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21  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Venezuela and Palestina agreed to start a binational bank with El Petro on: May 10, 2018, 05:11:20 PM
They are trying to create an alternative trading currency.
They are the countries most affected by embargo and IMF. It's just a start from the two. Soon we will be seeing many such regional projects to make the financial world free from the dictatorship of IMF.

Actually, as far as I know, Iran, Argentina, Russia are planning to launch similar projects, so you are right
22  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dictators using blockchain - threat to democracy? on: May 09, 2018, 09:53:05 PM
Digital coins, altcoins, and blockchain technology is the future in financial transactions. The fact that they use it, doesn't mean that they are visionaries. They would like probably to avoid the economic exclusion, as Venezuela did with El Pedro or as the bank institutions would say, to laundry money. Venezuela is a big oil producer, but due to the embargo can't sell it. Cryptocurrencies could be a resource.


For Venezuelan leader Maduro El Petro is just an instrument to overcome sanctions, too bad that this might be a factor which contributes to his political position.
23  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Venezuela and Palestina agreed to start a binational bank with El Petro on: May 08, 2018, 02:56:09 PM
https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Venezuela-and-Palestine-Start-Bi-National-Bank-With-Petros-20180507-0019.html

In my opinion, it is just another Maduro’s desperate attempt to artificially increase usability of El Petro
24  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Venezuelan President: Petro Cryptocurrency Earned $5 Billion During Pre-Sale on: May 07, 2018, 11:57:04 AM
The president of Venezuela, Nicolas Maduro said Petro cryptocurrency had raised $5 billion during Pre-ICO. He also noted that this cryptocurrency had strengthened the country’s international reserves.
Read more here: Petro Cryptocurrency

This numbers are complete speculation. El Petro actually got 338$ million from pre sale.
https://www.telesurtv.net/news/presidente-maduro-anuncios-economia-petro-venezuela-20180426-0042.html
25  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-SALE][ICO] Petro $PTR - Oil backed crypto currency launched by Venezuela on: May 05, 2018, 11:37:21 AM
He also said - on April 26 - that he decided to give 1 billion to the central bank to increase the international reserves "immediately, tomorrow at the first hour". International reserves 26 of April: 9,874 million USD, on 2nd of May 9,920 million, difference 46 million. One possible explanation: They just don't have received the 1.6 billion USD in cash, he boasted about.

Venezuela has not received a single dollar (and certainly zero euros) from the ICO. A large part of the investments were in crypto, the rest in rubles. Therefore the process of dealing with that money is way more complex. You won't find it on the website for some time.

We all know that following US and EU sanctions, the only banks Venezuela could use were Russian or Chinese, so the ICO did not accept de facto anything apart from rubles and crypto.

The reality is that doing an ICO under financial sanctions and media blockade is a huge challenge, almost impossible. The goal of the illegal sanctions is to starve the nation and make any recovery impossible. The Petro ICO will take time. Venezuela is fighting a war.


Actually, Spanish sources say that Venezuelan government has already started the distribution of money from El Petro pre-sale, one billion to the Central bank, one billion to Dicom, 500 million dollars spent on development of economic zone, 500 millions on supplies.
http://www.elmundo.com.ve/noticias/...nes-alimentos-materia-prima-traves-del-petro/
http://bitcoinist.com/central-bank-venezuela-1-billion-petro-sale/
http://www.elinformador.com.ve/2018...en-petro-para-la-zona-comercial-de-paraguana/
https://m.aporrea.org/economia/n324304.html
Ok, they are lying to us and we should not trust this information, right? That opacity again...
26  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Report Claims Putin Aided Maduro in Creating Venezuela’s Crypto, Petro on: May 04, 2018, 09:29:12 AM
A Time investigation into the development of Venezuela’s state-backed cryptocurrency, petro, revealed strong anecdotal and circumstantial evidence connecting Russia to its launch. At least two Russians with ties to Vladimir Putin were present at petro’s unveiling, complete with the Venezuelan president’s thanks. Analysts are claiming the South American country is Mr. Putin’s crypto guinea pig as the two nations try to find innovative ways around US sanctions.

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Report Claims Putin and Maduro Teamed to Launch Petro
Time online is referring to Tuesday’s official sale of petro as “a half-hidden joint venture between Venezuelan and Russian officials and businessmen, whose aim was to erode the power of U.S. sanctions,” finding “Moscow’s fingerprints all over the creation of the petro.”

