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21  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] leonArdo - Bitcoin Trading Bot for Poloniex, Bittrex, Bitstamp, Bitfinex.. on: December 22, 2017, 12:45:58 AM
Same here. The bot is doing the reverse actions. It's buying high and selling low... if it were flipped I would have made easy profit. Instead, I lost about $30. I tweaked my BB settings now to see if it'll fix anything.

Here's my graph. Yeah, it looks atrocious.


random thought but, as I can't see when the first buy order was placed from your screenshot: you din't start the bot running when a buy order had already been placed did you? I'm thinking maybe it started with a sell when it should have bought because there was already a balance? I could be totally wrong but it's worth investigating...
22  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] leonArdo - Bitcoin Trading Bot for Poloniex, Bittrex, Bitstamp, Bitfinex.. on: December 21, 2017, 09:28:33 PM
I had the same problem (I using archlinux on my rpi3), you need to install qt5-svg and qt5-websockets ...
By the way, Awesome jobs guyz!!! I love to be able to run leonardo in my rpi... Thanks !!!!

Apparently I'm running raspbian so shouldn't it work?

"Distributor ID:   Raspbian
Description:   Raspbian GNU/Linux 8.0 (jessie)
Release:   8.0
Codename:   jessie"

I tried installing as you said but nothing found.... did you install with apt-get?

So first of all, we've been using Raspbian 9, not 8. So if upgrading is an option for you, that might be worth a shot. Apparently it is possible to upgrade without reinstalling but I haven't tried it personally. If you don't have anything else on that RPi, it might be easier to just use a new image.

Either way, could you paste the exact error message you're seeing? Is it still the "libQt5Svg.so.5: cannot open shared object file" even after doing a sudo apt-get install libqt5svg5? Or is it more something along those lines:

Code:
./leonArdo.arm: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libQt5WebSockets.so.5: version `Qt_5' not found (required by ./leonArdo.arm)
./leonArdo.arm: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libQt5Network.so.5: version `Qt_5' not found (required by ./leonArdo.arm)
./leonArdo.arm: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libQt5Core.so.5: version `Qt_5' not found (required by ./leonArdo.arm)
./leonArdo.arm: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libQt5Gui.so.5: version `Qt_5' not found (required by ./leonArdo.arm)
./leonArdo.arm: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.22' not found (required by ./leonArdo.arm)
./leonArdo.arm: /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libQt5Widgets.so.5: version `Qt_5' not found (required by ./leonArdo.arm)

If it's the latter, I'm afraid this can't be fixed by just installing some packages.
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Ok thanks, I installed my Rpi over a year ago so that is likely the issue as you say. I have other stuff on there but I haven't used it for that for a while so I can start again with that. I will look into this. thanks.
23  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] leonArdo - Bitcoin Trading Bot for Poloniex, Bittrex, Bitstamp, Bitfinex.. on: December 21, 2017, 06:12:11 PM
Hi Guys, wow amazing effort on the new version.

I have tried to get the rPi version running but no luck so far.

Can you clarify - do I need to install ONLY the leonArdo.arm download file from the site? this is what I have done:


  • created new folder on rpi desktop "leonArdo-Pi"
  • in terminal: cd /home/pi/Desktop/leonArdo-Pi/
  • wget http://marginsoftware.de/downloads/leonArdo.arm
  • chmod +x leonArdo.arm
  • ./leonArdo.arm
  • result: error while loading shared libraries: libQt5Svg.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 


Hi,
I had the same problem (I using archlinux on my rpi3), you need to install qt5-svg and qt5-websockets ...
By the way, Awesome jobs guyz!!! I love to be able to run leonardo in my rpi... Thanks !!!!

Apparently I'm running raspbian so shouldn't it work?

"Distributor ID:   Raspbian
Description:   Raspbian GNU/Linux 8.0 (jessie)
Release:   8.0
Codename:   jessie"

I tried installing as you said but nothing found.... did you install with apt-get?
24  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] leonArdo - Bitcoin Trading Bot for Poloniex, Bittrex, Bitstamp, Bitfinex.. on: December 21, 2017, 06:04:24 PM
Hi Guys, wow amazing effort on the new version.

