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为什么说楼主幼稚呢
A、代理商需买入BTC，如何处理持有BTC的汇率风险。
B、我从中国汇5000万人民币到美国，中国交易所买5000万元币，美国交易所砸5000万元币，如何处理产生的差价损失。
C、系统运行后，必然长期出现一国向另一国的净顺差/逆差，当所有代理商向某个方向的资金用完时，如何处理。
D、在长期净顺差/逆差情况下，有外汇管制的国度（比如中国），你考虑过最后交易所里的“币价汇率（人民币币价/美元币价）” 会变成什么样么？
要仔细看我们主帖和相关回复尤其55楼，其实已经写得很清楚了，只是你心里全是浮躁，没仔细看，甚至连正反馈和中美交易所价差的关系都没搞清楚啊。正反馈和中美交易所价差没有直接关系，正反馈会导致的是全球币价上涨，市值增高，并导致出现更多的杀手应用。导致中美交易所价格趋同，甚至全球价格趋同的是币价的内生稳定机制（主贴内容里最后部分的第7条）。你的这种浮躁甚至从你的这几行字里都能清楚感受到，本不想再多说什么的，想想自己当年也是这么过来的，就再多说几句吧，再不懂我也没办法了。
A 在55楼里已经很清楚写了，支付公司哪怕进行1亿个周期操作，从开始到最后支付公司手里依旧只持有12个比特币，但银行账户里可能已经赚了几千亿了。而且更重要的是，无论btc涨也好跌也好，都不妨碍支付公司继续通过这12个btc操作，继续进行以后N个周期的操作，继续赚钱，只要全球国际贸易不中断，就可以继续操作，继续赚钱，除非有更高明的技术出来，而且这个技术可以抵消这个系统的先行市场优势，否则哪怕100万年以后，支付公司依旧可以继续靠这12个比特币操作下一个周期，继续赚钱，懂了吗？
而要抵消这个系统的先行市场优势谈何容易，因为时间上已经是秒发秒收，而且是直接到银行账户，每单的收费这里已经做到百分之2以内，小额支付，费率低到这种程度，其实用户对再降低费率已经不那么敏感了，这个系统是靠2%的费率，秒发秒收，直达银行账户来抵消支付宝，paypal的先行市场优势，你靠什么来抵消这个系统的先行市场优势？
B 搞大额支付，这是抢银行饭碗的懂不？搞这个是会出大事情的知道不，而与此同时，银行对于小额多笔的跨境支付从来都没有办法处理好，单笔成本太高，因此只能眼睁睁看着paypal和支付宝赚钱，干瞪眼没办法，但现在就不同了，银行如果和这个清算系统合作，你不妨比较一下在2000美元以下的小额跨境支付里，paypal 支付宝，银行电汇以及这个清算系统，哪个更有优势，尤其如果和银行合作的话。
C 双向操作。
D 目标市场是跨境电商支付，和小额跨境汇款，在跨境电商发展到相当程度以前，这种小额支付的总额跟整个国际外汇市场比，连零头都零头都不算，现在就去考虑其对整个国际金融市场的影响力，太早了，真不如先考虑一下将来找几个生活秘书更现实。
你说的某代理商持有13个BTC，BTC如果暴跌30%，代理商在汇率上的损失，远大于赚到的一点手续费，你怎么处理？
B、现在承认你的YY系统不能处理大额汇款了？
不要说5000w，就是50w你敢处理吗？
50w你要秒到账，那只能用市价买单，即使在Okcoin，50w市价买单也会把盘口价推高5-10元。
国外交易所流动性（成交量）低于Okcoin，砸50w市价卖单，更会把盘口价砸掉10-30元。
由此产生的差价损失（15~40元），谁来承担？
好，你继续退，说50w的汇款也不能处理，只能处理更小屁孩额的汇款或支付。
那由于某些商业事件（比如XX促销），短时间内出现单方向大量的汇款或支付，导致两边交易市场出现差价损失，谁来承担？
B2、另外，谁告诉你银行对于小额多笔的跨境支付从来都没有办法处理好的？
谁告诉你跨境支付和银行电汇是一回事？
你以为银行和你小屁孩一样傻吗？
没用信用卡跨国支付过吗？
消费者用信用卡跨国支付用的好好的，又安全又快费率又低，干嘛要用你这时运行时停的YY系统？
C、谁告诉会有平衡的双向汇款了？还双向操作？笑话
国际汇款，长期必定是A国净流入B国，或B国净流入A国。
也就是你所谓的A状态到B状态资金用完后，还有一堆单子没法完成，而B状态到A状态的单子不够，你怎么处理？
D、看看，看看，屁实际经验都没有，谁和你讨论整个国际外汇市场了？
我问的是长期单向的顺差或逆差汇款，对BTC交易所里的“币价汇率“（人民币币价/美元币价）的影响。
连这也不懂？还有脸来讨论？
小屁孩知道中国和美国交易市场BTC价格为什么会一致吗？
是搬砖党看哪边高了搬砖填平知道吗？
为何有时搬砖党会填不平知道吗？
为何官方汇率6.2时，币价汇率会长达几天维持6.3甚至6.4知道吗？
中国官方汇率和黑市汇率不一样知道吗？ |
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估计楼主会不服气，那我就随便举几个个初步问题
