If you go http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.phpinput the next difficulty level - 1167734.0, and 300 Mhash/s (max rate for 5830) and $18 per bitcoin which IS $4 more than they are currently trading for. You get Coins Dollars per Day ฿0.26 $4.65 per Week ฿1.88 $33.92 per Month ฿7.86 $141.40 So, it will take 1 month of mining with no difficulty increases just to break even...lol. I will wait patiently as I will snag 2 of these cards for nothing. They are not good for gaming so they are useless outside of mining. Hi Ok, troll, let's run that game with the specs for a 6830. Same difficulty: 1167734 6970's max rate: 420 mHash/sec Exchange Rate: 18 Troll (hi/angelus) gets: Coins Dollars per Day ฿0.36 $6.56 per Week ฿2.66 $47.82 per Month ฿11.08 $199.37 Spending $300+ (not including shipping), and you break even Tuesday after thanksgiving, troll. So, by your math and horrible-theorycrafting-type-soothsaying-of-things-you-know-not, not really any card is worth it. Keep circle jerking and posting on everyone's 5830 post and you'll be SOL with all your waiting. Good luck, troll, and next time you sell your 5830 for $50 stop and think about it for a sec, instead of trying to rain on everyone's parade. |
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Hi, they're selling in his range-ish (Though it may or may not be on the high side). You need to check eBay/market/actual x-actions and consider that no one's giving them away for free. Just because difficulty may or may not change, they are good cards for the price/performance.
Also consider relative return...if they don't return, what will? Hope you have an ASIC mining cluster, and are just helping from the future...
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Hi Hi...check out http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180684983053I posted 2 great, semi-minty Sapphire 5830's. $107.50 for the both last I checked. You can just bid there if you want a fair and square deal. BTW Calculate longer than 3 days for mining...and consider btc value (which is volatile, ehh). |
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I went to Insane's cattle mill to purchase more cattle for my new ranch the other day. Knowing Insane, the prices tend to change... insanely. He happened to have a good portion of cattle up for sale at .01 dollars a pop so -- rationally -- I acted on the offer. I was able to claim a good portion of my purchase before Insane shut down his mill due to some negligence on his part -- and now he wants the property I paid for back.
I find this to be extremely disrespectful to my time and my prospective ranch. I should not have to suffer because Insane cannot maintain his mill. I should be at least compensated for my time and the required labor to sort through this purchase.
I reccommend nobody purchases from Insane again.
Love,
Sane
Sanity can't be judged by a moron. Ol' "Sane" should have known the cattle were stolen property (thus committing theft-by-receivership) or cattle of the damned. |
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$170, probably not. $109/$100/$125/$85, troll-proof.
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Ok...8 days...4 days....1 day...constant difficulty increase!
Still, troll, what's the exchange rate? What's the pool like? Are you mining bitcoin? Are you mining namecoin? Are you mining newcoin? Are you playing COD4 on awesome?
A card is still worth a card, troll.
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Someone wants to keep their fat "booty"...
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Yeah, I think the troll started this thread in response to yours, and his mom buying back the cards he was selling for a large loss.
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Assuming 300mhash/s, bitcoin price of $17 and difficulty of 877k, a 5830 will create ~$188 per month at current difficulty (wont last that long - just an example), $141 per month at the next difficulty level, and about $103 per month at 1,500,000 difficulty.
If you buy today, it will pay itself off if you bought at $109 or even $160. More so if BTC price rises. While no difficulty level at this point will generally last a month (2 weeks or less actually), the rises aren't steep enough to make mining unprofitable. Even after you gain back 100% of the buy price at 1,5m difficulty, you will be gaining $80 per month profit at current prices.
Worth it with a single card? If you are just some random gamer then sure. Don't count on it for a living though. At 2 million difficulty you will be making $50 bucks per month at current prices.
At 3m difficulty, either prices will go up or ~90% of casual miners will give up and thus drive the difficulty down to about 2.4m.
