
18-Mar   20%   1,786,462,016    12,787,993,222,653,200    0.003941197   0.001970598   
29-Mar   20%   2,143,754,419    15,345,591,867,183,800    0.003284331   0.001642165   
9-Apr   20%   2,572,505,303    18,414,710,240,620,600    0.002736942   0.001368471   
20-Apr   20%   3,087,006,363    22,097,652,288,744,700    0.002280785   0.001140393   
1-May   20%   3,704,407,636    26,517,182,746,493,700    0.001900654   0.000950327   
12-May   20%   4,445,289,163    31,820,619,295,792,400    0.001583879   0.000791939   
23-May   20%   5,334,346,996    38,184,743,154,950,900    0.001319899   0.000659949   
3-Jun   20%   6,401,216,395    45,821,691,785,941,100    0.001099916   0.000549958   
14-Jun   20%   7,681,459,674    54,986,030,143,129,300    0.000916596   0.000458298   
25-Jun   20%   9,217,751,609    65,983,236,171,755,100    0.00076383   0.000381915   
6-Jul   20%   11,061,301,931    79,179,883,406,106,200    0.000636525   0.000318263   
17-Jul   20%   13,273,562,317    95,015,860,087,327,400    0.000530438   0.000265219   
28-Jul   20%   15,928,274,780    114,019,032,104,793,000    0.000442031   0.000221016   
8-Aug   20%   19,113,929,736    136,822,838,525,751,000    0.00036836   0.00018418   
19-Aug   20%   22,936,715,684    164,187,406,230,902,000    0.000306966   0.000153483   
30-Aug   20%   27,524,058,820    197,024,887,477,082,000    0.000255805   0.000127903   
10-Sep   20%   33,028,870,584    236,429,864,972,498,000    0.000213171   0.000106586   
21-Sep   20%   39,634,644,701    283,715,837,966,998,000    0.000177643   8.88213E-05   
2-Oct   20%   47,561,573,641    340,459,005,560,398,000    0.000148035   7.40177E-05   
13-Oct   20%   57,073,888,370    408,550,806,672,477,000    0.000123363   6.16814E-05   
24-Oct   20%   68,488,666,044    490,260,968,006,973,000    0.000102802   5.14012E-05   
4-Nov   20%   82,186,399,252    588,313,161,608,367,000    8.56687E-05   4.28343E-05   
15-Nov   20%   98,623,679,103    705,975,793,930,041,000    7.13905E-05   3.56953E-05   
26-Nov   20%   118,348,414,923    847,170,952,716,049,000    5.94921E-05   2.97461E-05   
7-Dec   20%   142,018,097,908    1,016,605,143,259,260,000    4.95768E-05   2.47884E-05   
18-Dec   20%   170,421,717,490    1,219,926,171,911,110,000    4.1314E-05   2.0657E-05   
29-Dec   20%   204,506,060,988    1,463,911,406,293,330,000    3.44283E-05   1.72142E-05   
                          Payout   3991.297484   2398.295812   
                 
                 
                 
                 
                 
Prediction with 25% Difficulty increase per day                   
                 
            Number of Blocks per day   Number of Blocks per day   
Date   Change   Difficulty(D)   Network Hash Rate= D * 2^32/600    KNCMiner Jupiter(350GH/s)    KNCMiner Saturn(175GH/s)   
5-Jun   28.41%   15,605,633   111,709,472,280,631    0.451170335   0.225585167   
16-Jun   25%   19,507,041    139,636,840,350,788    0.360936268   0.180468134   
27-Jun   25%   24,383,802    174,546,050,438,485    0.288749014   0.144374507   
8-Jul   25%   30,479,752    218,182,563,048,107    0.230999211   0.115499606   
19-Jul   25%   38,099,690    272,728,203,810,133    0.184799369   0.092399685   
30-Jul   25%   47,624,612    340,910,254,762,667    0.147839495   0.073919748   
10-Aug   25%   59,530,766    426,137,818,453,333    0.118271596   0.059135798   
21-Aug   25%   74,413,457    532,672,273,066,667    0.094617277   0.047308638   
1-Sep   25%   93,016,821    665,840,341,333,333    0.075693822   0.037846911   
12-Sep   25%   116,271,026    832,300,426,666,667    0.060555057   0.030277529   
23-Sep   25%   145,338,783    1,040,375,533,333,330    0.048444046   0.024222023   
4-Oct   25%   181,673,479    1,300,469,416,666,670    0.038755237   0.019377618   
15-Oct   25%   227,091,849    1,625,586,770,833,330    0.031004189   0.015502095   
26-Oct   25%   283,864,811    2,031,983,463,541,670    0.024803351   0.012401676   
6-Nov   25%   354,831,013    2,539,979,329,427,080    0.019842681   0.009921341   
17-Nov   25%   443,538,767    3,174,974,161,783,850    0.015874145   0.007937072   
28-Nov   25%   554,423,458    3,968,717,702,229,820    0.012699316   0.006349658   
9-Dec   25%   693,029,323    4,960,897,127,787,270    0.010159453   0.005079726   
20-Dec   25%   866,286,654    6,201,121,409,734,090    0.008127562   0.004063781   
31-Dec   25%   1,082,858,317    7,751,401,762,167,610    0.00650205   0.003251025   
11-Jan   25%   1,353,572,896    9,689,252,202,709,520    0.00520164   0.00260082   
22-Jan   25%   1,691,966,120    12,111,565,253,386,900    0.004161312   0.002080656   
2-Feb   25%   2,114,957,650    15,139,456,566,733,600    0.003329049   0.001664525   
13-Feb   25%   2,643,697,063    18,924,320,708,417,000    0.00266324   0.00133162   
24-Feb   25%   3,304,621,328    23,655,400,885,521,300    0.002130592   0.001065296   
7-Mar   25%   4,130,776,661    29,569,251,106,901,600    0.001704473   0.000852237   
18-Mar   25%   5,163,470,826    36,961,563,883,627,000    0.001363579   0.000681789   
29-Mar   25%   6,454,338,532    46,201,954,854,533,800    0.001090863   0.000545431   
9-Apr   25%   8,067,923,165    57,752,443,568,167,200    0.00087269   0.000436345   
20-Apr   25%   10,084,903,956    72,190,554,460,209,000    0.000698152   0.000349076   
1-May   25%   12,606,129,946    90,238,193,075,261,200    0.000558522   0.000279261   
12-May   25%   15,757,662,432    112,797,741,344,077,000    0.000446817   0.000223409   
23-May   25%   19,697,078,040    140,997,176,680,096,000    0.000357454   0.000178727   
3-Jun   25%   24,621,347,550    176,246,470,850,120,000    0.000285963   0.000142982   
14-Jun   25%   30,776,684,437    220,308,088,562,650,000    0.000228771   0.000114385   
25-Jun   25%   38,470,855,547    275,385,110,703,312,000    0.000183016   9.15082E-05   
6-Jul   25%   48,088,569,433    344,231,388,379,140,000    0.000146413   7.32066E-05   
17-Jul   25%   60,110,711,792    430,289,235,473,925,000    0.000117131   5.85653E-05   
28-Jul   25%   75,138,389,740    537,861,544,342,406,000    9.37044E-05   4.68522E-05   
8-Aug   25%   93,922,987,174    672,326,930,428,008,000    7.49635E-05   3.74818E-05   
19-Aug   25%   117,403,733,968    840,408,663,035,010,000    5.99708E-05   2.99854E-05   
30-Aug   25%   146,754,667,460    1,050,510,828,793,760,000    4.79767E-05   2.39883E-05   
10-Sep   25%   183,443,334,325    1,313,138,535,992,200,000    3.83813E-05   1.91907E-05   
21-Sep   25%   229,304,167,906    1,641,423,169,990,250,000    3.07051E-05   1.53525E-05   
2-Oct   25%   286,630,209,883    2,051,778,962,487,820,000    2.4564E-05   1.2282E-05   
13-Oct   25%   358,287,762,354    2,564,723,703,109,770,000    1.96512E-05   9.82562E-06   
24-Oct   25%   447,859,702,942    3,205,904,628,887,210,000    1.5721E-05   7.8605E-06   
4-Nov   25%   559,824,628,678    4,007,380,786,109,020,000    1.25768E-05   6.2884E-06   
15-Nov   25%   699,780,785,847    5,009,225,982,636,270,000    1.00614E-05   5.03072E-06   
26-Nov   25%   874,725,982,309    6,261,532,478,295,340,000    8.04915E-06   4.02457E-06   
7-Dec   25%   1,093,407,477,886    7,826,915,597,869,170,000    6.43932E-06   3.21966E-06   
18-Dec   25%   1,366,759,347,357    9,783,644,497,336,470,000    5.15145E-06   2.57573E-06   
29-Dec   25%   1,708,449,184,197    12,229,555,621,670,600,000    4.12116E-06   2.06058E-06   
                          Payout   1671.24337   1045.160398   
                 
