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21  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [Riser] Quality riser / Amazon ! on: January 14, 2018, 01:05:13 PM
Im about to get a pack of 009S to hopefully replace 006.... half the 006 I got were DOA, which kind of set me back a lot of time trying to figure out why the rig was producing errors.

What are the pro's and con's of led lights on the 009S? Its nice to be able to see if the riser boards are working via led but is there anything bad about this feature?

led= one more point of failure? yes/no/maybe..?

22  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Do i need any thing extra to assemble my first rig? on: January 14, 2018, 11:32:38 AM
Hi, My first rig build is going to be: GPU: 6 x Galax GeForce GTX1070Ti EX Sniper White 8GB GDDR5

CPU:Intel Celeron G3900 Dual Core LGA 1151 2.8GHz Processor

Power Supply: Corsair HX1200M 1200W 80 Plus Platinum Modular Power Supply

SSD:Kingston SSDNow A400 120GB 2.5" SATA III SSD SA400S37/120G

Motherboard: ASUS PRIME H270-PLUS LGA 1151 ATX Motherboard

RAM: Crucial 4GB (1x 4GB) DDR4 2400MHz Memory

6 powered Risers and a open air frame.

Do i need to purchase any additional wires of anything to get my rig running or do i have all i need??
Should this be fine to just plug into a power outlet or do i need to check if it can handle it first? I live in Australia if that helps.

Might need to grab a few more riser boards. A few of mine were DOA so I had to get replacements... it was a pain to single out the bad ones. Sometimes its just the usb cable....
23  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / GPU safe temperature RX580? 72C normal? on: January 14, 2018, 11:31:08 AM
Hi guys,

Total noob here... Finally got my rig up and running with 6 rx580s... btw, thanks to all those who helped me out along the way.

I ran my rig for a few hours and am getting into an issue with temperature readings. Some of the cards run at a higher temp than others.
As far as I checked, the spacing and physical location doesnt really change the temperature read outs. I keep them all fairly separated.

Most of them average at 66C, but there is one card that runs like 72C. Is this normal in your rigs?  or should I do something about that card that runs hotter than others?

They all average about 29.5MH/s with about 15-20% undervolt thru MSI AFterburner
24  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Do i need any thing extra to assemble my first rig? on: January 14, 2018, 11:25:08 AM
Wall power meter:



Do you keep your power meter plugged in while the rig run 24/7?

I'm wondering if it can handle the current on a 24/7 basis.... planning to get one of those or a smart meter, help me decide...!!

25  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Expected return vs true return mining ETH on: January 14, 2018, 11:21:16 AM
Hi folks,

What are your true mining return vs expected return calculated by sites like CryptoCompare?

Their return numbers are very good right now due to recent rise in ETH prices, but how much should I take off the calculated numbers? Are they calcualted based on best-case scenerios?

Thanks in advance...
26  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Current best powered risers available? on: January 08, 2018, 08:59:46 AM
If I could find a GOOD MOLEX riser, I'd go with it - but so far no luck.
The all-in-one risers I've gotten from COBOC via Newegg have been hassle-free.
The Mintcell all-in-one risers worked, but the USB cable was iffy and had to be replaced to work well on one.



whats the reason for choosing Molex over 6PIN riser board?

Is it better to hook them up via Molex instead of  single 8pin pcie cable with 6pin piggy tail?
27  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Current best powered risers available? on: January 06, 2018, 09:38:23 AM
make sure the risers are isolated from the case.

Thanks.

I'm also wondering if it makes sense to buy an all-in-one riser (with all 3 power sockets SATA/Molex/6Pin), instead of a single 6PIN riser board?

The only issue is the location of 6pin socket of  all-in-one riser is in the middle right next to the pcie slot. The single purpose 6pin riser boards have them in the back.

I will have the gpu cards line up parallel to each other, so if the 6pin socket must go in between the cards there will be some air flow issues? much rather have them in the back so the power cable doesnt have to go between the gpu cards which could get pretty hot?
28  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Current best powered risers available? on: January 05, 2018, 09:25:36 AM
You don't mount DIRECTLY to the aluminum as such, you use spacers - both MB and riser cards have "isolated" mounting holes so you can get away with using brass or steel spacers.

Iron is close on conductivity to aluminum.
Both are somewhat inferior to copper silver and gold but ALL of them are "conductors" and conduct electricity well.

 Many high-tension power lines back in the past used an iron core with copper electroplated to that core.
 Today the core is usually aluminum due to it being lighter while still being stronger than copper.


 Riser cards ARE fairly standardized - that's why you see so many folks offering the "same version" risers.
 I have no clue who originates the design for each version.



