OK, you win Mr. Bikini.  Indeed I was encrypting the wrong seed.  Good luck with your site.

That's exactly what I do: cut and paste never type.  Except I use an encrypted Excel file not a text file.  I once almost got into trouble when Microsoft used to encrypt Excel (over 10 years ago) with a certificate that resided in your hard drive, and then, when I took my Excel file to another PC far away, running the same version of Office, I could not open the file since the root certificate was different.  Luckily I was able to get a trusted friend to decrypt the Excel file on my original machine and send it to me.  Microsoft has since fixed this bug and apparently Excel's encryption is supposedly pretty good now, unlike the way it was over 10 years ago.

Another roll, just now.  Again the numbers are not matching.  Please advise.

TonyT

Client seed
2208701Y2V29P156VojxCc28tW3LSfzlX0qNxWK6MBsA238IGK7BxWpby6ouMmOoUr9f17TQic16b

Next encrypted server seed (sha256):
ad91b0335804a5d97a631d976bf522c0979b3ebd2ac8a381cfa73b2b8446e367
Preview server seed:
1482131u78N1q111OgmQ7rApniFrwy4qo4CBDUj4hMT5nbRTFJlgVQqUSaYl5Dd63x7p

After roll:
$clientSeed="2208701Y2V29P156VojxCc28tW3LSfzlX0qNxWK6MBsA238IGK7BxWpby6ouMmOoUr9f17TQic16b";
$serverSeed="10151685Ve57YGlcB4963Q57S9JeLm9W7BONsVGDgHx1HeUx6yEuCQT5GLJ50c2BxXsTjumz9bHP";
$globalSeedVarchar=$clientSeed.$serverSeed;


http://www.webutils.pl/index.php?idx=sha1  (website choosing sha 256 from dropdown menu)
Encrypted server seed by sha 256 (does not match the above)
SHA-256: e71a13978dc94be18c7d819a341be9753cd8de97b8e5f7bb8b52910db8fa1c93
SHA-256(Base64): 5xoTl43JS+GMfYGaNBvpdTzY3pe45fe7i1KRDbj6HJM=

Mr. Bikini,

I followed your instructions and did not get the expected answers.  There's a chance I did it wrong or you explained it wrong, or there's missing information (as may be the case).

First, thanks for pointing out where the client seed is:  it's in the popup window "provably fair" at the top.  But, following your steps, I did not get step 5, but a different string ("Step 5. You will see the same string you have annoted on the step 1.").  See my results for two rolls below.

Also, I question why the popup window only shows client seed and not server seed.  The server seed is what is at issue here.  So something else needs to be shown.

I have to go; I'll check this thread tomorrow.  Thanks for your attention.

TonyT

2208701Y2V29P156VojxCc28tW3LSfzlX0qNxWK6MBsA238IGK7BxWpby6ouMmOoUr9f17  <--from popup window

after roll:
$clientSeed="2208701Y2V29P156VojxCc28tW3LSfzlX0qNxWK6MBsA238IGK7BxWpby6ouMmOoUr9f17TQic16b";
$serverSeed="32470074i7Xq07pR2pUWQ3WT37A0k10nX6l5bwA6GYVn08yiNoOd1OEn3i0674IF5rn5h";
$globalSeedVarchar=$clientSeed.$serverSeed;


from: http://www.webutils.pl/index.php?idx=sha1 (picking sha256 from drop-down menu)

SHA-256: 8d93b14ef9edfcc6d608dda8bf4331ed703ec9b90141afb46f60b836abc68eee
SHA-256(Base64): jZOxTvnt/MbWCN2ov0Mx7XA+ybkBQa+0b2C4NqvGju4=

Notice these two numbers are not the same as the top number, contrary to step 5.  Anyhow you are not showing your server seed on your site.

//

2208701Y2V29P156VojxCc28tW3LSfzlX0qNxWK6MBsA238IGK7BxWpby6ouMmOoUr9f17TQic16b <--from popup window

after roll:
$clientSeed="2208701Y2V29P156VojxCc28tW3LSfzlX0qNxWK6MBsA238IGK7BxWpby6ouMmOoUr9f17TQic16b";
$serverSeed="398281539878TWI45g5JjiSfcg1Dv4uC7VxgSWRjaKvKHD8T8l60B7FE6Al";
$globalSeedVarchar=$clientSeed.$serverSeed;

from: http://www.webutils.pl/index.php?idx=sha1 (picking sha256 from drop-down menu)

SHA-256: 6b205c582e56309ffc1e9b5f993703657a105215f4942eabe4ebbe98ba581d71
SHA-256(Base64): ayBcWC5WMJ/8HptfmTcDZXoQUhX0lC6r5Ou+mLpYHXE=

Notice these two numbers are not the same as the top number, contrary to step 5.  Anyhow you are not showing your server seed on your site.