                 
                 
                 
                 
Prediction with 30% Difficulty increase per day                   
                 
            Number of Blocks per day   Number of Blocks per day   
Date   Change   Difficulty(D)   Network Hash Rate= D * 2^32/600    KNCMiner Jupiter(350GH/s)    KNCMiner Saturn(175GH/s)   
5-Jun   28.41%   15,605,633   111,709,472,280,631    0.451170335   0.225585167   
16-Jun   30%   20,287,323    145,222,313,964,820    0.347054104   0.173527052   
27-Jun   30%   26,373,520    188,789,008,154,266    0.266964695   0.133482348   
8-Jul   30%   34,285,576    245,425,710,600,545    0.205357458   0.102678729   
19-Jul   30%   44,571,248    319,053,423,780,709    0.157967275   0.078983638   
30-Jul   30%   57,942,623    414,769,450,914,922    0.121513289   0.060756644   
10-Aug   30%   75,325,410    539,200,286,189,398    0.09347176   0.04673588   
21-Aug   30%   97,923,033    700,960,372,046,218    0.071901354   0.035950677   
1-Sep   30%   127,299,943    911,248,483,660,083    0.055308734   0.027654367   
12-Sep   30%   165,489,925    1,184,623,028,758,110    0.04254518   0.02127259   
23-Sep   30%   215,136,903    1,540,009,937,385,540    0.032727062   0.016363531   
4-Oct   30%   279,677,974    2,002,012,918,601,200    0.025174663   0.012587331   
15-Oct   30%   363,581,366    2,602,616,794,181,560    0.019365125   0.009682563   
26-Oct   30%   472,655,776    3,383,401,832,436,030    0.01489625   0.007448125   
6-Nov   30%   614,452,509    4,398,422,382,166,840    0.011458654   0.005729327   
17-Nov   30%   798,788,261    5,717,949,096,816,890    0.008814349   0.004407175   
28-Nov   30%   1,038,424,740    7,433,333,825,861,960    0.006780269   0.003390134   
9-Dec   30%   1,349,952,161    9,663,333,973,620,550    0.005215591   0.002607796   
20-Dec   30%   1,754,937,810    12,562,334,165,706,700    0.004011993   0.002005997   
31-Dec   30%   2,281,419,153    16,331,034,415,418,700    0.003086149   0.001543074   
11-Jan   30%   2,965,844,898    21,230,344,740,044,300    0.002373961   0.00118698   
22-Jan   30%   3,855,598,368    27,599,448,162,057,600    0.001826123   0.000913062   
2-Feb   30%   5,012,277,878    35,879,282,610,674,900    0.00140471   0.000702355   
13-Feb   30%   6,515,961,242    46,643,067,393,877,400    0.001080546   0.000540273   
24-Feb   30%   8,470,749,615    60,635,987,612,040,600    0.00083119   0.000415595   
7-Mar   30%   11,011,974,499    78,826,783,895,652,800    0.000639377   0.000319688   
18-Mar   30%   14,315,566,849    102,474,819,064,349,000    0.000491828   0.000245914   
29-Mar   30%   18,610,236,903    133,217,264,783,653,000    0.000378329   0.000189165   
9-Apr   30%   24,193,307,974    173,182,444,218,749,000    0.000291023   0.000145511   
20-Apr   30%   31,451,300,366    225,137,177,484,374,000    0.000223864   0.000111932   
1-May   30%   40,886,690,476    292,678,330,729,686,000    0.000172203   8.61014E-05   
12-May   30%   53,152,697,619    380,481,829,948,592,000    0.000132464   6.62318E-05   
23-May   30%   69,098,506,905    494,626,378,933,170,000    0.000101895   5.09475E-05   
3-Jun   30%   89,828,058,977    643,014,292,613,121,000    7.83808E-05   3.91904E-05   
14-Jun   30%   116,776,476,670    835,918,580,397,057,000    6.0293E-05   3.01465E-05   
25-Jun   30%   151,809,419,671    1,086,694,154,516,170,000    4.63792E-05   2.31896E-05   
6-Jul   30%   197,352,245,572    1,412,702,400,871,030,000    3.56763E-05   1.78382E-05   
17-Jul   30%   256,557,919,243    1,836,513,121,132,330,000    2.74433E-05   1.37217E-05   
28-Jul   30%   333,525,295,016    2,387,467,057,472,030,000    2.11102E-05   1.05551E-05   
8-Aug   30%   433,582,883,521    3,103,707,174,713,640,000    1.62386E-05   8.11932E-06   
19-Aug   30%   563,657,748,577    4,034,819,327,127,740,000    1.24913E-05   6.24563E-06   
30-Aug   30%   732,755,073,151    5,245,265,125,266,060,000    9.60867E-06   4.80433E-06   
10-Sep   30%   952,581,595,096    6,818,844,662,845,880,000    7.39128E-06   3.69564E-06   
21-Sep   30%   1,238,356,073,624    8,864,498,061,699,640,000    5.6856E-06   2.8428E-06   
2-Oct   30%   1,609,862,895,712    11,523,847,480,209,500,000    4.37354E-06   2.18677E-06   
13-Oct   30%   2,092,821,764,425    14,981,001,724,272,400,000    3.36426E-06   1.68213E-06   
24-Oct   30%   2,720,668,293,753    19,475,302,241,554,100,000    2.58789E-06   1.29395E-06   
4-Nov   30%   3,536,868,781,879    25,317,892,914,020,300,000    1.99069E-06   9.95343E-07   
15-Nov   30%   4,597,929,416,442    32,913,260,788,226,400,000    1.5313E-06   7.65649E-07   
26-Nov   30%   5,977,308,241,375    42,787,239,024,694,400,000    1.17792E-06   5.88961E-07   
7-Dec   30%   7,770,500,713,787    55,623,410,732,102,700,000    9.06093E-07   4.53047E-07   
18-Dec   30%   10,101,650,927,924    72,310,433,951,733,500,000    6.96995E-07   3.48497E-07   
29-Dec   30%   13,132,146,206,301    94,003,564,137,253,500,000    5.3615E-07   2.68075E-07   
                          Payout   745.016506   484.3826851   

