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Stake has thousands of players who are placing bets always. A lot of Stake players are placing hundred thousand dollars bet everyday. Stake team hasn't locked every user account. Why Stunna believed that OP was engaged in match fixing
So does 1xbit, that's an invalid point. There could be a case of selective scam.
Let's assume, you have never placed bets on cricket matches. But all on a sudden you have started to place bets on cricket matches, especially in precise results. As example: there will be 6 runs in the 2nd over, 5 runs and 1 wicket in the 3rd over, 2 runs in the 4th over, 7 runs in the 5th over. Then you won 90% of your bets. The odds provider and bookie will do further investigation when they will find suspicious betting pattern like that. Stake team has done it and found
Someone winning 90% bets is never a good argument because there are players losing 90% bets, does that mean stake is match-fixing? I have more than 100 bets on table tennis in total at stake I believe, I used to bet earlier years ago and then I was betting recently. Don't make assumptions please.
KYC verification isn't required as long as you are a loyal user of the casino. But every casino will ask you to verify your identity if they find such suspicious activity. You shouldn't have submitted 4 different identity documents. You should have communicated with Stake support team to know that why your documents were being rejected. But you have done this
Are you kidding me? Bet365 and any legit casino/sportsbook will ask KYC first up. KYC isn't (or shouldn't) be a toy for casinos to play with when a player wins big. You ask for KYC when you believe the player is accessing from a restricted area or you are deemed ineligible for gambling like underage etc. |
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If a scammer would do that, it would be abuse of power and they should be removed from DT. However, in this case, I haven't seen evidence of Stunna scamming. I did however see OP admit to identity fraud. I have previously failed to verify my account 1 year back when asked for documents, after submitting fake documents according to them, if identity verification is such an important thing, why was I allowed to gamble that time? Because I was losing, obviously To me, this seems like a case that can't be resolved here on Bitcointalk. We can't know for sure what happened, which makes it a case for a judge. As far as I know Stake is licensed, so you can get a lawyer to get to the bottom of this.
The Curacao license is fully tilted towards the gambling house, you can please google about it. Even 1xbet have the same license, but can you really do anything? Now you said this can't be solved on forum. Fine, then why have you tagged 1xbet (rghtly so) and if you tag one casino then you must have the same attitude towards other casinos/sportsbooks. Ether give the casinos a free hand to scam players and do whatever they want or if you are going to stand against scams, then no reason to skip stake, just because they have a good prior history on bitcointalk. |
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I am so grateful someone has stood up against him. I don't think casino owners should be given so much power that they scam and on top harass the player as well.
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Stunna, the owner of stake.com has given me negative feedback because I created a thread of how they scammed me for $80k (now around $100k) Original thread - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5383835.0It has been 2-3 months and they are holding my funds claiming some odds provide investigation but they don't have any timeline on how long it would take. Yes, it can literally take 10 years and they have stopped replying to me via emails. I made some 500 bets within the last 1 month before the account was locked. They say because I win some 29 bets from 32 bets, I am a match-fixer. They have left me a -ve feedback as well without any proofs and purely based on assumptions. Isn't this abuse of power that you scam people and if they report it, you leave them -ve feedback. I have posted all the proofs but they have only made stories that because I won many bets, I am match-fixing. Even trusted members like LoyceV are afraid to speak against them and believed their stories, by giving merit to their assumptions. |
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It's not a case of people are afraid of stake lmao. Most of us could care less about any gambling site as long as they are operating in a fair capacity.
I checked your neg trust and see stunna tagged you, so I checked the reference. If you tried verifying yourself via sending documents, why did you send 4 different id's? Also, why was it 4 different people according to stunna?
You want people to believe your story, but you aren't really showing any proof.