Update:  I found where your server seed is in the popup window (it's further down), but, even now running the server seed, and following the steps, I still don't get the right numbers. Here is the one roll I just did:

41bf50522003189e71da1f3907e0c007be4565dae93f3deb8351979b029b4d02

$clientSeed="2208701Y2V29P156VojxCc28tW3LSfzlX0qNxWK6MBsA238IGK7BxWpby6ouMmOoUr9f17TQic16b";
$serverSeed="1482131u78N1q111OgmQ7rApniFrwy4qo4CBDUj4hMT5nbRTFJlgVQqUSaYl5Dd63x7p";
$globalSeedVarchar=$clientSeed.$serverSeed;

from: http://www.webutils.pl/index.php?idx=sha1 (picking sha256 from drop-down menu)

SHA-256: 5c7fed962ad054223251e9c1d8b7d82fcc032ffb8b19777816dc6d04aa5b5d45
SHA-256(Base64): XH/tlirQVCIyUenB2LfYL8wDL/uLGXd4FtxtBKpbXUU=

Note the bottom two numbers don't match the top number which is the server seed.

No, no, and no.  What I said before.  I am not accusing you of anything, I'm trying to learn whether your system is fair.  I program, do you?  You are just cutting and pasting something without understanding any of it.

First off, where is the "not encrypted server seed for the previous draw" shown?  Where?  Give us an example please?  I posted what I scraped from your site above.  Why don't you roll a dice, and show us, step by step, where the "not encrypted server seed for the previous draw" is?  That's important and I respectfully await your answer.

Second, we talked about provably fair but not about your system.  I just got on your site recently.  So this is new information.

Third, name calling will get you nowhere.  Calling me a troll will not work to answer my questions.  I did not say you are a fraud, a crook, a shyster, a con artist, a front runner of your customers.  Yet.  I am trying to figure out whether your site is provably fair.  So prove it.  Thank you Mr. Bikini.

And keep your BTC, I don't want any of it.

Here's my "algo":  take a ruler, print out the chart of BTC price vs time for 2014, line up one end of the ruler at the high peak of the chart and the other end at today's price, and notice how well the intermediate points fall in between (except for the volatile month of October).

Prediction:  Bitcoin will continue to decay.  The 'resistance' seems to be early 2013 or 2012 prices.  That's < 10% of today's price.

Advice: get out. 

You are welcome.

No, and are you serving tricks not treats?  

I played on the bikinidice site with just faucet bitcoins.  I lost a number of times, just betting under 49.5, even bet (i.e., no odds),  in fact, here are my initial string of losses:  L,W,L,L,L,L,W,L,L,L,L,W,W,L   If I was betting real money I'd have lost a lot.

What I think is odd, and maybe dooglas can explain, or somebody that knows how these sites work, is that the server seed kept changing every time (see below) while the client seed stayed the same.  This is the opposite of fair play it seems to me.  If you change the server seed, you can have several server seeds, and pick the one that loses for the customer, and post that one?  Instead, the server seed should stay constant, until the customer requests it change, while the client seeds should also stay constant except for a nouce added each time.

Is this bikindice scheme valid?  That's my question for the board.

Below are some of the rolls that I lost.  Note how the serverSeed is constantly changing while the clientSeed stays the same.

TonyT


$clientSeed="2208701Y2V29P156VojxCc28tW3LSfzlX0qNxWK6MBsA238IGK7BxWpby6ouMmOoUr9f17TQic16b";
$serverSeed="54868631sBtf63t0mYir9c140fdrXWRQ1WUh9qPNdb0UCT1R5bYlLZ1TX6lWhpM3BjjdrLhv6Mj";
$globalSeedVarchar=$clientSeed.$serverSeed;

//

$clientSeed="2208701Y2V29P156VojxCc28tW3LSfzlX0qNxWK6MBsA238IGK7BxWpby6ouMmOoUr9f17TQic16b";
$serverSeed="56154204jv5420r19O9Cc9AWAREE9H68LI2H0UkjE3O0nnRz32JQ99jSTGgBV1DPB1cKBHK3Vydv1cQ";
$globalSeedVarchar=$clientSeed.$serverSeed;

//

$clientSeed="2208701Y2V29P156VojxCc28tW3LSfzlX0qNxWK6MBsA238IGK7BxWpby6ouMmOoUr9f17TQic16b";
$serverSeed="8779504u87qn043E294jU5K556OE27u9RKoOyikM6Yx0ebiy30qoZX1JTLO7l86";
$globalSeedVarchar=$clientSeed.$serverSeed;

//
$clientSeed="2208701Y2V29P156VojxCc28tW3LSfzlX0qNxWK6MBsA238IGK7BxWpby6ouMmOoUr9f17TQic16b";
$serverSeed="6571682m53b98WknFY6o8nsEJl5z4975jK24gRkK11A21Mtt45eWruuguV5gA675zp9li1o";
$globalSeedVarchar=$clientSeed.$serverSeed;

//
$clientSeed="2208701Y2V29P156VojxCc28tW3LSfzlX0qNxWK6MBsA238IGK7BxWpby6ouMmOoUr9f17TQic16b";
$serverSeed="1623536z5g35ROJId87RzpTJ4QYpJkQ11IT6c4qE3n870lzSODdp4t346bhU5nPWmU9";
$globalSeedVarchar=$clientSeed.$serverSeed;

I get the same error in Electrum 1.9.8 with 0.0004 BTC stuck in the wallet.  That's about $0.16 USD and not worth fighting over (I plan to uninstall Electrum).