I did some analysis , actually rough future prediction on profitability, difficulty, network hash rate..
Hope it helps everybody to decide and understand the risk.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232670.0;topicseen
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjEbQ5LBKsAEdDYtajZTMi1Ua0ZkUXR0X0NKSnVaSXc#gid=0

Thanks.

@WillMilk4coin,
          It's of course not a realistic assumption. But Already last one month difficulty increase was 16%...So on average the increase is going to be 10-25% over six months or year for sure. So in smaller range, your profitability may differ and profitability sharply depends on BTC/USD price...
          And about the miner's behavior.. You never know..They will never be altruistic enough to think about the whole bitcoin community.. Because if you show someone 10x~20x profit...They are likely to invest and keep their rigs on.. Another thing is Kncminer is going to host their miners in sweden for their customers...In that case, I dunnoo..And I am afraid that more hosting providing mining system will come..And if all these asic companies are greedy enough, difficulty can jump more than 25%... But if BTC price rises with it, then you win. The same way as BTC sharply rose from last year November..But there I also think, BTC is going to encounter lots of political blow the more it gains popularity..So there are real risk.
          However, all you said can be totally true.. The thing is we can just predict in some way, in real world it's much more uncertain.Let's see.

@all,
      Thank you for your comments.

Ho
Hope all those assumptions come true.. People are so crazy.. I just got surprised to see how people can trust mere strangers in kncminer group buy...!!

@ripple,
         

I have created a spread sheet with future prediction on difficulty, network hash rate and mining device profitability..Hope it helps everyone.
If any mistake found, please let me know...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232670.0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjEbQ5LBKsAEdDYtajZTMi1Ua0ZkUXR0X0NKSnVaSXc&usp=sharing

Hi,
   I actually did some massive data analysis of bitcoin difficulty upto December,2014 and network hashrate and also your payout from your kncminer saturn or jupiter..
   Please comment on my thread..
   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232670.0

   Thank you. Hope it will help..

So, I have made a huge spread sheet with data of predicted difficulty, network hash rate and what your miner such as kncminer saturn or jupiter gonna give you....

Before you buy any asic miner check this out... The data below can be troublesome to read.. So I am also sharing this google spreadsheet.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjEbQ5LBKsAEdDYtajZTMi1Ua0ZkUXR0X0NKSnVaSXc&usp=sharing

Hope it will be helpful for you who doesn't know lots of details, specially the calculations..

If this helps you and you want to donate plz:
1DduVXm1C77X38FhfQ9WfU3gdqpgqmzPp8




   Bitcoin Time vs. Difficulty         N = (h * t)/(2^32 * D)      
         1 Tera Hash/sec = 10^12 Hash/sec   Number of Blocks per day   Number of Blocks per day   
Date   Increase(%)   Difficulty Level(D)   Network Hash Rate= D * 2^32/600    KNCMiner Jupiter(350GH/s)    KNCMiner Saturn(175GH/s)   
5-Feb   10.33   3,651,012   26,134,961,895,506    1.928451252   0.964225626   
18-Feb   11.47   4,367,876   31,266,474,288,306    1.611950217   0.805975108   
1-Mar   19.63   4,847,647   34,700,808,879,254    1.452415711   0.726207855   
14-Mar   10.98   6,695,826   47,930,589,482,844    1.051520554   0.525760277   
24-Mar   38.13   7,673,000   54,925,473,437,013    0.91760702   0.45880351   
5-Apr   14.59   8,974,296   64,240,513,041,039    0.784551642   0.392275821   
17-Apr   12.28   10,076,293   72,128,914,833,190    0.698748901   0.349374451   
30-Apr   12.28   11,187,257   80,081,504,911,579    0.629358802   0.314679401   
12-May   11.03   11,187,257   80,081,504,911,579    0.629358802   0.314679401   
25-May   8.64   12,153,412   86,997,511,791,357    0.579326914   0.289663457   
5-Jun   28.41   15,605,633   111,709,472,280,631    0.451170335   0.225585167   
   16.16090909               
       Payout=(Sum of Bitcoins per day in a range)*11day*25BTC* 120USD      354237.1849   177118.5925   
                                                                 USD                                                               USD   
                  
