Whoops, sorry. Someone must have hacked my PC, gaining access to any hypothetical bank account information and/or forum usage. Oh noes.


Regardless of what I did or didn't do, you're still a fucking scammer. You know it and I know it. Who REFUSES to use an escrow?


Not possible. I'm assuming what happened (I can only assume since I have nothing to do with this) is that an instant BoA transfer was initiated. That's more or less an instant, one-way transfer. Now if someone illegally accessed HIS account, it could be recovered. Since that didn't happen, it's just written off as a loss.

Or maybe not a loss. I mean.. that could have been for consulting work... Or for digital goods that cannot be tracked. Hell, you might have already gotten the Bitcoins! There's really no hard evidence for or against.


I will PROMISE you that none of this will happen. I ASSURE you. You have MY WORD that this will not happen. XD


Extremely easy. I mean, people just leave their bank account information laying around on their machines and whatnot. D:

/endrant

I'm going to suggest we take this to a scam accusation thread. Do you want to make it or shall I? I've never written a scam accusation thread on MYSELF before.

Working on it. I didn't want to give you "Hang on" excuses.

You can do whatever you want to do. I made a scam accusation, I have the Skype conversation logged, and that's the end of it.

Bottom line - you do not refuse an escrow. If I got negative trust for NOT MENTIONING an escrow, then you get fucked for REFUSING one. Welcome to Bitcointalk.

What happened:: User opened a thread wanting people to contact him for a BTC deal. Uses only Skype. I contacted the user, went through the motions. He wanted me to send coins first, I told him to send the payment first, and this time (Unlike my last attempt at exposing a scammer) I requested that he use a third party escrow. He claimed to not know what that was, I explained. He claimed that a third party trusted escrow was untrustworthy. I explained that's how everyone does business around here. He then stated he would do business with only newbies to "avoid getting scammed". I took this to mean that newbies don't know any better and would send him coins ahead of time.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=409589

Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=923783.msg10141409#msg10141409
Amount Scammed: Attempted $150
Payment Method: Bank Transfer
Proof of Payment: No payment
PM/Chat Logs: See thread
Additional Notes: I can unblock the user on Skype and screenshot the conversation upon request.

First of all, TomatoCage left me a negative trust because he didn't approve of me asking someone to send first.

Second of all, you just proved what I claimed. You refused to use a trusted escrow. You are a scammer, looking to hit newbies for $150 worth of coins per scam.

Skyped this scammer. Pretty standard -

Newbie
Wants me to send coins up front
Refuses to send a payment up front
Refuses escrow claiming


Also, when I told him that EVERYONE uses trusted escrows if they want to be safe, he said,
Again, I suggested that the user send the payment, he refused. That's fine. He wanted me to send coins first. That's not fine, but not a sin. He then REFUSED TO USE ESCROW. Typical scammer.

Leaving negative trust and posting this in Scam Accusations (Maybe I won't get neg repped by TomatoCage this time )

I'd like to point out this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=914784.0

This user is "allowing" escrow for orders over $1000, but specifically forcing users to send first if it's under a certain dollar amount.

I received negative trust from TomatoCage for insisting that a new account with a suspicious checklist of conditions send first.

Why hasn't this user also received negative trust for this thread?

I was going to rant and yell at you a bit about privacy, but I don't really care. You didn't get my address from the credentials you had. I'd just like to point out that many members of the Bitcoin community wouldn't be happy if you skim their personal details like that. Someone's name is given to you for business reasons, and that's where it should end. Unless a bounty is posted on someone, you really shouldn't be advertising that you have someone's details. It's simply rude.

/endrant

1: Our trade didn't work out because you tried to use a credit card to pay for WU and couldn't get authorized. The same with MG. You claimed to have $1300 in cash but never offered to pay cash. You updated your thread stating you had cash and attempted to use a credit card for about two hours.

2: That isn't my phone number. That's a dump phone. I would never give out my cell line to anyone on a forum (No offense, but that's a great way to get spam calls).

3: You don't have my physical address. You have a city/state/zip.

4: You saying things like that could be interpreted as you farming users for their identities.

Fair enough. If they refuse escrow or push sending first, then it's scammy as hell. I get the point.


My account has never been hacked or sold. I've used the same wallet address since I opened the account last year.