Thanks, finally someone asked questions directly. 1- I have cleared it many times but will clear it again. I sent my documents but they were in my local language to which stake denied and asked for proofs in English. Then I checked and my son had documents in English which I uploaded. You can ask Stunna, the last name on both documents is same and Father's name shows as the one sent earlier. After I sent documents in English, they started asking me passport which I don't have and when I told them, they said get a passport or we won't verify your account. I panicked and arranged documents from a friend, that is all. I was asked for selfie and I provided it all, but they simply kept finding new reasons and at the end said no we only need passport. 2- My documents were declined some 1 years ago and yet I was allowed to gamble, withdraw & deposit. If KYC is such a massive problem, why did they allow me to gamble that time? 3- Most important - They say if a player fails to complete KYC, the account is put on withdraw only mode, which is what my account has been put in right now. BUT DESPITE BEING IN WITHDRAW ONLY MODE, I AM NOW ALLOWED TO WITHDRAW. Proof of withdraw only mode - https://prnt.sc/Ib64Qo_wLI6cwithdraw only = player can only withdraw but not gamble and despite that when I try to withdraw, I get this error - https://prnt.sc/kniP4Djma4YQ |
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It's one example of what could be done.
I'm certainly no nuclear physicist, and it doesn't take anyone smart to come up with much more advanced strategies. I have not hedged any bets man If you are incapable of hypothetical thinking, state so clearly. I am asking a simple question, is the investgation complete? The players are not guilty then please explan why you are holding my funds. As the bets need to go through the sports provider and the casinos only manage wagers, while an investigation is pending and has the possibility of fixed betting, why would they release the funds? I am placing some 100k xrp bets in a day and considering the house edge is around 15% normally for sports, I would be losing 15k xrp for hedging as per your claim, why would I do that? Maybe for certain markets or parlays, but as far as I know the edge is nowhere close to 15%. 1- Why would they release funds? because there should be a limit of as of how long they can hold the funds, they cannot hold it for years, right? Secondly, they can void any bets they have proofs are fixed but how come they freeze the entire balance? 2- The house edge on sports is higher, please check out yourself Would you feel amazing if whatever wallet/exchange/etc you use, blocks your balance and freeze it for a decade and only chance to release is to your grandchildren? Think of yourself in my shoes and you might realize (if you haven't been paid by them) |
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I have been waiting for around 3 months now and they are saying the investigation is under progress. I have posted all the proofs and in counter all Stunna, the stake's owner, has in return is that a player has won 29 out of 32 bets and that's why he's match fixing. No one on the entire forum dares to speak against them .. please can someone support me get my funds out? If even they say a game was fixed, just void that particular bet but how can they freeze the entire $100k balance for 3 months with no evidence of match fixing at all More - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5383835.0As far as KYC goes, 1 year ago my KYC was declined but I was allowed to gamble, play deposit & withdraw. If passing KYC was such a huge problem, why did they let me play then? Obviously because I was losing money In past, I have deposited back funds when I was told some bets were wrongly settled as win while they should be voided. I mean if I was wrong, why would I return $10k that time when I had already withdrawn them? |
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Last page of bets https://prnt.sc/m8udmeXV5yOTI am winning 16 bets from some 20 bets and all on different events, does that mean I have fixed all the e-sports leagues around the world and table tennis and evetyhing? |
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Are you part of the stake team? If not then please let stake speak because I have NOT hedged any bets as you claim. I would like to see some proofs of what you are claiming here and if you don't have proofs I guess you were just paid by stake to help them. It's one example of what could be done. I'm certainly no nuclear physicist, and it doesn't take anyone smart to come up with much more advanced strategies. Though, what I can offer is that I've seen many of these cases across the same topic of the sportsbook provider having taken action, across multiple casinos. If someone is betting a large amount on fixed matches, their other bets can be easily excluded through a number of ways. Even generally, your statistical expectation is only that of the house edge. Considering any odds, if you're set to win 1:1 then you'd have 20+ bets at the same value betting with the sportsbook edge. Anything better than those odds only raise the margin you have, adding flexibility. I wouldn't mind it if Stake paid me, but the truth is always free.  I have not hedged any bets man, I can show my bet history page and if you are saying I hedged from another account then please ask stake to show those bets I placed from other account to hedge the ones I placed. I don't know why you are confusing things. I am asking a simple question, is the investgation complete? The players are not guilty then please explan why you are holding my funds. I am placing some 100k xrp bets in a day and considering the house edge is around 15% normally for sports, I would be losing 15k xrp for hedging as per your claim, why would I do that? Stunna has the time to give merits on your posts but doesn't have the time to answer simple and straightforward questions? I will pay you $100 if you need man but at least be neutral and have some common sense, please? |
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Mind you while I was winning bets on TT, I was also placing 20+ bets on other games like LOL, DOTA2, etc .. the same amounts if NOT MORE that I placed on table tennis. If I was doing match-fixing, why would I gamble on other events that big?