                  
                  
   Future Prediction with average 15% difficulty increase per 11 day         Number of Blocks per day   Number of Blocks per day   
Date   Change   Difficulty(D)   Network Hash Rate= D * 2^32/600    KNCMiner Jupiter(350GH/s)    KNCMiner Saturn(175GH/s)   
5-Jun   28.41%   15,605,633   111,709,472,280,631    0.451170335   0.225585167   Year 2013
16-Jun   15.00%   17,946,478   128,465,893,480,639    0.392322029   0.196161015   
27-Jun   15.00%   20,638,450    147,735,777,502,735    0.341149591   0.170574795   
8-Jul   15.00%   23,734,217    169,896,144,128,145    0.296651818   0.148325909   
19-Jul   15.00%   27,294,350    195,380,565,747,367    0.257958102   0.128979051   
30-Jul   15.00%   31,388,502    224,687,650,609,472    0.224311393   0.112155697   
10-Aug   15.00%   36,096,778    258,390,798,200,893    0.195053386   0.097526693   
21-Aug   15.00%   41,511,294    297,149,417,931,027    0.16961164   0.08480582   
1-Sep   15.00%   47,737,988    341,721,830,620,681    0.147488382   0.073744191   
12-Sep   15.00%   54,898,687    392,980,105,213,783    0.128250767   0.064125384   
23-Sep   15.00%   63,133,489    451,927,120,995,850    0.111522406   0.055761203   
4-Oct   15.00%   72,603,513    519,716,189,145,228    0.096976005   0.048488003   
15-Oct   15.00%   83,494,040    597,673,617,517,012    0.084326961   0.042163481   
26-Oct   15.00%   96,018,146    687,324,660,144,564    0.073327792   0.036663896   
6-Nov   15.00%   110,420,868    790,423,359,166,249    0.063763298   0.031881649   
17-Nov   15.00%   126,983,998    908,986,863,041,186    0.055446346   0.027723173   
28-Nov   15.00%   146,031,598    1,045,334,892,497,360    0.048214214   0.024107107   
9-Dec   15.00%   167,936,337    1,202,135,126,371,970    0.041925403   0.020962702   
20-Dec   15.00%   193,126,788    1,382,455,395,327,760    0.036456872   0.018228436   
31-Dec   15.00%   222,095,806    1,589,823,704,626,930    0.031701628   0.015850814   Year 2013 ends
11-Jan   15.00%   255,410,177    1,828,297,260,320,970    0.027566633   0.013783317   Year 2014 starts
22-Jan   15.00%   293,721,703    2,102,541,849,369,110    0.023970985   0.011985493   
2-Feb   15.00%   337,779,959    2,417,923,126,774,480    0.020844335   0.010422168   
13-Feb   15.00%   388,446,953    2,780,611,595,790,650    0.018125509   0.009062754   
24-Feb   15.00%   446,713,995    3,197,703,335,159,250    0.015761312   0.007880656   
7-Mar   15.00%   513,721,095    3,677,358,835,433,140    0.013705489   0.006852744   
18-Mar   15.00%   590,779,259    4,228,962,660,748,110    0.011917816   0.005958908   
29-Mar   15.00%   679,396,148    4,863,307,059,860,320    0.010363318   0.005181659   
9-Apr   15.00%   781,305,570    5,592,803,118,839,370    0.009011581   0.004505791   
20-Apr   15.00%   898,501,405    6,431,723,586,665,280    0.007836158   0.003918079   
1-May   15.00%   1,033,276,616    7,396,482,124,665,070    0.00681405   0.003407025   
12-May   15.00%   1,188,268,109    8,505,954,443,364,830    0.005925261   0.00296263   
23-May   15.00%   1,366,508,325    9,781,847,609,869,560    0.005152401   0.0025762   
3-Jun   15.00%   1,571,484,574    11,249,124,751,350,000    0.004480349   0.002240174   
14-Jun   15.00%   1,807,207,260    12,936,493,464,052,500    0.003895955   0.001947978   
25-Jun   15.00%   2,078,288,349    14,876,967,483,660,400    0.003387787   0.001693894   
6-Jul   15.00%   2,390,031,601    17,108,512,606,209,400    0.002945902   0.001472951   
17-Jul   15.00%   2,748,536,341    19,674,789,497,140,800    0.002561654   0.001280827   
28-Jul   15.00%   3,160,816,793    22,626,007,921,711,900    0.002227525   0.001113763   
8-Aug   15.00%   3,634,939,312    26,019,909,109,968,700    0.001936978   0.000968489   
19-Aug   15.00%   4,180,180,208    29,922,895,476,464,000    0.001684329   0.000842164   
30-Aug   15.00%   4,807,207,240    34,411,329,797,933,700    0.001464634   0.000732317   
10-Sep   15.00%   5,528,288,325    39,573,029,267,623,700    0.001273595   0.000636797   
21-Sep   15.00%   6,357,531,574    45,508,983,657,767,300    0.001107474   0.000553737   
2-Oct   15.00%   7,311,161,310    52,335,331,206,432,400    0.000963021   0.00048151   
13-Oct   15.00%   8,407,835,507    60,185,630,887,397,200    0.000837409   0.000418705   
24-Oct   15.00%   9,669,010,833    69,213,475,520,506,800    0.000728182   0.000364091   
4-Nov   15.00%   11,119,362,458    79,595,496,848,582,800    0.000633202   0.000316601   
15-Nov   15.00%   12,787,266,827    91,534,821,375,870,200    0.00055061   0.000275305   
26-Nov   15.00%   14,705,356,851    105,265,044,582,251,000    0.000478791   0.000239396   
7-Dec   15.00%   16,911,160,378    121,054,801,269,588,000    0.00041634   0.00020817   
18-Dec   15.00%   19,447,834,435    139,213,021,460,027,000    0.000362035   0.000181018   
29-Dec   15.00%   22,365,009,600    160,094,974,679,031,000    0.000314813   0.000157407   Year 2014 ends
                  