TonyT

That's strange...under Regions and Asia, this site only had the Philippines listed.  What about Macao?  I hear it's actually bigger in terms of revenue than Las Vegas.  It deserves at least a rating of some sort.

TonyT

It's confidential...  I will say I have no direct experience in the gaming industry, so it was just my opinion.

TonyT

With all your rosy predictions, why should Bitcoin die someday?  How do you know it will die but not in the manner I predict?  My predictions are specific, with reasons given, not vague like your "someday", "somehow" prediction.

It's scary what's happening to BTC.  (un) Happy Halloween!

Don't worry, from what I've seen, the big players are thinking exactly what you are thinking.  I just don't know if they can pull it off. I suspect not.  What attracts the masses, and the users, of Bitcoin is the anonymity factor, which is going away fast. If Bitcoin loses anonymity, it becomes just another PayPal IMO.  Maybe a cheaper PayPal, but essentially another PayPal.

How do you use the bikinidice faucet?  I registered, now what?  I log in and do what?  Help a noob!
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use the faucet,
it's simple...
you know ask for deposits and use them
and do not know how to use a faucet !?
[/quote]

Yes, I do not know how to use the faucet.  Is it easy to explain?  How do you use the faucet?

Is this a reason #8 Elwar?  Since in my original list I don't have "another Mt. Gox happens", but it's a good point.

If it bleeds, it leads...I hear you. But when has Bitcoin had such a sustained (about 8 months or so) price decline?  That has to worry the BTC longs.

Do they allow naked shorts?  I bet not.  Meaning you must put up collateral of some sort, and they will give a margin call if the collateral drops below a certain margin?  Otherwise the exchanges are fools.

How do you use the bikinidice faucet?  I registered, now what?  I log in and do what?  Help a noob!

Here's how Bitcoin becomes extinct, or, like the Coelacanth, becomes very rare.

1) Price continues to drop.  BearWhale comes back and dumps a load, causing fellow whales to dump a load, causing feedback that causes a crash back to the teens

2) Media picks up on 1), says: "BTC dead"

3) Congressmen, like Charles Ellis "Chuck" Schumer, who is a BTC-hater, start zeroing in on more Bitcoin regulation, like Schumer's proposed FinCen stuff.  This might increase if the Republican's lose the Senate in November, or, if bitcoin is linked to the 'war on drugs' it might not matter if the Republicans win or not.

3b) ...FinCen will require each and every Bitcoin user that uses a US-based bitcoin exchange to file paperwork every year if the amount transacted in one year surpasses 10k USD.

4) Due to technical factors like the increasing size of the blockchain, a lot of users will start using online wallets.  This will negate privacy due to 3b)

5) other crypto-coins that have more inflation and more transparency will be seen by corporations as more stable.  

5B) Walmart and others adopt "CircleC": https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/apple-pay-rejected-by-walmart-and-best-buy/   and they specifically reject Bitcoin

6) another major Silk Road bust occurs.  Already Silk-road substitutes are in greater demand and in greater numbers that before (source: http://www.coindesk.com/silk-road-one-year/  ).  This scares Joe and Sally Average into dumping their bitcoin, especially when Schumer attacks bitcoin holders as promoting drug use.  Drug lords switch to DarkCoin or some other cryptocurrency and this snowballs amongst actual users of Bitcoin (as opposed to the buy and hold speculators).

7) A hard fork or some technical glitch (like https://bitcoin.org/en/alert/2013-03-11-chain-fork) knocks out bitcoin, further causing big corporations to distrust it

Anything else?  I'm sure I forgot something...list your FUD and bugaboos here!

It was him and his wife.  Don't leave out his wife.  If I know women (and I have a girlfriend) it's that they are very supportive but also very concerned about money.  I bet dooglas' wife is pushing him to open another site.  Dooglas is being his cautious self.  I did send him an unsolicited PM on which country to be careful in.  I bet Dooglas does not quit while he's ahead, and we'll be seeing him in Act II sometime in the future.  Whether that bodes well for him or not we'll see! I hope it does...

Hey! YOU have got PM bro!  Help me out, send me some bitcoin so I can gamble on your site!  Thank you!