Chapter 4: Cover Tactics To draw away heat, advantage players cannot bet perfectly but must disguise their betting behavior by sacrificing some value. In the example of sportsbetting, the team placed their fixed match bets alongside other smokescreen bets on the latest big matches. They hedged their bets perfectly across the team and were undetectable. There were many other techniques, of course, and they had to alternate between them to maintain caution. Are you part of the stake team? If not then please let stake speak because I have NOT hedged any bets as you claim. I would like to see some proofs of what you are claiming here and if you don't have proofs I guess you were just paid by stake to help them. |
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Is there an update from the investigation Stunna? If you don't have an update or the players are found not guilty of match-fixing, then please release my funds. You have no reason to lock my funds for 6 months if the players are not involved in what you claim to be fixed games.
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IMPORTANT
I just recall something which is worth sharing.
In 2020, I was asked for KYC and I submitted documents that were declined but I was able to place bets and withdraw funds, because I was losing. I am wondering if declined KYC documents is such a huge problem for them, why was I allowed to gamble/withdraw that time?
Another thing, few months ago some of my bets were settled as win and I cashed out the funds. Then hours later I was told that the bets were settled by mistake and must be voided and that I need to return the funds or my account is locked. I deposited and returned them the funds back then, if I was involved in something wrong, would I ever deposit back and pay them? Instead of just creating a new account.
I have got proofs for both the events so please don't come up with stories this time.
Please show us the "proof" you have of these events. I can't post proofs anytime a stranger asks me mate, once Stunna or anyone reputed wants me to show them, I'll gladly share. Stunna won't ask though because he already knows it. What's the point of publicly claiming you have proof when you won't publicly share it? Because in case stake denies my claims, I can then post proofs. |
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IMPORTANT
I just recall something which is worth sharing.
In 2020, I was asked for KYC and I submitted documents that were declined but I was able to place bets and withdraw funds, because I was losing. I am wondering if declined KYC documents is such a huge problem for them, why was I allowed to gamble/withdraw that time?
Another thing, few months ago some of my bets were settled as win and I cashed out the funds. Then hours later I was told that the bets were settled by mistake and must be voided and that I need to return the funds or my account is locked. I deposited and returned them the funds back then, if I was involved in something wrong, would I ever deposit back and pay them? Instead of just creating a new account.
I have got proofs for both the events so please don't come up with stories this time.
Please show us the "proof" you have of these events. I can't post proofs anytime a stranger asks me mate, once Stunna or anyone reputed wants me to show them, I'll gladly share. Stunna won't ask though because he already knows it. |
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IMPORTANT
I just recall something which is worth sharing.
In 2020, I was asked for KYC and I submitted documents that were declined but I was able to place bets and withdraw funds, because I was losing. I am wondering if declined KYC documents is such a huge problem for them, why was I allowed to gamble/withdraw that time?
Another thing, few months ago some of my bets were settled as win and I cashed out the funds. Then hours later I was told that the bets were settled by mistake and must be voided and that I need to return the funds or my account is locked. I deposited and returned them the funds back then, if I was involved in something wrong, would I ever deposit back and pay them? Instead of just creating a new account.
I have got proofs for both the events so please don't come up with stories this time.
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1- Please name the matches that you claim are fixed and provide enough evidence
2- Why I was not allowed to withdraw but allowed to gamble?
3- 5 days back my account was put to withdraw only mode, even then I was not able to withraw. When I asked support they simply removed the withdraw only mode silently.