I have tried to get the rPi version running but no luck so far.

Can you clarify - do I need to install ONLY the leonArdo.arm download file from the site? this is what I have done:


  • created new folder on rpi desktop "leonArdo-Pi"
  • in terminal: cd /home/pi/Desktop/leonArdo-Pi/
  • wget http://marginsoftware.de/downloads/leonArdo.arm
  • chmod +x leonArdo.arm
  • ./leonArdo.arm
  • result: error while loading shared libraries: libQt5Svg.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 


Hi,
I had the same problem (I using archlinux on my rpi3), you need to install qt5-svg and qt5-websockets ...
By the way, Awesome jobs guyz!!! I love to be able to run leonardo in my rpi... Thanks !!!!

So far we only ran leonArdo on Raspbian. On Ubuntu for ARM just executing the binary doesn't work even with libqt5svg5 installed, but we have a fix and we're currently working on rolling it out. So all ARM Ubuntu users, please be a little patient We're getting there!




I'm running raspbian too, I'll try s1ko's suggestion....
25  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] leonArdo - Bitcoin Trading Bot for Poloniex, Bittrex, Bitstamp, Bitfinex.. on: December 21, 2017, 01:47:42 PM
Hi Guys, wow amazing effort on the new version.

I have tried to get the rPi version running but no luck so far.

Can you clarify - do I need to install ONLY the leonArdo.arm download file from the site? this is what I have done:


  • created new folder on rpi desktop "leonArdo-Pi"
  • in terminal: cd /home/pi/Desktop/leonArdo-Pi/
  • wget http://marginsoftware.de/downloads/leonArdo.arm
  • chmod +x leonArdo.arm
  • ./leonArdo.arm
  • result: error while loading shared libraries: libQt5Svg.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 
26  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] leonArdo - Bitcoin Trading Bot for Poloniex, Bittrex, Bitstamp, Bitfinex.. on: December 20, 2017, 04:08:39 PM
hi Team,

quick question...
i got margin maker setup to analyze every hour (short time frame)
but i keep noticing that if the coin value averages upward, the BUY ORDER isn't adopted and gets tuck at previous buy order.

Here's an example , happened just now:




Buy order's been stuck at that level for hours... shouldn't margin maker move it up based on analysis per hour?
Leonardo could have made some nice trades already during these hours .. what am i doing wrong?

yes it should, and it used to work as expected but lately (last few days) it's been doing this. I have noticed this as have others. It seems to be an issue with Bittrex API as far as I can tell.

If you stop the bot and start it again, it usually fixes the issue for a while.
27  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] leonArdo - Bitcoin Trading Bot for Poloniex, Bittrex, Bitstamp, Bitfinex.. on: December 19, 2017, 04:57:44 PM
Hey guys,

I've finally been using Leonardo after having him sitting for about a month while I reinstalled the computer!

I've been having some pretty good results so far! I stumbled across STEEM as a great coin to use, and then I noticed the recommendations in the reviews Smiley

There is a behaviour I've been noticing that I want to understand - a few times now on different bots, they seem to get stuck on a buy price - even to the point where they acknowledge the order needs to be changed, cancel the order, and then replace it with the same order. Stopping and starting the bot again gets it to reset, and then it works fine, until it happens again.

I have attached an image of what I am talking about - any feedback or explanation will be much appreciated!

Jeremy



I've been getting that a lot the last few days as well!
28  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] leonArdo - Bitcoin Trading Bot for Poloniex, Bittrex, Bitstamp, Bitfinex.. on: December 10, 2017, 05:59:34 PM
My 24hr average went down to 3.5% this morning due to a couple of pairs that were making very low gains and then a net loss. I've cut those two and replaced them with two that seem much better an......

