Think what you like if you can't be bothered to read, quote, or 'accept' what has been told because 'it isn't in a way you find understandable'. No one other than you said there are no risks on part of both parties

Squeal 'fiction' all you want if you can't reason with facts.

It's obvious you are just desperate to get the last word in with inane excuses after piping up with your mouth carelessly in other people's business

BWAHAHAHAHA I can't believe how clueless this fool is.

'If you want me to admit that you are right then you need to explain them in a way that I understand'


And that, ladies and gentleman, is why we can't have good things.

Scroll up, read, and come back to bitch again with something other than 'but that's just fiction' or something weak

In all seriousness you'd think that kids these days lost all touch with anything remotely resembling dignity or backbone. This one just spreads its legs wider and wider LOL

LOL now you got the mouth to say what others can and cannot do, or know or do not know. What 'facts' do you have other than disregarding a clearly stated risk that is present for the borrower and solely focusing on the risks of the lender at the expense of the other party? You certainly didn't do more then scream 'fiction' when presented with only few of those cases.

This bitch just keeping running itself deeper and deeper into its grave

We do have a number of cheeky 'smart' fools getting mouthy. Good to know

'Closed' LOL Of course. Feel free to bitch and moan as you like. I'd consider your 'comments' all part of your bitch routine until you can get some semblance of proper manners together or better understand your place.


Wait, you mean if a lender or a borrower profits, or has a potential to profit, from the arrangement, that's a 'scam'?

Just because every borrower seem to bend over backwards for their 'customers' doesn't mean the arrangement is anywhere near 'fair'. Now, I want to hear exactly how your entitled attitude can explain what 'fairness' means when you actually believe real risks presented on my end are 'fiction', while risks with slightly less possibility on the side of the borrower is 'paramount priority and if you don't cut slack for them you are a scammer'.

Can you be any more of a whiny little bitch masquerading with your 'criticisms'? The only reason you are sticking around to bitch and moan is because you carelessly forgot your place, stuck your nose where it didn't belong and got called out on it, and is now trying to make up for all of it with that mouth of yours

You just sound more and more delusional with every post you have here. Ask my past loaners in every occasion if they were 'scammed' by being paid back in full with interest every time they lent me money

Of course I can't trust anyone with 'secondstrade' -190% return on their name.


Please, if you are so interested in bitching and moaning for argument's sake, at least have the fucking dignity and balls to say it straight and direct.

Don't be a bitch, eh?

The only sensible post in a long time

It's the beginning of 2015. Good things can only come to those who take part.

I will say there have been others who gave legitimate feedbacks, both here and via pm, and of course I welcomed them. However, anyone can see that this is merely a play at making arguments for its own sake, after carelessly making inane accusations, nothing more. The only shame is that this fool can't take what he's trying to dish out.

I take into account serious feedbacks, not some half baked attempts at legitimatizing their own uppity behavior by masking it with 'criticisms'.

If that is unfavorable to you, then I hope you see that the other party isn't really interested in anything but argument for its own sakes, as is clear to anyone.


And no, I don't need this bitch's money for anything, nor do I have any intention to accept them.

Happy to see that you want to be spoon fed every aspect of the deal. Let's me demand that you pay out double the btc for this loan, just for you, accounting for the highly likely drop to sub 100 this coming few months

How are you going to make up for your obvious profiteering attitude when the largest, 'steadiest' crypto market that I am loaning and collateralizing for has steadily fallen despite every support to the contrary?

Weighing the objective sum of the facts, I would much rather you and you alone are obligated to pay out double if you ever hope to gather any interest on loans you make


What a bitch this one hahaha

'just to be clear, can I shut out all other situations and bitch about how i want to get the last word in with selective lies?'

Trust me, you can sell off entire 6.4 btc in the collateral market with appropriate volume given time

Anyone can take the markets either way - and you apparently can't keep your mouth from running against your benefit

You never answered any of my points and just switch topics - and we haven't even gotten to how you never responded about you forgetting your place and criticizing people you are inferior to.