Such revelations come at an interesting time for all three countries. In the US, the present administration has been accused of being too close to re-elected Russian President Putin. Mr. Putin is under international pressure for alleged acts of assassination on foreign shores along with meddling in elections abroad. Venezuela has long been a client state of Russia, and has equally been the object of scorn for several US administrations. The three were tied together, somewhat unknowingly (on the US side at least) by President Trump’s recent Executive Order forbidding formal participation in the petro. 



And truth be told it is Russia who would rather tread lightly at this point. Indeed, as Mr. Putin’s economic advisor, Igor Shuvalov, explained, “For Russia, it’s too dangerous. If we say that the only reason we do it is to avoid U.S. sanctions, then the United States is definitely going to be displeased about it. Venezuela has nothing to lose. For them it’s the only chance.” The Venezuelan economy is the daily subject of press accounts, documenting economic horrors.

So it might have seemed somewhat brazen to have no fewer than two Russian nationals connected front and center at petro’s media scrum launch last month. Denis Druzhkov and Fyodor Bogorodsky were thanked publicly by Mr. Maduro, and Mr. Bogorodsky stands at the one hour and eight minute mark to give a congratulatory speech in Russian (see video inset).

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The two men were initially identified as representatives of a shadowy company, Aerotrading, which claims blockchain specialty. Within days of the presser, presumably to establish the company’s legitimacy, a sudden website and Twitter account were set up. Of the two men, Mr. Bogorodsky was the only to comment publicly.

Mr. Druzhkov is well connected to a Russian billionaire, while Mr. Bogorodsky is a former banking executive living in South America. The report describes him as having “close business ties with Russia and other former Soviet states.” It appears he’s been involved with petro since its inception late last year. Mr. Bogorodsky stresses, “Russia has been moving in this direction for a while now, trying to draft laws to regulate cryptocurrencies.” Venezuela’s pace has evidently been much quicker. Dismissing potential US concerns, he laughs, “Any citizen of the world can do what he wants. We offer freedom of choice. So I think there will be lots of investors, big and small, from all over the world.”

Report Claims Putin Aided Maduro in Creating Venezuela’s Crypto, Petro

According to an anonymous “executive at a Russian state bank who deals with cryptocurrencies, senior advisers to the Kremlin have overseen the effort in Venezuela, and President Vladimir Putin signed off on it last year. ‘People close to Putin, they told him this is how to avoid the sanctions,’ says the executive. ‘This is how the whole thing started,’” the report explained. Russia is insisting it had nothing to do with the petro’s creation.

State apparatchiks, on the other hand, have made plenty of statements about US financial sanctions. The head of Russia’s second largest bank, VTB, Andrei Kostin spoke openly recently about how “The reign of the dollar must end. This whip that the Americans use in the form of the dollar would then, to a great extent, not have such a serious impact on the global financial system.”

US regulators are quoted as not being too worried about petro nor the possibility of a crypto-ruble. It is hard to say if state-backed cryptocurrencies could ultimately work. Such ideas have always suffered from violating key tenants of crypto: censorship resistance and decentralization. By definition, state-backed currencies violate both.

https://news.bitcoin.com/report-claims-putin-aided-maduro-in-creating-venezuelas-crypto-petro/?utm_source=OneSignal%20Push&utm_medium=notification&utm_campaign=Push%20Notifications