Do you make youtube video's..I would love to hear your explain the basics.

haha, to be honest I'm only getting my head around the basics myself, but I'm getting there. I did actually think of making some youtube videos - I had such a hassle setting up a VPS to run LeonArdo that I've started making a video to show how to do that. Watch this space and I'll try to get something up soon....
29  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] leonArdo - Bitcoin Trading Bot for Poloniex, Bittrex, Bitstamp, Bitfinex.. on: December 10, 2017, 02:07:10 PM
My 24hr average went down to 3.5% this morning due to a couple of pairs that were making very low gains and then a net loss. I've cut those two and replaced them with two that seem much better and 24hr average is steadily climbing back up, now at 4.92%

What is becoming clear to me is that this software can work very well, but it requires a fair amount of time and effort to learn how all the different parameters interact (not surprising - as with anything really) but also quite a bit of analysis of the trading data in order to cull pairs that are not doing well and optimise the ones that are doing well. To this end I have been logging all trade data in a spreadsheet (periodically) over the last 48 hours so I can make such analyses.

It's been quite a lot of effort, which is fine for now laying the groundwork, but it seems it would be fairly straightforward (in theory - I know you guys are very busy) to add some statistics for each trading pair to get an idea of how they are performing over time - eg net gain/loss per each pair (either all-time or the last N-trades/72 hours or something) which pairs have a high percentage of loss trades etc. This is essentially what I've done in my spreadsheet but it would be so useful if it was built in.

Also a way to see at a glance when inputting amounts to trade with - how much that is worth in BTC (or as a percentage of available BTC). A the moment I have to go back to Bittrex, see how much BTC is available to trade with, divide by the number of pairs Im working with and then figure out how much that BTC is worth in each particular pair. It's quite convoluted and makes it hard to hold an overview of what's really going on at a glance. Again something that would be fairly straightforward to put in the app somewhere. I know you have the wallet overview window but it's not very intuitive and there are no tooltips to clarify what each column actually is.

I'm still really happy with the software on the whole, just wanted to point out some areas for improvement Wink
30  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] leonArdo - Bitcoin Trading Bot for Poloniex, Bittrex, Bitstamp, Bitfinex.. on: December 09, 2017, 11:03:48 PM
Would love those numbers..

Still shows me that i needs more time on youtube learning to trade

To be honest I've only been trading for about a month and not full time. I spent a couple of weeks trading manually in my spare time on bittrex before I got leonardo, then I spent a few days trying to figure out how to do it all with leonardo - with a mixture of small successes followed by bigger losses - overall it was losing money. I then kind of gave up, but part of the problem was my terrible internet connection which kept stalling things.

I've since set LeonArdo up on a VPS and things are much better, so I've put some more time in to try and figure a working strategy out and it seems to be paying off. So my point is 6 weeks ago I didn't have a clue about any of this, so it's totally possible to get there. It's not a set-and-forget situation though, it requires lots of time, effort and research to figure out the best combination of pairs/strategies etc.

my latest figures are 9.30% after 34 hours continuous trading on 6 pairs/bots, (or 6.7% per 24hr). I've analysed the data from the trades over that time and identified the weak pairs and am tweaking the settings in the hope to make the weak ones do better. If that doesn't work I will replace them with others and see how that goes.

Best of luck, and if you have any questions about what I've learned in the last few weeks that you think might help, feel free to ask.
31  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] leonArdo - Bitcoin Trading Bot for Poloniex, Bittrex, Bitstamp, Bitfinex.. on: December 09, 2017, 10:55:40 PM
Ok if someone would humour me with any responses to another question:

I've been having great success with this pair XVG/BTC but sometimes it kind of gets stuck when the price trend goes up or down as shown in this screen shot. I've still not totally got to grips with how the minimum gain setting affects things when it has a negative value. Am I correct in thinking a lower negative value would convince the bot to sell at a loss and then free it up to buy at the lower price? (eg changing it from the -2.0 setting as shown to say around -0.10)...

If I've got that wrong, could someone please explain what setting I would need to change to get it to do that?

The stop loss is set very low and doesn't seem to be interfering any more.