Future Prediction with average 10% difficulty increase                              Payout   13464.36166   3526.78365   
            Number of Blocks per day   Number of Blocks per day   
Date   Change   Difficulty(D)   Network Hash Rate= D * 2^32/600    KNCMiner Jupiter(350GH/s)    KNCMiner Saturn(175GH/s)   
5-Jun   28.41%   15,605,633   111,709,472,280,631    0.451170335   0.225585167   Year 2013 starts
16-Jun   10%   17,166,196    122,880,419,508,694    0.41015485   0.205077425   
27-Jun   10%   18,882,816    135,168,461,459,563    0.372868045   0.186434023   
8-Jul   10%   20,771,098    148,685,307,605,519    0.33897095   0.169485475   
19-Jul   10%   22,848,207    163,553,838,366,071    0.308155409   0.154077705   
30-Jul   10%   25,133,028    179,909,222,202,678    0.280141281   0.140070641   
10-Aug   10%   27,646,331    197,900,144,422,946    0.254673892   0.127336946   
21-Aug   10%   30,410,964    217,690,158,865,241    0.23152172   0.11576086   
1-Sep   10%   33,452,060    239,459,174,751,765    0.210474291   0.105237145   
12-Sep   10%   36,797,266    263,405,092,226,941    0.191340264   0.095670132   
23-Sep   10%   40,476,993    289,745,601,449,635    0.173945695   0.086972847   
4-Oct   10%   44,524,692    318,720,161,594,599    0.15813245   0.079066225   
15-Oct   10%   48,977,161    350,592,177,754,059    0.143756773   0.071878386   
26-Oct   10%   53,874,878    385,651,395,529,465    0.130687975   0.065343988   
6-Nov   10%   59,262,365    424,216,535,082,411    0.11880725   0.059403625   
17-Nov   10%   65,188,602    466,638,188,590,653    0.108006591   0.054003296   
28-Nov   10%   71,707,462    513,302,007,449,718    0.09818781   0.049093905   
9-Dec   10%   78,878,208    564,632,208,194,690    0.089261645   0.044630823   
20-Dec   10%   86,766,029    621,095,429,014,159    0.08114695   0.040573475   
31-Dec   10%   95,442,632    683,204,971,915,575    0.073769955   0.036884977   Year 2014 starts
11-Jan   10%   104,986,895    751,525,469,107,132    0.067063595   0.033531798   
22-Jan   10%   115,485,585    826,678,016,017,845    0.060966905   0.030483452   
2-Feb   10%   127,034,143    909,345,817,619,630    0.055424459   0.02771223   
13-Feb   10%   139,737,558    1,000,280,399,381,590    0.050385872   0.025192936   
24-Feb   10%   153,711,313    1,100,308,439,319,750    0.045805338   0.022902669   
7-Mar   10%   169,082,445    1,210,339,283,251,730    0.041641216   0.020820608   
18-Mar   10%   185,990,689    1,331,373,211,576,900    0.037855651   0.018927826   
29-Mar   10%   204,589,758    1,464,510,532,734,590    0.034414228   0.017207114   
9-Apr   10%   225,048,734    1,610,961,586,008,050    0.031285662   0.015642831   
20-Apr   10%   247,553,607    1,772,057,744,608,850    0.028441511   0.014220756   
1-May   10%   272,308,968    1,949,263,519,069,740    0.025855919   0.01292796   
12-May   10%   299,539,865    2,144,189,870,976,710    0.023505381   0.011752691   
23-May   10%   329,493,851    2,358,608,858,074,380    0.021368528   0.010684264   
3-Jun   10%   362,443,236    2,594,469,743,881,820    0.019425935   0.009712967   
14-Jun   10%   398,687,560    2,853,916,718,270,010    0.017659941   0.00882997   
25-Jun   10%   438,556,316    3,139,308,390,097,010    0.016054492   0.008027246   
6-Jul   10%   482,411,947    3,453,239,229,106,710    0.014594992   0.007297496   
17-Jul   10%   530,653,142    3,798,563,152,017,380    0.013268175   0.006634087   
28-Jul   10%   583,718,456    4,178,419,467,219,110    0.012061977   0.006030989   
8-Aug   10%   642,090,302    4,596,261,413,941,030    0.010965434   0.005482717   
19-Aug   10%   706,299,332    5,055,887,555,335,130    0.009968576   0.004984288   
30-Aug   10%   776,929,265    5,561,476,310,868,640    0.009062342   0.004531171   
10-Sep   10%   854,622,192    6,117,623,941,955,500    0.008238493   0.004119246   
21-Sep   10%   940,084,411    6,729,386,336,151,060    0.007489539   0.003744769   
2-Oct   10%   1,034,092,852    7,402,324,969,766,160    0.006808672   0.003404336   
13-Oct   10%   1,137,502,138    8,142,557,466,742,780    0.006189701   0.003094851   
24-Oct   10%   1,251,252,351    8,956,813,213,417,060    0.005627001   0.002813501   
4-Nov   10%   1,376,377,586    9,852,494,534,758,760    0.005115456   0.002557728   
15-Nov   10%   1,514,015,345    10,837,743,988,234,600    0.004650414   0.002325207   
26-Nov   10%   1,665,416,880    11,921,518,387,058,100    0.004227649   0.002113825   
7-Dec   10%   1,831,958,568    13,113,670,225,763,900    0.003843318   0.001921659   
18-Dec   10%   2,015,154,424    14,425,037,248,340,300    0.003493925   0.001746963   
29-Dec   10%   2,216,669,867    15,867,540,973,174,300    0.003176296   0.001588148   Year 2014 ends
                          Payout   25350.36299   12675.1815   
                  
                  
                  