4- If a player is winning 50 bets straight, does that give you the ability to call them match fixer? If yes please mention that in your terms & conditions
1. According to Stunna, atleast from my understanding, it wasn't the amount won or how many times you won, but the dead accuracy of your match bets, and the fact thats the funds from your XRP wallet was linked to other match fixers. 2. Im guessing this is due to their legal obligation to need KYC before payout, but not to gamble. 3. Must have been a mistake on the staffs part which they fixed but you still complain about 4. I have a feeling you didn't read the probably 30 or so pages of Terms of Service that you agreed to when you signed up for this casino. I'll wait for Stunna to reply because your answers neither matter nor make sense. No TOS would have a rule like winning 29 bets from 32 is not allowed lmao |
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I have unlocked the thread as I have a question for stake
Since you believe some games were fixed, have you refunded any players who lost money on those games?
And please post the result of the player investigation. Its been 40 days lets see how long it takes if any investigation is actually going on
Probably investigation about your case is over. Don't know if you are able to read or just rushed through the comment but the investigation is NOT OVER. If the investigation is over as you said, then they must tell me which game they found was fixed and provide the proofs/report along with it. I don't know why some are blindly taking sides but freezing the account just because I won 29/32 is terrible. I was allowed to gamble all this while, if they deemed I shouldn't be able to withraw then what was the logic on allowing me to gamble? A few questions to stake and @stunna please answer them straightforward 1- Please name the matches that you claim are fixed and provide enough evidence 2- Why I was not allowed to withdraw but allowed to gamble? 3- 5 days back my account was put to withdraw only mode, even then I was not able to withraw. When I asked support they simply removed the withdraw only mode silently. 4- If a player is winning 50 bets straight, does that give you the ability to call them match fixer? If yes please mention that in your terms & conditions Mind you while I was winning bets on TT, I was also placing 20+ bets on other games like LOL, DOTA2, etc .. the same amounts if NOT MORE that I placed on table tennis. If I was doing match-fixing, why would I gamble on other events that big?
5- Are you going to refund the players who lost money to a fixed match? If not then how do you justify taking away funds from the winners? You win in both situations! 6- IMPORTANT - If you said I submitted fake documents then that should put me into ineligible category and you should not allow a player ineligible to place bets, how do you explain that? |
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I think maybe you should take some responsibility here and perhaps then you'd be able to negotiate some sort of settlement or something.
What kind of responsibility, I am open to negotiating with stake if they wish to do so. I am more than happy to provide all the details they need as well which might help them as well but constantly calling me a match fixer without any proof of the players or the games being fixed is childish at best. I was even allowed to gamble for 20 days until I questioned them why I am allowed to gamble if I have done something wrong? Would you accept bets from an illegal/illegible player? @stunna I am locking the thread until the investigation is complete to avoid being off-topic. Once the investigation is complete, I expect a DM/email from you and then if we can't find a common ground, I'll re-open the thread.I have unlocked the thread as I have a question for stake Since you believe some games were fixed, have you refunded any players who lost money on those games? And please post the result of the player investigation. Its been 40 days lets see how long it takes if any investigation is actually going on |
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Well, I can confirm I am NOT involved in any match-fixing and not sure about what you have said above.
There are various tipsters I follow for esports and sports because they have a high win % on their picks but that doesn't mean they are match fixers. I would like to see the result of players being investigated as you mentioned and if it turns out what you said is true, which I am sure is not, I'll accept the decision of closing my account and lock this thread.
Since you have replied even though not the expected reply, I have now closed/withdrawn the flag as well. I respect and wish to support any investigation but that doesn't mean silence for a month. If you have been replying via emails and/or support I wouldn't have created this thread in first place
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FLAG: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2912
It has been over 1 month now and stake is playing games with me. I have created a thread with all the details - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5383835.0Long story short Stake has frozen $80k ($70k originally but due to price rise is now $80k) and it has been a month and more now. They said the odds provider is doing some investigation but failed to provide any update at all neither able to provide any progress report on what they are doing and how long they will take. The stake integrity team (which I was asked to contact) has not replied to my emails for more than 20 days and have even stopped replying to my host when she (Djiana) asks them for an update. I am left with no option but to raise a flag against them at this stage. Please support/oppose the flag based on facts and not their prior reputation and/or your experience because even I have immense respect for stake but what they are doing now is beyond acceptable.
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The stake integrity team is not even replying to my host. What kind of team is this that hasn't replied to me since 20 days and are not even replying to the host assigned by them
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