A、代理商需买入BTC，如何处理持有BTC的汇率风险。
B、我从中国汇5000万人民币到美国，中国交易所买5000万元币，美国交易所砸5000万元币，产生的差价怎么办。
C、系统运行后，必然长期出现一国向另一国的净顺差/逆差，所有代理商向某个方向的资金用完了怎么办。
D、在长期净顺差/逆差情况下，有外汇管制的国度（比如中国），你考虑过最后交易所里的“币价汇率（人民币币价/美元币价）” 会变成什么样么？
对的，这些都是主要问题，持有BTC的风险应该可以靠期货解决掉 5000万的大额好像不适用这个系统，一旦太大，无解，除非正好有笔对等的大额来对冲 现在没有期货能对冲持有BTC的分析，或者换句话说，现在开期货的Okcoin 796等都只是赌场，没法用于套期保值。 原因很简单，系统亏损。 在BTC市值没有*100倍前，系统亏损不可能消除，也不可能出现能套期保值的期货。 5000万只是举个例子，刚看了眼Okcoin，就算50w的市价单都能砸掉5~10块的盘口价，美国交易所就更不用说了。 |
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为什么说楼主幼稚呢
A、把实际问题简单纯理论化，比如认为有正反馈，中国和美国交易所就不会有价差。
B、连中国交易所，美国交易所有没交易费，这种最基础的问题都没搞清楚。
估计楼主会不服气，随便举几个个初步问题
A、代理商需买入BTC，如何处理持有BTC的汇率风险。
B、我从中国汇5000万人民币到美国，中国交易所买5000万元币，美国交易所砸5000万元币，如何处理产生的差价损失。
C、系统运行后，必然长期出现一国向另一国的净顺差/逆差，当所有代理商向某个方向的资金用完时，如何处理。
D、在长期净顺差/逆差情况下，有外汇管制的国度（比如中国），你考虑过最后交易所里的“币价汇率（人民币币价/美元币价）” 会变成什么样么？
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1、楼主充满纸上谈兵式的幼稚，从前到后，从上到下充满着一堆一堆的漏洞。
2、为什么这么说？因为我实际用BTC帮人汇过几百万元。
3、建议楼主先去了解现在地下钱庄怎么做的，再来夸夸其谈你的这套YY系统
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They were asking for privacy so their username was hidden from user lists. This is the only modification that was made for them. Why is the 20GH/s whale the only one who is able to mine during this ddos attack? Everyone else's hashrate reports 0, but his hashrate is seemingly unaffected: http://www.clevermining.com/users/1BT9cPLGRep7nXnvo9JoXn6H7sSd5Em2WEThe pool's current hashrate matches his hashrate exactly. You previously said that the only modification made for him was removing his username from the user lists. Does he also have access to his own clevermining server? Does he pay a lower fee than all of us too? Are the rest of the miners here subsidizing him in any way?  I pay the server fee(about $1600) and invited Terk to set up a China server to get a lower rej% 1% rej of 20G is much more then server fee.  If you need to set up a server and you can pay the server fee, I think Terk would be pleased to help you  |
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Why when my Withdrawal
It says
Oops! Sorry!