32  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] leonArdo - Bitcoin Trading Bot for Poloniex, Bittrex, Bitstamp, Bitfinex.. on: December 09, 2017, 06:01:51 PM
+6.5% gains in the last 21hrs, no errors or unexpected losses while I slept ...

I spoke a little too soon. While I didn't get any errors or unexpected large losses while I slept, I just checked over all the running strategies more carefully, and while all 6 were still running, all but one of them were stuck on buy orders that were way out of range (far below the current buy price) of the current time window range. I had to stop all these orders and start them again and now it's all back to normal.  I have no idea what caused this.

I still stand at 6.5% gains in the last 21 hours though - it probably would be closer to 7.5% if the above hadn't happened.

Sounds like the price just moved away from the expected window. If you reduce your statistical window (and maybe even max order age) these order will be replaced closer to the current price.
But that might not always be the desired behavior.

All the best,

 Rene

Thanks Rene, yeah I've basically come to the same conclusion. It's working pretty well now, I seem to be getting around 6% gains per 24hr peroid. if I can increase that t around 8 or 10 that would be amazing, but even at 6 it's pretty damned good.
33  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] leonArdo - Bitcoin Trading Bot for Poloniex, Bittrex, Bitstamp, Bitfinex.. on: December 09, 2017, 10:39:23 AM
+6.5% gains in the last 21hrs, no errors or unexpected losses while I slept ...

I spoke a little too soon. While I didn't get any errors or unexpected large losses while I slept, I just checked over all the running strategies more carefully, and while all 6 were still running, all but one of them were stuck on buy orders that were way out of range (far below the current buy price) of the current time window range. I had to stop all these orders and start them again and now it's all back to normal.  I have no idea what caused this.

I still stand at 6.5% gains in the last 21 hours though - it probably would be closer to 7.5% if the above hadn't happened.
34  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] leonArdo - Bitcoin Trading Bot for Poloniex, Bittrex, Bitstamp, Bitfinex.. on: December 09, 2017, 10:21:21 AM
@frodev - you also might try changing the Stop Loss setting from Relative to Absolute. I found that in the Relative mode the Stop Loss will trend with the direction of the margin range. This could result in a percentage loss greater than what was set from the original buy price.

I'm pretty sure the stop loss is only "dynamic" while you don't have holdings in that pair. as soon as you buy some, the stop loss locks in until the next sell.

If I were to set stoploss as absolute then large swings in price could potentially mess up the gains of that strategy. Like I said in my last post, I seem to have the settings pretty much nailed. If I can tweak them enough that I'm averaging 10% gains over 24 hours I'll be a happy hobbit. (6.6% gains so far over the last 21 hours but need some more real data to get a better idea of average)...
35  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] leonArdo - Bitcoin Trading Bot for Poloniex, Bittrex, Bitstamp, Bitfinex.. on: December 09, 2017, 10:14:35 AM
HI Guys. I'm really loving LeonArdo. I now have it running on a Linux VPS after some initial troubles setting it up.

Still trying to learn the best way to get a profit out of it - so far any small to medium gains it does make seem to get wiped out by one big dip in one of the pairs it's working on.

On the margin maker bot for example I'm struggling to get the right parameters set so that a 10-15% dip in value doesn't stop the bot. I'm posting two examples - in both I set a stop loss of around 5-8% and a negative minimum margin of -1.0% - -2.% but it seems the bot ignored the dropping price completely until it reached the stop-loss value.

How can I best set the stop loss and negative minimum effective gain % so that the bot keeps trading effectively even after a 10=15% drop in price?



The negative minimum gain forces that you won't make a loss more that x% between a buy and a sell.
The stop loss sells at x% as a downside protection and stops the bot.

If you want the strategy to continue you would have to set a bigger % for stop loss.
Hope that helps.

All the best,

  Rene

Right (thanks for your response), but as you can see in the screenshots, the first trades made an effective loss that was bigger than the negative minimum gain - so shouldn't it have sold before it even reached the stop loss?

The reason for that loss was the stop loss which triggered the sell.  So with a bigger stop loss % the strategy wouldn't have sold. Setting a lower* stop loss would have prevented the sell in this case.