Heard that Russian blockchain system NEM is also involved in the development of El Petro, Michael Granin in particular, a Russian man somewhere from Ural. It is obvious that they have strong connection to the government
27  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you think Bitcoin can ruin a Country? on: May 03, 2018, 10:20:30 PM
Well, I guess that bitcoin actually can ruin the country, if it becomes an official currency on the government level.Well, let’s see what happens to El Petro. Although now it’s save and sound, in the future cryptocurrency backed by oil might become a real threat
Dude, you're mixing up two concepts: cryptocurrency and Bitcoin. I think Bitcoin is decent and if used properly can work for public good but when it comes to crypto currency like El Petro ... I mean, Venezuelan government has to make other countries adopt it too. Like they do to India. Otherwise it fails
Venezuela doesn't make India adopt El Petro. They basically blackmail them and say they will give them 30% discount on crude oil if India pays in petros. Check it out here http://runrun.es/la-economia/346999/venezuela-ofrece-a-india-petroleo-con-30-de-descuento-solo-si-paga-en-petro.html
28  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you think Bitcoin can ruin a Country? on: May 01, 2018, 09:13:01 PM
Well, I guess that bitcoin actually can ruin the country, if it becomes an official currency on the government level.Well, let’s see what happens to El Petro. Although now it’s save and sound, in the future cryptocurrency backed by oil might become a real threat
29  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-SALE][ICO] Petro $PTR - Oil backed crypto currency launched by Venezuela on: April 30, 2018, 06:06:37 PM
Venezuelan government has already started the distribution of money from El Petro pre-sale, one billion to the Central bank, one billion to Dicom, 500 million dollars spent on development of economic zone, 500 millions on supplies.
http://www.elmundo.com.ve/noticias/economia/mercados/venezuela-pago-700-millones-alimentos-materia-prima-traves-del-petro/
http://bitcoinist.com/central-bank-venezuela-1-billion-petro-sale/
http://www.elinformador.com.ve/2018/04/28/maduro-entregara-500-de-dolares-en-petro-para-la-zona-comercial-de-paraguana/
https://m.aporrea.org/economia/n324304.html
Those are on Spanish, but I gues yall can press translate button, right?
30  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-SALE][ICO] Petro $PTR - Oil backed crypto currency launched by Venezuela on: April 27, 2018, 06:41:53 PM
The main problem with El Petro is that it was issued by corrupted and rogue government as a way to overcome sanctions and fortify Maduro’s position on elections in May.

Corrupted? Why? Do you know something about Venezuela that make you say that?
Rogue? Why? An elected government is rogue in your country? So you live in a dictatorship, I assume.

Information is key, if we believe anything we see on mainstream media (that by the way reflects only the interests of some elites and governments), we can consider ourselves manipulated or idiots...

In other words: you have no idea, so you just repeat the 2-neurons BS you read on mainstream propaganda.


That is my assumption based on information I get in a variety of sources, not specifically mainstream. Do you deny that political situation in Venezuela is unstable right now? Have you ever read anything apart from crypto news, genius? Don’t you get a strange feeling that Maduro’s administration is fooling you? Just take a look at pre-sale figures posted above:)
31  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-SALE][ICO] Petro $PTR - Oil backed crypto currency launched by Venezuela on: April 27, 2018, 05:42:51 AM
State-issued altcoin? I don't know about that, I've read that Venezuelan government has been flip-flopping on Petro for a while now, many people loss their faith in this coin due to the rampant corruption in Venezuela, I honestly don't know what to think.





In my humble opinion there is nothing wrong with state-issued coin, simply because there are different examples of other cryptocurrencies that were issued by states and even cities(for example, Seoul). The main problem with El Petro is that it was issued by corrupted and rogue government as a way to overcome sanctions and fortify Maduro’s position on elections in May.
32  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you think Bitcoin can ruin a Country? on: April 26, 2018, 12:53:14 PM
It depends on what the cryptocurrency is backed by when it becomes commonly used. For example, if we take the case of El petro, it for sure can add to economic crisis Venezuela is already suffering from. But Bitcoin? I don't think Bitcoin can

As analysts say, The idea of El Petro being Venezuela’s way to overcome sanctions is likely to fail, however, some of them assume that it might work if there is one more country’s support. From what I can see now El Petro won’t help the government and might become a huge upset for its investors
33  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-SALE][ICO] Petro $PTR - Oil backed crypto currency launched by Venezuela on: April 25, 2018, 09:42:43 AM
Who can briefly explain how “backing by oil assets” mechanics work with El Petro?
nobody knows for sure.
and whatever you find about it it's speculation.
if you want to know what i think about it, then read all this thread.



Don’t you have to know all the information about the asset you’re investing in? I mean, in case of El Petro, which factors gave you assurance of it being successful?
34  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-SALE][ICO] Petro $PTR - Oil backed crypto currency launched by Venezuela on: April 25, 2018, 09:18:29 AM
Who can briefly explain how “backing by oil assets” mechanics work with El Petro?
35  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-SALE][ICO] Petro $PTR - Oil backed crypto currency launched by Venezuela on: April 22, 2018, 07:23:08 PM
Why don't we talk about Venezuela's and Syria's "internal" problems; petroleum; President Maduro emitting the Petro and President Trump condemning it? Why do Venezuela and the Petro have so many detractors?  Is there a connection between these topics?

Just a little connection...

As far as I can see, there is a strong bond between El Petro and NEM, whereas it seems quite logical to assume that NEM is connected directly to Kremlin. Have you heard about the fасt that NEM’s authorities went for sauna in Moscow accompanied by Russian officials? In this case resignation of NEM’s executives might be the consequence of them being tied up with Maduro and Putin’s regimes.