I got an open frame steel case that mounts everything including the power supply. Everything except for the PSU will be mounted with either spacer or rubber pad (riser boards).

Am I supposed to mount the psu first and ground it? It looks like PSU is the only component that directly touch the steel frame.


29  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Current best powered risers available? on: January 03, 2018, 08:55:04 AM
It never hurts to use TOO BIG of a wire, except where cost is a factor.

 Runs cooler, less IIR losses (though usually not a BIG difference on those factors for only going "one step" bigger).


Cost is certainly a factor ... lol

but I definitely want to be on the safe side.

the more info I dig the more question arise out of them...

It seems to me most of the parts are standard manufacturing, including motherboards, and the only non standard equipments are the riser boards and custom chasis. Any reason why motherboard makers wont release standard x1 - x16 boards that are tested safe to use with PSUs ?

I feel folks would pay a little premium for those parts if they are standardized?

As for chasis/mounting frames, if anyone has a recommendation i'd greatly appreciate it.

I read some debates on wood vs metal, and am somewhat leaning towards metal frames made from iron....

some folks recommend aluminium, but isnt aluminum too good of a conductor to mount electronics on? last I checked, iron is much less conductive?
30  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: RX580 and riser board, PSU with pcie pigtail, wire 16 vs 18 awg? on: January 03, 2018, 08:47:18 AM
Hi folks,

Putting together a 6 gpu rig that hopefully run 24/7....

I'm wondering if I need to replace the PSU's #18 AWG pcie 8pin + 8pin pigtail, to 16 AWG ones?

Would it make a big difference? I will be using the same cable with PCIE 8pin on the gpu and the pigtail with extension cable will go into the 6pin on its riser board. The pcie cables that came with the psu are 18 awg.


The default PSU connectors should be fine for that purpose, assuming nothing is defective. A quality cable *should* be able to handle both 8-pin connectors under load, and the 8-pin + 6-pin configuration that you described substantially less than that.

According to a blog post I found @ http://cryptomining-blog.com/tag/pcie-risers/

18 AWG cables are rated up to 8A,

@12V, thats 96W

PCIE 8pin with 8pin pigtail should have 3 (?) of those on the pigtail so it comes up to 96W x 3 = 288W max

Not sure at what % utilization is best, factoring in some loss along the cable, and assuming RX580 graphics cards will take about 100-150W to cryptomine...

Thats about 52% utilization @150W per graphics card....?

How much rise in temperature should I expect when the cards run 24/7 ? there's a formula somewhere to calculate all this, I suppose?




31  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / RX580 and riser board, PSU with pcie pigtail, wire 16 vs 18 awg? on: January 03, 2018, 12:38:11 AM
Hi folks,

Putting together a 6 gpu rig that hopefully run 24/7....

I'm wondering if I need to replace the PSU's #18 AWG pcie 8pin + 8pin pigtail, to 16 AWG ones?

Would it make a big difference? I will be using the same cable with PCIE 8pin on the gpu and the pigtail with extension cable will go into the 6pin on its riser board. The pcie cables that came with the psu are 18 awg.
32  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Current best powered risers available? on: January 02, 2018, 03:31:20 AM
It's about the wiring, not the PCI-E spec itself.
I don't think they anticipated folks using wiring runs long enough for IIR losses to cause issues, or enough losses to cause noticeable voltage drop to the connector.



thanks for the response...

Would using or mixing 16AWG vs 18AWG pcie power cables make a big difference?

I'm using 18AWG cables from the PSU but need to add an extension cable so I can use the same power cable to plug into both the gpu and riser board (6pin), the original psu cable comes with two end points but is only long enough to reach either the gpu or riser but not both. The only extensions I could find right now are 16AWG cables. Any issues that may stem from attaching 16AWG extension cable(connect to riser board) to original 18AWG cable from psu?
33  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Current best powered risers available? on: January 01, 2018, 08:22:22 AM
Should be fine. My total length of cables is about 2.5ft. I use extenstions/adapters to go from 6pin to 8pin.

With the extension, my total length would get to about 3.5 ft.

I can't find anywhere in the pcie spec that calls for max cable length?

have I missed something?
34  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Current best powered risers available? on: December 29, 2017, 02:29:43 AM

How do you tell PCI-E 6-pin with *2* vs *3* +12VDC, do I count the yellow cables? (the black ones are ground cable?)

I'm in the middle of a getting a single Seasonic 1300W PSU to hopefully power 6 rx580s... anything to watch out for?


 It's hard sometimes - but oftentimes one of the leads on the +12VDC side will be brown, other times it'll be smaller gauge, other times there is just no way to tell because they used all the same wires for "economy of scale in purchasing" reasons.




Any recommendation for PCIe power cable length?