Error: Insufficient funds ?
From 0:00am to 5:30am, there is still Insufficient funds
Anyone know why?
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GHash.IO is back under 25GH/s now, and back to a 2x multiplier.
After watching the reward multiplier for a bit, this is definite:
- GHash.IO uses PPLNS where N covers the last 10 shifts.
- Reward multiplier is determined by the pool's average speed during the PREVIOUS round.
So, possibly a good strategy right now (until they change the rules again):
- Throw all of our WafflePool's hashing power at GHash for brief periods; rack up the share percentage in one round, and then cut everything when they switch rounds again.
- If we did this for one shift every 5 or 10 shifts, we could possibly get paid out at 2x for the majority of rounds (as long as nobody else starts doing this).
<edited for clarity, with new information regarding rounds>
It's too dangerous. They are man, no coin. Anyway, GHash will overtake 25G forever in a few hours. I was only 1G left in it. When "Current multiplier"=x2, profit is 145%, not 200%(less block then expect) So when "Current multiplier"=x1.25, profit will be 90.63% |
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The top miner currently provides 6.10 GH/s... This clearly seems to be a botnet. I know that this give you a lot of coins, but nevertheless - most pools try to lock out botnets, because it's not only a crime, but also a huge waste of energy.
We are a large ASIC + GPU farm, no botnets. If botnets, Hashrate will up and down when people turn on and shut down they computer. But we Hashrate is stable |
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Hi,
Can somebody please PM me that has contacts with these people. We are very interested. Currently we have a pilot running with 80 GPU servers. We want to expand bigtime.
Thanks.
That's what you call a pilot?  Pilot is 1.2TH Scrypt mining lab. Maybe 50000 of these chips with 1/40 of the GPU powertake. This Scrypt Hashpower would translate to around what 2000 AMD GPU cards.. with powertake +300kwh.. Just rough numbers i could assume wrong. but hey i would wanna see that 2000 GPU farm http://middlecoin2.s3-website-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/reports/1M3jtksp1upR33SX1VzeCfH5x9fc6zKykR.html  GC3355 is on public sale. At BeiJing time 2014-1-14 18:00PM. Mail 1 day after pay. one USB Machine = 360K LTC + 10G BTC (when only mining LTC is 7w, both mining LTC & BTC is 60w) http://cybtc.com/thread-4792-1-1.htmlGod bless LTC |
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What's more likely? a dude from china who made a botnet that infected a bunch of people, or a guy has a secret underground chip for hundreds of thousands in investment, that still is less than impressive for altcoin mining? lol
Sorry, no botnet, botnet Hashrate will up and down by daily people sleep and get up. |
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Also, the chart showed over 140BTC and only 107 were paid out.