Maybe they went for sauna in Caracas, too. NEM's representative in Venezuela during the NEM global tour was a Russian guy Misha Granin. Check out his insta https://www.instagram.com/p/BegoeFugCZ_/
" Venezuela makes sure that you smile". Well, I hope Venezuelans smile at a pathetic attempt of their government to fraud them with all the El Petro bullshit

Well, actually, they don’t. Venezuelans either condemn that crypto or support it, just like their current president. Too bad some people don’t connect the dots

Luckily, Maduro's regime resulted in that most people can't even afford being frauded))))

And it’s all thanks to the supporters of El Petro, they are so dumb that just cannot stop funding his rogue and corrupted government. Really, it’s hilarious how Maduro says that El Petro got 5 billion dollars in first week, without even telling a word about investors. And this crypto is also based on NEM blockchain that’s been hacked and absolute shit
36  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-SALE][ICO] Petro $PTR - Oil backed crypto currency launched by Venezuela on: April 22, 2018, 06:43:39 PM
Why don't we talk about Venezuela's and Syria's "internal" problems; petroleum; President Maduro emitting the Petro and President Trump condemning it? Why do Venezuela and the Petro have so many detractors?  Is there a connection between these topics?

Just a little connection...

As far as I can see, there is a strong bond between El Petro and NEM, whereas it seems quite logical to assume that NEM is connected directly to Kremlin. Have you heard about the fасt that NEM’s authorities went for sauna in Moscow accompanied by Russian officials? In this case resignation of NEM’s executives might be the consequence of them being tied up with Maduro and Putin’s regimes.

Maybe they went for sauna in Caracas, too. NEM's representative in Venezuela during the NEM global tour was a Russian guy Misha Granin. Check out his insta https://www.instagram.com/p/BegoeFugCZ_/
" Venezuela makes sure that you smile". Well, I hope Venezuelans smile at a pathetic attempt of their government to fraud them with all the El Petro bullshit

Well, actually, they don’t. Venezuelans either condemn that crypto or support it, just like their current president. Too bad some people don’t connect the dots
37  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-SALE][ICO] Petro $PTR - Oil backed crypto currency launched by Venezuela on: April 22, 2018, 06:33:45 PM
Dude you are always getting mad when I talk about your beloved government, you are the one who is pathetic you can never recognize when the Maduro government is wrong, they never respected the whitepaper so just stop it, I know you read me all the time and you see that I am most of the time well informed let me add I am even better informed than you are , I invested in Petro because I believed the government was serious about the Petro, I can confirm that they are not it's just a trial to them...Instead of insulting people come with facts and if you have valuable infos defending my accusations expose them, you are such a kiss ass when it comes to Venezuela government...

Tell me when the pre sale was officially concluded and when the public sale started ? Nobody knows dummy...


Basic conditions
Pre - Sell
Initial Offer
INITIAL OFFER OF THE CRYPTOASSET
Total emission: 100.000.000
Tokens available: 38.400.000
Reference Selling Price: USD 6026,27
Start date and time: February 20, 2018 at 08:30 a.m. (Venezuela time, -04:00 GMT).
Closure date and time: March 19, 2018 at 23:59:59 p.m. (Venezuela time, -04:00 GMT).
Total Petro available for sale: 44,000,000
Reference Selling Price: USD 60*
Start date and time: March 20, 2018 at 08:30 a.m. (Venezuela time, -04:00 GMT)
Closure date and time: Until the Petros of the first emission are exhausted

That opacity in government’s action might be due to the fact that real numbers differ dramatically from the official forecast, and when it comes out, it might have a bad influence on Venezuelan presidential Election in May.
38  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [PRE-SALE][ICO] Petro $PTR - Oil backed crypto currency launched by Venezuela on: April 22, 2018, 04:25:07 PM
Why don't we talk about Venezuela's and Syria's "internal" problems; petroleum; President Maduro emitting the Petro and President Trump condemning it? Why do Venezuela and the Petro have so many detractors?  Is there a connection between these topics?

Just a little connection...

As far as I can see, there is a strong bond between El Petro and NEM, whereas it seems quite logical to assume that NEM is connected directly to Kremlin. Have you heard about the fасt that NEM’s authorities went for sauna in Moscow accompanied by Russian officials? In this case resignation of NEM’s executives might be the consequence of them being tied up with Maduro and Putin’s regimes.
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