Prediction with 20% Difficulty increase per day                   
                  
            Number of Blocks per day   Number of Blocks per day   
Date   Change   Difficulty(D)   Network Hash Rate= D * 2^32/600    KNCMiner Jupiter(350GH/s)    KNCMiner Saturn(175GH/s)   
5-Jun   28.41%   15,605,633   111,709,472,280,631    0.451170335   0.225585167   
16-Jun   20%   18,726,760    134,051,366,736,757    0.375975279   0.187987639   
27-Jun   20%   22,472,112    160,861,640,084,108    0.313312732   0.156656366   
8-Jul   20%   26,966,534    193,033,968,100,930    0.261093944   0.130546972   
19-Jul   20%   32,359,841    231,640,761,721,116    0.217578286   0.108789143   
30-Jul   20%   38,831,809    277,968,914,065,339    0.181315239   0.090657619   
10-Aug   20%   46,598,170    333,562,696,878,407    0.151096032   0.075548016   
21-Aug   20%   55,917,805    400,275,236,254,088    0.12591336   0.06295668   
1-Sep   20%   67,101,365    480,330,283,504,906    0.1049278   0.0524639   
12-Sep   20%   80,521,639    576,396,340,205,887    0.087439833   0.043719917   
23-Sep   20%   96,625,966    691,675,608,247,064    0.072866528   0.036433264   
4-Oct   20%   115,951,159    830,010,729,896,477    0.060722107   0.030361053   
15-Oct   20%   139,141,391    996,012,875,875,772    0.050601755   0.025300878   
26-Oct   20%   166,969,670    1,195,215,451,050,930    0.04216813   0.021084065   
6-Nov   20%   200,363,604    1,434,258,541,261,110    0.035140108   0.017570054   
17-Nov   20%   240,436,324    1,721,110,249,513,330    0.029283423   0.014641712   
28-Nov   20%   288,523,589    2,065,332,299,416,000    0.024402853   0.012201426   
9-Dec   20%   346,228,307    2,478,398,759,299,200    0.020335711   0.010167855   
20-Dec   20%   415,473,968    2,974,078,511,159,040    0.016946426   0.008473213   
31-Dec   20%   498,568,762    3,568,894,213,390,850    0.014122021   0.007061011   
11-Jan   20%   598,282,515    4,282,673,056,069,020    0.011768351   0.005884176   
22-Jan   20%   717,939,017    5,139,207,667,282,820    0.009806959   0.00490348   
2-Feb   20%   861,526,821    6,167,049,200,739,390    0.008172466   0.004086233   
13-Feb   20%   1,033,832,185    7,400,459,040,887,270    0.006810388   0.003405194   
24-Feb   20%   1,240,598,622    8,880,550,849,064,720    0.005675324   0.002837662   
7-Mar   20%   1,488,718,347    10,656,661,018,877,700    0.004729436   0.002364718   
18-Mar   20%   1,786,462,016    12,787,993,222,653,200    0.003941197   0.001970598   
29-Mar   20%   2,143,754,419    15,345,591,867,183,800    0.003284331   0.001642165   
9-Apr   20%   2,572,505,303    18,414,710,240,620,600    0.002736942   0.001368471   
20-Apr   20%   3,087,006,363    22,097,652,288,744,700    0.002280785   0.001140393   
1-May   20%   3,704,407,636    26,517,182,746,493,700    0.001900654   0.000950327   
12-May   20%   4,445,289,163    31,820,619,295,792,400    0.001583879   0.000791939   
23-May   20%   5,334,346,996    38,184,743,154,950,900    0.001319899   0.000659949   
3-Jun   20%   6,401,216,395    45,821,691,785,941,100    0.001099916   0.000549958   
14-Jun   20%   7,681,459,674    54,986,030,143,129,300    0.000916596   0.000458298   
25-Jun   20%   9,217,751,609    65,983,236,171,755,100    0.00076383   0.000381915   
6-Jul   20%   11,061,301,931    79,179,883,406,106,200    0.000636525   0.000318263   
17-Jul   20%   13,273,562,317    95,015,860,087,327,400    0.000530438   0.000265219   
28-Jul   20%   15,928,274,780    114,019,032,104,793,000    0.000442031   0.000221016   
8-Aug   20%   19,113,929,736    136,822,838,525,751,000    0.00036836   0.00018418   
19-Aug   20%   22,936,715,684    164,187,406,230,902,000    0.000306966   0.000153483   
30-Aug   20%   27,524,058,820    197,024,887,477,082,000    0.000255805   0.000127903   
10-Sep   20%   33,028,870,584    236,429,864,972,498,000    0.000213171   0.000106586   
21-Sep   20%   39,634,644,701    283,715,837,966,998,000    0.000177643   8.88213E-05   
2-Oct   20%   47,561,573,641    340,459,005,560,398,000    0.000148035   7.40177E-05   
13-Oct   20%   57,073,888,370    408,550,806,672,477,000    0.000123363   6.16814E-05   
24-Oct   20%   68,488,666,044    490,260,968,006,973,000    0.000102802   5.14012E-05   
4-Nov   20%   82,186,399,252    588,313,161,608,367,000    8.56687E-05   4.28343E-05   
15-Nov   20%   98,623,679,103    705,975,793,930,041,000    7.13905E-05   3.56953E-05   
26-Nov   20%   118,348,414,923    847,170,952,716,049,000    5.94921E-05   2.97461E-05   
7-Dec   20%   142,018,097,908    1,016,605,143,259,260,000    4.95768E-05   2.47884E-05   
18-Dec   20%   170,421,717,490    1,219,926,171,911,110,000    4.1314E-05   2.0657E-05   
29-Dec   20%   204,506,060,988    1,463,911,406,293,330,000    3.44283E-05   1.72142E-05   
                          Payout   3991.297484   2398.295812   
                  
                  
                  
                  
                  