Hope that helps!

*lower= lower price = bigger acceptable loss



Ok thank you. I'm struggling a bit to get my head around what the negative minimum gain value means in practice and how it interacts with the other variables. I understand how it works as a positive value - I think, but as a negative value it's a bit confusing.

So given a negative value of -2.0 as an example - does that mean if the price drops more than 2% (of the buy price) that the bot will sell at that point and then resume buying to attempt a profitable trade? or is there something else I'm missing?

The losses it made in those screenshots were last night. Since then I've changed the stop losses to higher % values and have seen  the loss from last night recovered *but* there haven't been any huge dips yet like there were last night, so still need to test a bit more. I'm slowly getting to a point where I think I understand all the parameters enough to set things up to make steady gains... Almost.



The negative eff gain % does not work the way you think.
The eff gain will only kick in *when* the SELL price is actually lower than what the BUY price was.

Now I have not been able to confirm if the % is from the buy price or the actual sell price *once* its below of the buy price.


Thanks, I've played around with it a bit more and it's starting to make sense now, as you said. I think I've nailed it.

+6.5% gains in the last 21hrs, no errors or unexpected losses while I slept (only small losses of up to 1%). I need to do a few more days of testing with my small bankroll of BTC 0.007 before I start to take it seriously, but it's looking very promising Smiley
36  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] leonArdo - Bitcoin Trading Bot for Poloniex, Bittrex, Bitstamp, Bitfinex.. on: December 08, 2017, 08:34:39 PM
HI Guys. I'm really loving LeonArdo. I now have it running on a Linux VPS after some initial troubles setting it up.

Still trying to learn the best way to get a profit out of it - so far any small to medium gains it does make seem to get wiped out by one big dip in one of the pairs it's working on.

On the margin maker bot for example I'm struggling to get the right parameters set so that a 10-15% dip in value doesn't stop the bot. I'm posting two examples - in both I set a stop loss of around 5-8% and a negative minimum margin of -1.0% - -2.% but it seems the bot ignored the dropping price completely until it reached the stop-loss value.

How can I best set the stop loss and negative minimum effective gain % so that the bot keeps trading effectively even after a 10=15% drop in price?






The negative minimum gain forces that you won't make a loss more that x% between a buy and a sell.
The stop loss sells at x% as a downside protection and stops the bot.

If you want the strategy to continue you would have to set a bigger % for stop loss.
Hope that helps.

All the best,

  Rene

Right (thanks for your response), but as you can see in the screenshots, the first trades made an effective loss that was bigger than the negative minimum gain - so shouldn't it have sold before it even reached the stop loss?

The reason for that loss was the stop loss which triggered the sell.  So with a bigger stop loss % the strategy wouldn't have sold. Setting a lower* stop loss would have prevented the sell in this case.

Hope that helps!

*lower= lower price = bigger acceptable loss



Ok thank you. I'm struggling a bit to get my head around what the negative minimum gain value means in practice and how it interacts with the other variables. I understand how it works as a positive value - I think, but as a negative value it's a bit confusing.

So given a negative value of -2.0 as an example - does that mean if the price drops more than 2% (of the buy price) that the bot will sell at that point and then resume buying to attempt a profitable trade? or is there something else I'm missing?

The losses it made in those screenshots were last night. Since then I've changed the stop losses to higher % values and have seen  the loss from last night recovered *but* there haven't been any huge dips yet like there were last night, so still need to test a bit more. I'm slowly getting to a point where I think I understand all the parameters enough to set things up to make steady gains... Almost.

37  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] leonArdo - Bitcoin Trading Bot for Poloniex, Bittrex, Bitstamp, Bitfinex.. on: December 08, 2017, 06:30:24 PM
HI Guys. I'm really loving LeonArdo. I now have it running on a Linux VPS after some initial troubles setting it up.

Still trying to learn the best way to get a profit out of it - so far any small to medium gains it does make seem to get wiped out by one big dip in one of the pairs it's working on.