On what day was that? Was the 140BTC just the red line, does it include the top of the blue area? Did you get 107BTC by tallying the difference in the payout column over two consecutive days somehow? Yesterday. This was the transaction for the payments yesterday: http://blockchain.info/tx/ff4c959f19aa5bcee0c7b2893f72ad9cb97c35e0e73c0ff7ceb135ec1fc4672cIf you look at the chart for yesterday, it's over 140 BTC, but the chart cuts out at ~150... so I'm not sure exactly how much were in the balance. This does NOT include unexchanged/immature BTC. As for the 90+ BTC that was part of the "refund transaction" they were never re-added to the pool's balance, which means h2o is hanging on to those for himself? At the time it was calculated to be $81,000+ Currently it's $91,000+... I don't want to accuse h2o of stealing, but these are questions that should be answered. 1、if you have address A with 100BTC, and you pay address B 10BTC, then 100BTC with take out from address A, and divided into two, 10BTC to address B, 90BTC to address C(your new address) 2、Many address balance <0.01 BTC will not be pay, until 7 days balance > 0.001 BTC See middlecoin.com homepage |
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thank you for this! most significant piece of info i've read in a week on the forum. found some more info if anyone's interested. http://www.cybtc.com/article-468-1.htmli've been waiting for a third party to get at these newer generation ASICs; not vaporware anymore! can't wait to get rid of all these video cards (: It's almost been a month. Many Chinese people can read English. But few US and EU people can read Chinese. -_-b could ya tell us what is it? and how much cost to have one? It is so superprofit that not for public sell yet……You know…… |
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it's simple
if you believe you'll get better results with some other mining scheme, use it
if you find the performance acceptable, point hashes at middlecoin and mine away
bickering on a forum about shit that cannot be proven--and has zero influence on results--is useless noise
if h2o's motivation to work on the pool hasn't been eaten away by you fucking retards, it surely will be
Well, that is hardly likely  He DOES earn more than most people on this pool so a little criticism he will surely be able to take and live with... However, people like Tealover does try to harm H20 and without the slightest trace of proof it is, in my opinion, a crime - slander. Tealover is now IGNORED (thanks for pointing out the option, it will make me feel so much better). You're saying there is no proof, but I have asked very specific questions and I have gotten no response. Like what happened with the 90+ BTC that was refunded? It wasn't put back in the pool. Also, the chart showed over 140BTC and only 107 were paid out. I'd like to know the answers to these questions. 1、if you have address A with 100BTC, and you pay address B 10BTC, then 100BTC with take out from address A, and divided into two, 10BTC to address B, 90BTC to address C(your new address) 2、Many address balance <0.01 BTC will not be pay, until 7 days balance > 0.001 BTC See middlecoin.com homepage |
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at $65 for 60khash, that's horrible lol
Power consumption is awesome, but overall price for hash is nothing special at all.
Thank god.
My thoughts exactly, doesn't look like too threatening for us GPU scrypt miners. $65 is for the first 50 test chip…… Not RTM price |
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thank you for this! most significant piece of info i've read in a week on the forum. found some more info if anyone's interested. http://www.cybtc.com/article-468-1.htmli've been waiting for a third party to get at these newer generation ASICs; not vaporware anymore! can't wait to get rid of all these video cards (: It's almost been a month. Many Chinese people can read English. But few US and EU people can read Chinese. -_-b |
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This address is a bit suspect for me, each time visit middlecoins www he have more Mh I think that only using at least 400-450 units of HD 7990 you can reach that hashing power. He is for sure working in the factory and each day after work he takes one with him through the backdoor  500 MH/s is equal to 660 R9 280x's at 750k each. no PC   |
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H2O claims this pool is his full time job + 2 employees he has...but he rarely ever posts.
Now this guy with 500 MHash is leaving the pool because it is making less than straight mining Litecoin. He knows whats up!
I trust h2o, today is special, Hight profit of hight risks. h20 can't control the price of BTC LTC and altcoin. I agree with you. But the pool is mining Litecoin and still making less than if you guys mined Litecoin yourself or in a different pool. Yes, it is a little less then 0.2988 LTC/day. but do not forget 3% fee and 0.4% exchange fee. If mining other altcoin, It probably even less than LTC(0.2988 LTC/day) when LTC price quick rising. Mining and exchange need time. |
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H2O claims this pool is his full time job + 2 employees he has...but he rarely ever posts.
Now this guy with 500 MHash is leaving the pool because it is making less than straight mining Litecoin. He knows whats up!
I trust h2o, today is special, Hight profit of hight risks. h20 can't control the price of BTC LTC and altcoin. |
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