The only proof I have of this is that I can tell you the exact mailing address from which I shipped those PCI-E riser cables last year.

Fair enough. Thanks for the confidence.

Fair enough. I've never interacted with LBC escrow, and I just assumed it was less than legit (Or at least not as secure as a normal forum escrow).

If it was a little huge to open a scam accusation thread then so be it, but there's two things here that aren't right:

1: JonnyQuid left false feedback stating that I have multiple accounts and try to scam sellers. There's no evidence of that.

2: I got a slice of negative feedback for asking that a new user "send first". That doesn't make sense.

Shipitbuddy is another user who does business fairly often - Tomato left him a neutral Trust stating "Use escrow", etc. That would be more appropriate here than getting "neg repped". I got the message - it seems just as shady (less, actually) when I ask -anyone- to send a non-refundable currency to me without escrow, but I hardly think that deserves negative trust from a big name around here.

I dunno. This is just a bit irksome that when I open a thread on someone else, I get neg repped. Obviously I won't be doing that any more, but if you check my post history, I've made scam accusations before that were spot on.

Start a new thread with my username in the title. This thread is for JonnyQuid.

Tomato, really? I stated many times that it was my personal opinion. I haven't had any problems with my transactions, and I got the same list of excuses that most new account scammers give.

Remove your negative trust, please. I haven't done anything untrustworthy. I was just pointing out that some random person shows up, doesn't even talk about escrow, and wants a user to send BTC to them. That's pretty typical behavior.

I've also refunded BTC when something has gone wrong. I'm not going to debate my Trust ratings here, I just got a bad vibe when someone does a lot of hand waving instead of using a proper escrow.


Why not use TomatoCage or someone else that virtually every reputable user on here uses? Again, I get a bad feeling when these conditions are met:

1: A new user is accepting non-refundable payment methods (BTC, WU, Whatever).

2: They don't encourage escrow or talk about it up front, and instead encourage you to send them coins.

3: When refused, they suggest escrow that isn't "local" (the forum).

If a scam accusation was too much, then I'll hear what the community has to say about it - I'm not close-minded at all. Personally however, I do not trust this user, and that's what the Trust rating and this thread is about.


Actually, I could have also paid via a bank transfer, but we never discussed that. And I didn't "freak out" when you recommended escrow, I "freaked out" when I saw all of the typical conditions being met for a scam. I'll admit that I know very little about localbitcoins escrow, but I'm -guessing- there is a way to scam that system so that the escrow fails to protect one of the parties involved.

Anyway. I'm done here. This is all my viewpoint about this particular user and his business methods. Good luck.

Sending you a PM.

I can do this for a bank transfer, wire, or WU payment. Preev +10%

To answer your question, there is no best way to buy bitcoins with PayPal, unless you are willing to wait 180 days on the PayPal chargeback option to expire. That having been said, I'll sell you all kinds of BTC for PayPal if you're willing to wait the 180 days.

That's exactly how I conduct business - I believe that a newbie with no Trust is a scammer if he wants me to send a WU payment to a third world country. Yep. That's how I do business.

Now if you would have said "Hey. I don't trust you, so why don't we use TomatoCage or SaltySpitoon as an escrow?", I would have said "Okay, great!" Instead, you took a shot at getting a WU payment up front, and you avoided using a trusted forum escrow. Your localbitcoin account doesn't mean shit to me, or anyone else.

Try to get any other reputable buyer/seller on here to send you WU first and watch them laugh at you. You scammers need to try a little harder, or just go away. It's not funny any more. I've had to sift through at least 4 of you people in the past 12 hours. I'm tired of it.

I'm going back to my old ways and making scam accusations against anyone whom I suspect of scammy behavior. If others want to listen to me, fine. If they don't, then the best of luck in their future trades with those people.

Did you get that loan paid off in your Trust history?

Yeah exactly. You didn't suggest escrow until you were sure I wasn't going to send you non-refundable Western Union.

And why didn't you post in your original thread that you would accept any escrow around here? Instead you link to a localbitcoin account, which means nothing to me.

Anyway. If you're legit, then don't worry about it. Personally, I don't trust you, and that's what the Trust system is for. There are many users who want escrow or won't send coins first, and I don't make accusations towards them because they don't set off an "alarm" with me. You do.

Good luck to anyone who does business with the OP. Please use a reputable forum escrow.