Prediction with 25% Difficulty increase per day                   
                  
            Number of Blocks per day   Number of Blocks per day   
Date   Change   Difficulty(D)   Network Hash Rate= D * 2^32/600    KNCMiner Jupiter(350GH/s)    KNCMiner Saturn(175GH/s)   
5-Jun   28.41%   15,605,633   111,709,472,280,631    0.451170335   0.225585167   
16-Jun   25%   19,507,041    139,636,840,350,788    0.360936268   0.180468134   
27-Jun   25%   24,383,802    174,546,050,438,485    0.288749014   0.144374507   
8-Jul   25%   30,479,752    218,182,563,048,107    0.230999211   0.115499606   
19-Jul   25%   38,099,690    272,728,203,810,133    0.184799369   0.092399685   
30-Jul   25%   47,624,612    340,910,254,762,667    0.147839495   0.073919748   
10-Aug   25%   59,530,766    426,137,818,453,333    0.118271596   0.059135798   
21-Aug   25%   74,413,457    532,672,273,066,667    0.094617277   0.047308638   
1-Sep   25%   93,016,821    665,840,341,333,333    0.075693822   0.037846911   
12-Sep   25%   116,271,026    832,300,426,666,667    0.060555057   0.030277529   
23-Sep   25%   145,338,783    1,040,375,533,333,330    0.048444046   0.024222023   
4-Oct   25%   181,673,479    1,300,469,416,666,670    0.038755237   0.019377618   
15-Oct   25%   227,091,849    1,625,586,770,833,330    0.031004189   0.015502095   
26-Oct   25%   283,864,811    2,031,983,463,541,670    0.024803351   0.012401676   
6-Nov   25%   354,831,013    2,539,979,329,427,080    0.019842681   0.009921341   
17-Nov   25%   443,538,767    3,174,974,161,783,850    0.015874145   0.007937072   
28-Nov   25%   554,423,458    3,968,717,702,229,820    0.012699316   0.006349658   
9-Dec   25%   693,029,323    4,960,897,127,787,270    0.010159453   0.005079726   
20-Dec   25%   866,286,654    6,201,121,409,734,090    0.008127562   0.004063781   
31-Dec   25%   1,082,858,317    7,751,401,762,167,610    0.00650205   0.003251025   
11-Jan   25%   1,353,572,896    9,689,252,202,709,520    0.00520164   0.00260082   
22-Jan   25%   1,691,966,120    12,111,565,253,386,900    0.004161312   0.002080656   
2-Feb   25%   2,114,957,650    15,139,456,566,733,600    0.003329049   0.001664525   
13-Feb   25%   2,643,697,063    18,924,320,708,417,000    0.00266324   0.00133162   
24-Feb   25%   3,304,621,328    23,655,400,885,521,300    0.002130592   0.001065296   
7-Mar   25%   4,130,776,661    29,569,251,106,901,600    0.001704473   0.000852237   
18-Mar   25%   5,163,470,826    36,961,563,883,627,000    0.001363579   0.000681789   
29-Mar   25%   6,454,338,532    46,201,954,854,533,800    0.001090863   0.000545431   
9-Apr   25%   8,067,923,165    57,752,443,568,167,200    0.00087269   0.000436345   
20-Apr   25%   10,084,903,956    72,190,554,460,209,000    0.000698152   0.000349076   
1-May   25%   12,606,129,946    90,238,193,075,261,200    0.000558522   0.000279261   
12-May   25%   15,757,662,432    112,797,741,344,077,000    0.000446817   0.000223409   
23-May   25%   19,697,078,040    140,997,176,680,096,000    0.000357454   0.000178727   
3-Jun   25%   24,621,347,550    176,246,470,850,120,000    0.000285963   0.000142982   
14-Jun   25%   30,776,684,437    220,308,088,562,650,000    0.000228771   0.000114385   
25-Jun   25%   38,470,855,547    275,385,110,703,312,000    0.000183016   9.15082E-05   
6-Jul   25%   48,088,569,433    344,231,388,379,140,000    0.000146413   7.32066E-05   
17-Jul   25%   60,110,711,792    430,289,235,473,925,000    0.000117131   5.85653E-05   
28-Jul   25%   75,138,389,740    537,861,544,342,406,000    9.37044E-05   4.68522E-05   
8-Aug   25%   93,922,987,174    672,326,930,428,008,000    7.49635E-05   3.74818E-05   
19-Aug   25%   117,403,733,968    840,408,663,035,010,000    5.99708E-05   2.99854E-05   
30-Aug   25%   146,754,667,460    1,050,510,828,793,760,000    4.79767E-05   2.39883E-05   
10-Sep   25%   183,443,334,325    1,313,138,535,992,200,000    3.83813E-05   1.91907E-05   
21-Sep   25%   229,304,167,906    1,641,423,169,990,250,000    3.07051E-05   1.53525E-05   
2-Oct   25%   286,630,209,883    2,051,778,962,487,820,000    2.4564E-05   1.2282E-05   
13-Oct   25%   358,287,762,354    2,564,723,703,109,770,000    1.96512E-05   9.82562E-06   
24-Oct   25%   447,859,702,942    3,205,904,628,887,210,000    1.5721E-05   7.8605E-06   
4-Nov   25%   559,824,628,678    4,007,380,786,109,020,000    1.25768E-05   6.2884E-06   
15-Nov   25%   699,780,785,847    5,009,225,982,636,270,000    1.00614E-05   5.03072E-06   
26-Nov   25%   874,725,982,309    6,261,532,478,295,340,000    8.04915E-06   4.02457E-06   
7-Dec   25%   1,093,407,477,886    7,826,915,597,869,170,000    6.43932E-06   3.21966E-06   
18-Dec   25%   1,366,759,347,357    9,783,644,497,336,470,000    5.15145E-06   2.57573E-06   
29-Dec   25%   1,708,449,184,197    12,229,555,621,670,600,000    4.12116E-06   2.06058E-06   
                          Payout   1671.24337   1045.160398   
                  
                  
                  
                  
                  