The PSU comes with PCIe power cables with one 8pin input and two 6+2pin outputs, but the (6+2)pin outputs are too short apart to plug into riser board. Is it safe to add PCIe extention cords to just one of the (6+2)output end of the pcie power cable?

any maximum recommended length?

thanks in advance...
35  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Current best powered risers available? on: December 28, 2017, 11:38:37 AM
Hi guys,

Is it safe to connect molex or 6-pin cable directly to riser board?
As far as I read, the SATA/molex and SATA/6pin power adapters are the ones that should be avoided?

I bought a few riser boards with 6-pin power socket. Came with sata-6pin adapter cables. Should I be using them or try to connect a 6-pin cable directly from the psu 6-pin socket?

Thanks in advance, I also asked the same question in a few thread I posted regarding dual psu and riser boards.

 SATA connectors THEMSELVES are only rated for 54 watts of +12VDC draw, while the PCI-E spec for the bus allows for 75 watts draw.

 MOLEX are rated over 150 watts on the connector, the WIRING is what you have to watch there if you put more than one riser on a chain.

 PCI-E 6-pin using *2* +12VDC lines is good for almost 200 watts, the ones (not actual PCI-E spec) that have 3 +12VDC lines are good for 288.

 Molex and PCI-E 6-pin to riser are safe, SATA is problematic and often UNsafe.

 Keep in mind that the power conversion circuitry on the risers is NOT 100% efficient, so your actual draw from the power connector will be a little MORE than what the card itself is actually pulling.


 The only issue I have with the Mintcell risers to date is that once in a while the USB cable itself is iffy - but they're standard cables and cheap/easy to replace when that happens.



Thank you!

How do you tell PCI-E 6-pin with *2* vs *3* +12VDC, do I count the yellow cables? (the black ones are ground cable?)

I'm in the middle of a getting a single Seasonic 1300W PSU to hopefully power 6 rx580s... anything to watch out for?

36  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Current best powered risers available? on: December 27, 2017, 05:36:38 PM
Is it safe to connect molex or 6-pin cable directly to riser board?

No it is not safe. Actually depends on the current draw through the wires. There were couple of incidents when I almost caught a fire.  On my first rig when I connected 3 risers with 3 sata/molex adapters, the temperature of wires was around 70C, luckily I have a infrared/thermal camera.  So never connect risers with adapters more then 2 in parallel. The other day the contact of one adapter burned out, and happily a rig just hanged. These adapters usually are cheap and wires gauge could be lower then needed.
One more example of what could possibly go wrong with the wires (don't related to the adapters):
This outlet was a first in line and nothing was plugged in it, the rig was connected to the last outlet in the line. The outlet was hot around 80C. So you can see someone, maybe the previous tenant, used wire connectors and wrong wire gauge to connect 15 amp outlet in 20amp line.

wow I need one of those cameras... lol

would you recommend using a smart meter to monitor and remote restart the rig? or attach a meter at all at the plug?
37  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Help with RX580 Graphics Card choice 8pin or 8+6pin on: December 27, 2017, 05:29:31 PM
Guys, got a general question regarding RX580 varieties.

Is it better to cryptomine RX580 cards with 8+6pin power input ? or get the ones with only 8pin power input? I see sometimes the same brand offer both varieties.

TTheoretically 8pin would draw 150W max and 75W from 6pin cable. The riser board also need 75W to feed the graphics card thru PCIe slot. Would 8+6 ease the power load from the risers?

Can anybody explain how all this is supposed to work together?


38  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: RX580 gpu rig riser and dual psu issues on: December 25, 2017, 04:22:47 PM
they are max rated for 185w
when mining they will only consume 90w single mining
and 110w dual mining
using molex is good enough for rx580
and 6pin will obviously be the best

Thanks for the response....
Can I expect 90-110w from RX580 under linux ?
How much do I need to undervolt to get to this type of power consumption?
39  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Current best powered risers available? on: December 25, 2017, 04:57:23 AM
Hi guys,

Is it safe to connect molex or 6-pin cable directly to riser board?
As far as I read, the SATA/molex and SATA/6pin power adapters are the ones that should be avoided?

I bought a few riser boards with 6-pin power socket. Came with sata-6pin adapter cables. Should I be using them or try to connect a 6-pin cable directly from the psu 6-pin socket?

Thanks in advance, I also asked the same question in a few thread I posted regarding dual psu and riser boards.
40  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: RX580 gpu rig riser and dual psu issues on: December 25, 2017, 04:50:32 AM
Another question, if theres enough psu sockets left, can I connect the 6-pin "peripheral & sata" socket directly to the riser's 6-pin power socket ? would that draw enough to satisfy the 75W pcie slot spec? any safety issues?
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