LOL

If you want to manipulate and play around with collaterals according to what you want, then I suggest you get your 190% return business going better.

Maybe you need to look at the entire market and suggest why anyone cannot dispose of their 'shitcoins' (by someone who has far greater merit then some mouthy fools like you no less) when things can go either way in the books

Anyone can see clearly you are moaning and squealing where nothing is your business, but that's par the course that you mouth off for the sake of doing so


Feel free to put money where your mouth is if you can do anything about it

Good on you that my terms are not acceptable, and that you can only bitch and use semantics

'If the collateral were to be exchanged for bitcoin prior to you defaulting then the lender would not have a problem because they are still protected. There is no logical reason why any lender would object to you not selling your shitcoin.'

Maybe I would never suggest that an escrow buy or sell a collateral that is supposed to, collateralize my loan?

If I have not stated it in the OP, then maybe it's not something you should presume to 'need to be there'. How about 'it's not there, and thus isn't part of the agreement'?

Interesting real risks are 'created' and my own risks are 'at the expense of legitimacy' LOL

Apparently your 'logic' is a joke that revolves around trying to bitch at others


Your position is noted, and your bitching and moaning about what you think you can get mouthy about, is also noted

Let half the forum cry and whine as they watch the one who best represents themselves getting a good dose of reality

Because I have ever asked the escrow to sell the collateral that's not even in my possession. Because I can ever make such a request when something is bound with a loan.

Because such a term is there in the OP (no, it isn't).

What, now every escrow myself and my lending party agrees on is somehow in my own pocket?

I like how you make up scenarios that doesn't exist with anyone and pretend it's a real story

I also like how you don't understand what a 'risk' is when you have been told what it means numerous times.

Go whine for dread pirate roberts or something you seem to think on the same wavelength.


Post modern college education seems effective at turning out kids who forget their place.

This bitch LOL

And now, we have a standard textbook example of 'mah rights' LOL

Typical entitled bitch who thinks they can define 'fair' 'balanced' 'valid' or best of them all, 'criticism'.


You may realize there are others giving feedbacks here whose words are well accepted over your own - particularly ones that do not presume to define these words based on their own pathetically transparent biases and spoiled attitude.

Did you just recently get out of college or something I did noticed kids these days have this kind of ridiculous mouth and thinks they are being 'critical thinkers'.

'Fair' in your terms is closely related with 'how much money I can make securely at the expense of the other side's slim benefit'. It's amusing to see how little you understand your arguments amount to just a bitchy whining trying to attain a better deal on your own terms, and your terms only

It's also amusing how you think forfeiture of potential profits and risk possibility of lender messing with the collateral market alone doesn't constitute a risk for the borrower who is giving out the collateral. That's only couple of numerous ways in which the collateral offering party is at risk. Maybe you don't understand the risk of borrowing with BTC when the last week or two alone have proven its value can tank very hard, very fast.
Maybe you haven't thought everything through before bitching and moaning in something which you are clearly not qualified to voice your 'opinions' about.

Of course you are way in over your head after leaving a half baked comment because internet forums allow any half wit bitch to voice his 'opinions' as if it is a 'valid criticism'. You also do not understand this does not shield you from being called out on your mouth when someone cares about their business enough to respond.

Of course, the fact that I made an open thread that isn't self-moderated makes you think you can get mouthy everywhere LOL

I see feedbacks, and then I see ones who just mouths off when they are clearly out of their place. and in over your head. Like you

If you get the message, then scram.

I am very interested to know that jr.member with 'secondstrade' talking about 190% return and has an anonymous face can mouth off about what is a 'scam' or not, especially about a project where a developer has a public profile and is involved professionally with real money LOL

If you are trying to bitch, then get yourself a public profile and state your case.