Prediction with 30% Difficulty increase per day                   
                  
            Number of Blocks per day   Number of Blocks per day   
Date   Change   Difficulty(D)   Network Hash Rate= D * 2^32/600    KNCMiner Jupiter(350GH/s)    KNCMiner Saturn(175GH/s)   
5-Jun   28.41%   15,605,633   111,709,472,280,631    0.451170335   0.225585167   
16-Jun   30%   20,287,323    145,222,313,964,820    0.347054104   0.173527052   
27-Jun   30%   26,373,520    188,789,008,154,266    0.266964695   0.133482348   
8-Jul   30%   34,285,576    245,425,710,600,545    0.205357458   0.102678729   
19-Jul   30%   44,571,248    319,053,423,780,709    0.157967275   0.078983638   
30-Jul   30%   57,942,623    414,769,450,914,922    0.121513289   0.060756644   
10-Aug   30%   75,325,410    539,200,286,189,398    0.09347176   0.04673588   
21-Aug   30%   97,923,033    700,960,372,046,218    0.071901354   0.035950677   
1-Sep   30%   127,299,943    911,248,483,660,083    0.055308734   0.027654367   
12-Sep   30%   165,489,925    1,184,623,028,758,110    0.04254518   0.02127259   
23-Sep   30%   215,136,903    1,540,009,937,385,540    0.032727062   0.016363531   
4-Oct   30%   279,677,974    2,002,012,918,601,200    0.025174663   0.012587331   
15-Oct   30%   363,581,366    2,602,616,794,181,560    0.019365125   0.009682563   
26-Oct   30%   472,655,776    3,383,401,832,436,030    0.01489625   0.007448125   
6-Nov   30%   614,452,509    4,398,422,382,166,840    0.011458654   0.005729327   
17-Nov   30%   798,788,261    5,717,949,096,816,890    0.008814349   0.004407175   
28-Nov   30%   1,038,424,740    7,433,333,825,861,960    0.006780269   0.003390134   
9-Dec   30%   1,349,952,161    9,663,333,973,620,550    0.005215591   0.002607796   
20-Dec   30%   1,754,937,810    12,562,334,165,706,700    0.004011993   0.002005997   
31-Dec   30%   2,281,419,153    16,331,034,415,418,700    0.003086149   0.001543074   
11-Jan   30%   2,965,844,898    21,230,344,740,044,300    0.002373961   0.00118698   
22-Jan   30%   3,855,598,368    27,599,448,162,057,600    0.001826123   0.000913062   
2-Feb   30%   5,012,277,878    35,879,282,610,674,900    0.00140471   0.000702355   
13-Feb   30%   6,515,961,242    46,643,067,393,877,400    0.001080546   0.000540273   
24-Feb   30%   8,470,749,615    60,635,987,612,040,600    0.00083119   0.000415595   
7-Mar   30%   11,011,974,499    78,826,783,895,652,800    0.000639377   0.000319688   
18-Mar   30%   14,315,566,849    102,474,819,064,349,000    0.000491828   0.000245914   
29-Mar   30%   18,610,236,903    133,217,264,783,653,000    0.000378329   0.000189165   
9-Apr   30%   24,193,307,974    173,182,444,218,749,000    0.000291023   0.000145511   
20-Apr   30%   31,451,300,366    225,137,177,484,374,000    0.000223864   0.000111932   
1-May   30%   40,886,690,476    292,678,330,729,686,000    0.000172203   8.61014E-05   
12-May   30%   53,152,697,619    380,481,829,948,592,000    0.000132464   6.62318E-05   
23-May   30%   69,098,506,905    494,626,378,933,170,000    0.000101895   5.09475E-05   
3-Jun   30%   89,828,058,977    643,014,292,613,121,000    7.83808E-05   3.91904E-05   
14-Jun   30%   116,776,476,670    835,918,580,397,057,000    6.0293E-05   3.01465E-05   
25-Jun   30%   151,809,419,671    1,086,694,154,516,170,000    4.63792E-05   2.31896E-05   
6-Jul   30%   197,352,245,572    1,412,702,400,871,030,000    3.56763E-05   1.78382E-05   
17-Jul   30%   256,557,919,243    1,836,513,121,132,330,000    2.74433E-05   1.37217E-05   
28-Jul   30%   333,525,295,016    2,387,467,057,472,030,000    2.11102E-05   1.05551E-05   
8-Aug   30%   433,582,883,521    3,103,707,174,713,640,000    1.62386E-05   8.11932E-06   
19-Aug   30%   563,657,748,577    4,034,819,327,127,740,000    1.24913E-05   6.24563E-06   
30-Aug   30%   732,755,073,151    5,245,265,125,266,060,000    9.60867E-06   4.80433E-06   
10-Sep   30%   952,581,595,096    6,818,844,662,845,880,000    7.39128E-06   3.69564E-06   
21-Sep   30%   1,238,356,073,624    8,864,498,061,699,640,000    5.6856E-06   2.8428E-06   
2-Oct   30%   1,609,862,895,712    11,523,847,480,209,500,000    4.37354E-06   2.18677E-06   
13-Oct   30%   2,092,821,764,425    14,981,001,724,272,400,000    3.36426E-06   1.68213E-06   
24-Oct   30%   2,720,668,293,753    19,475,302,241,554,100,000    2.58789E-06   1.29395E-06   
4-Nov   30%   3,536,868,781,879    25,317,892,914,020,300,000    1.99069E-06   9.95343E-07   
15-Nov   30%   4,597,929,416,442    32,913,260,788,226,400,000    1.5313E-06   7.65649E-07   
26-Nov   30%   5,977,308,241,375    42,787,239,024,694,400,000    1.17792E-06   5.88961E-07   
7-Dec   30%   7,770,500,713,787    55,623,410,732,102,700,000    9.06093E-07   4.53047E-07   
18-Dec   30%   10,101,650,927,924    72,310,433,951,733,500,000    6.96995E-07   3.48497E-07   
29-Dec   30%   13,132,146,206,301    94,003,564,137,253,500,000    5.3615E-07   2.68075E-07   
                          Payout   745.016506   484.3826851   

Stealing should be a moral concern, not about illegality.

Hey bro,
     I am also following that thread. And you can also see how crazy people are in some other threads.. People are even trusting strangers and buying shares in groups.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=226319.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228707.0
     After reading for a while, I am pretty convinced that investment in kncminer can be legit.
     Let's talk about it more. And come to a conclusion for us. But for sure, I felt that If we wanna buy, we have to buy soon.
     Because I also wanna invest and I am also scared to invest like you do.
     Best wishes.

Wait. There won't be any f**n paypal. They will change their name "bitpaypal"...

@keatonatron,
       That's why I think they need "EDUCATION" about bitcoin. Countries where people adopted it early, they know where to trust, where not to,how to deal with and how to debunk. So,bitcoin can be used knowing nothing about it. But I think in Japan, we can not encourage Japanese people by only saying that bitcoin is a new techy currency that offers low fees. Rather we will have to make them understand about how the whole currency based crazy,greedy, central monetary system emerged not even before 100 years, how bitcoin and gold virtually are the same and how beautiful it would be to have a decentralized, global currency and how great it is to depend on mathematical logic and algorithms, not on biased human decisions.
        And I think, Japanese population are risk averse, but on the other hand they take things seriously if something has value, they love to trust and when they do so, they don't abandon. So the question why they did not adopt bitcoin is just not only that they did not need it, but also they haven't been properly informed or educated about the philosophy of bitcoin.

@keatonatron,
       You are right the main reason is the current lack of need because Japanese people put trust on their systems. And Japanese people also don't bother to give a huge percentage to anybody who give them good service. But this culture can be and should be changed for many reasons.
       A very big reason can be make transactions with very less fee.
       Another reason is to stay in the global race. The way Bitcoin is rising, I think Japan will lag behind in the long run and I think that's not good for Japan.
       But still won't it be a great thing if people in Japan start using bitcoin? Some one need to educate them.

My name is not in the list.... Do something.
Already got 9 confirmations:
 http://blockchain.info/tx/29f845c68a08683c436e135fca0c871ab73a85fe8f1bc7376dd977b842c87d5a