Jack of Diamonds, I respect you for being the FIRST PERSON SO FAR TODAY to actually argue with the numbers themselves, rather than just shooting the messenger. I personally don't think 300 MH/s is a reasonable expectation. Overclocking carries risks, and not every card can reach 300. I had problems at 292 with a Sapphire card (which are the best, BTW). AND if you're overclocking you're also using more than 160W, so the greater electricity usage must be subtracted at the other end. Bitcoins aren't $17 at the moment -- we should go by the current price to be fair. Naysayers could just as easily calculate at $10, while you calculate at $17. Maybe the answer is to show the figures for $10, $15, $20, and $25? Let the would-be buyer make the choice about what he thinks the market will do. So if he loses his money, he'll have no one to blame but himself. But at least he'll know what he's getting himself into. How many BTC are you saying they'll make per day? According to Deepbit's estimator, which I believe takes Pool commissions into account, one would make 0.30 BTC/day at a hashrate of 290MH/s. .30 BTC/day times $17 (a generous figure -- which I'm sure we both hope for. I'm a miner myself) is $5.10 a day. But difficulty will go up before any cards bought today could go online. It will be at least 30% (this much is fact). So your monthly projection is already way off. Monthly projections are *very, very* deceptive because they always fail to take Difficulty increases into consideration. And difficulty increases are a fact of life. It's foolish to deny them or treat them like they don't exist. Matthew I'll shoot the messenger. Stop being a troll/douche and freaking people out about your perception of the current numbers of one possible function of the cards, and leave it here. Not only do you troll your own topic, but you troll all the 5830 postings out there. It's not like its mines btc exclusively, and who knows what the numbers will be like in X months, where mining does or doesnt pay off. You're no different than (BUY! SELL! MINE! DON'T MINE! THE SKY IS FALLING! I'M BEING USEFUL!). IN THE END, it's still a decent card, and for a decent price, it mines well and plays great (and alot better than most of the comparable cards out there). You can have your opinion, we don't have to respect it (especially when you act like a hypocritical troll). |
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Thanks for the helpful math and bump, Matthew. Guess you didn't get what you were asking for yours (hence the thread spillover/you looking to troll all 5830 postings), or you are tooooo cheap, and/or are looking for handouts.
Last I also checked, they do any proof-of-work thing, including mining bitcoin, namecoin, buttcoin (among others, all with diff exchange rates), along with, I don't know, graphics rendering.
Two late model, crossfireable, most games-on-absolute-max, graphics cards are always handy, regardless of the current absolute bitcoin mining and exchange rate, and a lot better than someones nVidia-hashing-getting-nothing-or-WoW-on-Low.
Next time, also link where the 5830 sits among the other cards (comparatively pretty high at low price/good btc hashing). Unless someone wants to drop $300-$600 per card, these are a sweet deal (latest was $100 for both).
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Good afternoon everyone! I picked up 2 of the Sapphire 5830 on the 1st of this month and like many others I'm putting these up for sale. (Difference is, I'll take market :-) ). They were installed in a Antec 900 case (great airflow), kept stock, and always cool. (I mostly do Second Life type stuff, which I need to throw a bigger card at). I've listed them on the bay-of-E at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180684983053I started the auction at $100 for the both of them with no reserve. If you are high bidder (and trusted/repped), I might consider a clearcoin-charity-escrow backed btc trade. If you have any other questions, send them my way. Thanks for looking and have a good day! |
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You don't sound like an expert to me. How about "About Mt. Gox flaw from a guy who's picked up some stuff about security browsing the net"
I totally respect your opinion. Don't get me wrong, we're all very impressed you can lift cookies over wifi.
What I'm impressed about, is that such as simple flaw isn't prevented by a system who moves millions of dollars. That's such a noobish mistake. Moreover that they blame users for a flaw of their system. Even worse, while I'm sure Mt. gox can pay handsomely an admin to prevent too much of this abuse, other exchanges without the same liquidity copied mt. gox, flaws included. Someone evil-minded might use this to make the bitcoin market crash. Dont you all see the negative implications of this? Am I the only concerned? We all the only concerned. Take that faux-expertise to someone who needs half-empty glass a. |
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I think he mentioned that
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Good evening everyone! We're getting ready to move and try to cut down, so I'm listing a spare rig and for someone looking to deal. It was originally built for my gf, but she uses her laptop, so this guy sits. Here are the all important specs:
MB: ASUS M4A89GTD PRO AM3 AMD 890GX SATA 6Gb/s HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
GPU: SAPPHIRE 100296HDMI Radeon HD 4670 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
PSU: Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W Continuous power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
CPU: AMD Phenom II X3 740 Black Edition Heka 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Desktop Processor HDZ740WFK3DGI - OEM
RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10600CL9D-4GBNT
HD: Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Case: Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
DVD: ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
OS: Ubuntu 11.04
I built it from NewEgg (the rockinest source) last October and for the most part has been sitting turned off. The mobo, gpu, and psu all have a transferrable extended warranty, and I have the related invoices. I'm asking 25-30 BTC (dang volatility, would negotiate based on average exchange rate recently ~$15/btc) or $400.
I'll ship things whichever method/carrier you prefer (quote it from arkansas). I'd prefer to do a safe(r) transaction, btc/Clearcoin (charity escrow). I do have Paypal (shivers, must be truuuussted) and could disclose eBay for reputation.
PM me if your interested... this stuff is a nice setup and it should be reasonable... Thanks for looking, and have a good day!
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You could look at it like this: 25k btc buys 1 week of moderate press coverage...
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Oh the irony, this thread is now being hijacked with exactly the kind of troll-inviting discussion that it was complaining about  So, you're the troll doing the 'jacking. Nice... Must be a pro from all that 'jacking you do elsewhere. |
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