On the margin maker bot for example I'm struggling to get the right parameters set so that a 10-15% dip in value doesn't stop the bot. I'm posting two examples - in both I set a stop loss of around 5-8% and a negative minimum margin of -1.0% - -2.% but it seems the bot ignored the dropping price completely until it reached the stop-loss value.

How can I best set the stop loss and negative minimum effective gain % so that the bot keeps trading effectively even after a 10=15% drop in price?






The negative minimum gain forces that you won't make a loss more that x% between a buy and a sell.
The stop loss sells at x% as a downside protection and stops the bot.

If you want the strategy to continue you would have to set a bigger % for stop loss.
Hope that helps.

All the best,

  Rene

Right (thanks for your response), but as you can see in the screenshots, the first trades made an effective loss that was bigger than the negative minimum gain - so shouldn't it have sold before it even reached the stop loss?
38  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] leonArdo - Bitcoin Trading Bot for Poloniex, Bittrex, Bitstamp, Bitfinex.. on: December 08, 2017, 09:20:54 AM
Ended up running tightVNC on a VPS to fix my shittyslow internet connection.

Runs like a charm :p

EDIT:
Does this application make use of multiple cores?

Yeah I ended up running a VNC on a DigitalOcean VPS for basically the same reason. Jonathan said earlier that a dual core CPU would be optimal. I'm currently running it on 1 core, 3GB memory and it seems fine once it's running with around 5-6 pairs. The GUI can be a bit slow when I'm initiating pair strategies, but once it's all set its fine.

once I figure out how to stop it making losses on big dips and it actually starts earning it's keep I will probably upgrade to a 2 core VPS.
39  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] leonArdo - Bitcoin Trading Bot for Poloniex, Bittrex, Bitstamp, Bitfinex.. on: December 08, 2017, 09:01:33 AM
HI Guys. I'm really loving LeonArdo. I now have it running on a Linux VPS after some initial troubles setting it up.

Still trying to learn the best way to get a profit out of it - so far any small to medium gains it does make seem to get wiped out by one big dip in one of the pairs it's working on.

On the margin maker bot for example I'm struggling to get the right parameters set so that a 10-15% dip in value doesn't stop the bot. I'm posting two examples - in both I set a stop loss of around 5-8% and a negative minimum margin of -1.0% - -2.% but it seems the bot ignored the dropping price completely until it reached the stop-loss value.

How can I best set the stop loss and negative minimum effective gain % so that the bot keeps trading effectively even after a 10=15% drop in price?



40  Economy / Economics / Re: tax on bitcoin profits in United Kingdom? [Solved] on: November 25, 2017, 10:54:26 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_bitcoin_by_country_or_territory#Central_Europe

From Wikipedia:

The government of the United Kingdom has stated that the bitcoin is currently unregulated and is treated as a 'foreign currency' for most purposes, including VAT/GST.[2]:United Kingdom

Bitcoin is treated as 'private money'. When bitcoin is exchanged for sterling or for foreign currencies, such as euro or dollar, no VAT will be due on the value of the bitcoins themselves. However, in all instances, VAT will be due in the normal way from suppliers of any goods or services sold in exchange for bitcoin or other similar cryptocurrency. Profits and losses on cryptocurrencies are subject to capital gains tax.

This is actually pretty cool to know. So there is not nearly as much right now in the UK on Bitcoin than their fiat.

Bitcoin is also unregulated where I live still, and at the moment I am now wondering if BTC is taxed or if it is considered an asset whereby we would need to pay tax on our gains from it. I think there is not doubt that in the next 5 years we are going to start to see governments really look into taxing crypto... finding ways to make it possible, because right now it really is impossible.

Actually this applies only to the VAT aspect. VAT is  charged TO consumers/customers and collected BY businesses/companies who are VAT registered, who then pass it on to HMRC. So no VAT is charged on transactions between currencies (including bitcoin and other cryptos), but VAT is still payable on transactions of normal goods and services (where normally applicable) that are transacted in bitcoin/crypto.

The issue of Capital Gains tax and Income tax is a totally separate issue to the VAT rules.
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