If you find terms of a deal you are not even a part of to be disadvantageous to you, then feel free to keep your mouth where it belongs


Maybe you just wander around and stick your nose in a place where it doesn't belong, just to get mouthy on an internet forums. You have provided plenty of proof to that regard, and of course, no history of fair dealing on your part in anyway in the past either

Getting attitude out lol this bitch

I'd suggest you want a little attitude change done to you as well?

Don't worry, all 'suckers' have happily been paid back in full, as is the case with any agreement I make. I'd suggest you watch that mouth of yours if you can't back it up with something straight forward and decent on your own


Best you scram and bother another thread with your attitude if you have that much time to waste getting mouthy with little to back it up with.

I suppose you have nothing but semantics to turn to now that it's obvious you are just asking for better terms, not about discussing whether the loan is legitimate or not. You have poorly started an argument just because you found the terms to be not entirely in your profit

Every single loan offer I made in the past was as simple as they were stated, and never were there any conditions other than 'liquidation upon lack of payment by maturity date'. If a client asked for additional collateral due to market depression, such were discussed with the escrow on a case by case basis. I never used an escrow for trading in my place - and I find it amusing you think 'well this nets you more benefits' when you can't even comprehend if someone might just never have any intention of selling his collateral himself if he held it.

Not to mention, you are also questioning and presuming to know what others would do or prefer in this deal. The terms are greater then those I completed successfully before


Everything you are questioning is a matter of preference, none of which I practiced before. The terms are there, and it's not your place to question a validity of a loan off and keep dragging yourself across the floor on my ankle because you carelessly offered some 'why you no give me best deal and screw your own terms' kind of 'opinion'.

Lastly, are you really trying to mouth off about the last sentence there about 'free money'? Try not to be too transparent about just dragging this out for the sake of bitching eh?

You obviously can't take anything you try to dish out - it's obvious you have nothing to question about the terms, only that you don't like it being not completely to your advantage. If so, you are welcome to suggest as much in other loan threads.

Your complaints are noted by all who are reading this thread

Anyone who says 30% interest is 'small' when the maturity term is less than 5 months certainly has no business discussing this. Obviously you are being just greedy to the point of ridicule now.

You also have no idea what using an escrow means in this situation. 'Direct them to sell'? 'Good for the lender'? Escrow does not deal in collaterals to buy and sell for the lender or the borrower. Collateral is released to the lender in the event I do not follow through with my side of the deal, and I likewise must follow through and repay the entire loan amount plus interest before I receive back my collateral. Otherwise, the collateral is held and locked down for the duration of the deal. That's the WHOLE POINT of the escrow. Most change or 'request' we would agree on is if I were to be required to add a bit extra on to the existing collateral in case the monthly avg. falls well below the borrowed value.

Do you not understand the basics of these deals, or are you just making up scenarios when you don't understand how a collateral works?

Your post sounds delusional and ignorant at best. If you want to mess around the forums, there are plenty of threads on the first page that are obvious for anyone to see. Unfortunately for you, there is no free money to be had in this offer for either side.

Aside from a rather large interest rate offer to the lender that is.

Did you read the OP at all? Did you miss the bit about interest rates that are paid out every 30 days and amount to 30% of the entire principle by the end of the maturity period? I am already agreeing to pay more then what I have in terms of the value of the collateral if you missed that basic term of a loan offering.

Escrowed deal. As in, I have no control over collateral aside from terms with agree on when the time period begin and escrow receives the collaterals.

Escrow would be someone we both agree on, and all communications will be cc'd with respective parties. Who the hell would choose an escrow if he cannot be held accountable?

Interest is continuous paid out every 30 days - considering the quickness and volatility of the crypto markets, your argument can cut both ways.

Just what the hell are you talking about 'nothing to stop me from selling'? I don't think you know what you are arguing about. That's the whole point of an escrow - a trusted 3rd party member we both agree on and has control over the funds during the duration of the deal period under terms we both agree on.