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21  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Hodler, you motherfucker. on: November 21, 2019, 07:22:13 AM
It all started so innocently. Why not give crypto a try? All the guys at work are talking about it. Shitcoins, ICOs, Tethers, Smart Contracts. You wanted in. It was the Next Big Thing, you fucking idiot.

So you put a little money in the crypto market in 2018. How do you feel today? Portfolio in the red. You don’t even want to look at it. Hodl, they all said. It will come back after the FUD, they all said. And now you’re numb, and depressed, and can’t even afford a bottle of Jack to drown out the pain.

You’ve learned (hopefully) that hodling is bad.

Hodling is like prayer. A lot of people may believe in it, but it doesn’t fucking work. Your assets aren’t protected by God, and they do not respond to the intensity of your beliefs. No matter how hard you believe, crypto-assets just do whatever they do. The market and the universe remain indifferent to your convictions.

In the world of poker, there’s a saying: “If within the first 10 minutes, you can’t spot the sucker at the table, it’s you.” So you’ve been pwned by crypto, Mr. or Mrs. SmartyPants. Somebody else is having a nice Christmas this year with your (actual) money.

But every failure is a learning experience. Hopefully you’ve learned something too. Most successful investors eat shit at the beginning. You know why? Because the ones you’re trading against have already eaten it, and they know how to avoid the same mistakes.

Stop Wasting Your Fucking Time

The biggest mistake most amateur “investors” (actually gamblers), make is to fail to value their own time. Like that guy at the office who always boasts that he’s up big money at the weekly poker game. If he had been installing Ikea furniture in his spare time, he’d probably have more money, and at least not be in liver failure from the constant drinking. This is not an investment strategy. It’s just work. In the gambling world, they call it “grinding.”

At a certain point, having more money doesn’t buy you the one thing you will continue to value above everything else: your time. This is precisely the difference between an investor and a gambler: and investor values their own time. A gambler doesn’t. Now, if you’re a degenerate fucking gambler, please, continue to check the crypto market every 5 minutes, and hodl like your life depends on it. There is always an inside straight that you can draw towards.

Go ahead. We’ll wait.

3 Kinds of Stupid

I don't like to generalize, but I’m going to do it anyway.  I think that there are essentially 3 kinds of people in the crypto market right now: Hodlers; Panic Sellers; and Traders.

Despite what you’ve read on Reddit, it’s not really a complicated science. Why do you think Wallstreet is run by a bunch of frat bros who could barely balance a checkbook before they were entrusted with a slide rule, your grandma’s pension fund, and a fat baggie of Colombian cocaine? Trading is fucking simple. Buy low. Sell high. Rinse. Repeat. The less emotional, the better.

Trust me, I’m an economist. We’re never wrong.

Because it’s not a complicated science, I made a simple backtest that shows the difference between a holding "strategy" (that's not a strategy) and a super simple trading strategy (ie: an actual fucking strategy). I didn't consider panic sellers simply because they’re idiots, who never make the right decisions. Never panic sell! Actually, do not buy crypto, fiat, or stocks if you are driven by fear. And most people are driven by fear.

My assumptions start from an investment of $13,000 made in January 2018 when BTC-USD price was $13,000 and therefore you would have had a balance of 1 full Bitcoin. Awesome, let's see how the two investors would end their 2018!

Holder (I really hate the word Hodler as I really hate your species):

You’re basically a flat Earther, Tesla Model 3 loving, over-paid, under educated, millenial dumbass. That’s you. You lost 76% of your capital in less than a year. Good job, idiot. Go on Twitter and tell your friends to do likewise. Maybe next year will be the year. Or not. Delete your account. 

Trader:

It's been a hard year, but you made it. You have a strategy that includes stop-losses and sets a profit appetite. You set 10% stop losses so you sold your BTC when the price was $11,700. You bought again when the price dropped to $10,000 so you had 1.17 BTC now (still not profitable but better than before, right?). So you felt confident and kept placing orders to sell and to buy strategically. If you did as I did, you should find yourself in the table below.


Yes, I am 10.97% up right now. Yes, I made profits during a bear trend. Yes, I am not the only one (whoa!). How I did it? I spent no more than 10 minutes per day in front of my laptop and used a trading bot to place orders as I wanted. "As I wanted" means "as I meant to trade" and not "as a friend of a friend told me when I was drunk in a pub".

Managing your wealth these days is a question of doing simple homework, and not listening to bullshit.  Stick with a strategy, do not panic, and (especially) have the right technology to execute it all. If you think that you can outsmart Goldman Sachs with your excel spreadsheet downloaded online and suggested by an investment "Guru", I have a bridge to sell you. Anyone who sells you their investment advice isn’t smart enough to play the market themselves. You’re the one getting played instead.

In 1613, my hero, and the first real economist Antonio Serra said that the quality of people is one of the key factors that will determine the wealth and poverty of a nation. The quality of the people is mainly determined by their common sense and by their ability to survive during difficult periods. You, holder, are the ruin of a beautiful ecosystem. You are the curse of Bitcoin economics. You, holder still have time (maybe) to change your stupid mind, even just to try and to demonstrate to yourself that you can be smarter.

STOP HOLDING, TRADE.

I love you.



Yikes! Seems like you've had some bad experiences. I think HODLing is still a proven strategy for a lot of people. Why exactly do you think it doesn't work? Sources?
22  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Market Price Vs Limit Price on: November 21, 2019, 07:20:59 AM
Do you prefer to use limit price or market price when doing crypto trading? What are the pros and cons?




Personally, I tend to use limit price because I've usually decided when I want to buy and sell before I enter a trade. Also, it seems as though sometimes exchanges make their market price fee higher than their limit price fee. I think whichever works better for you is what you should go with.
23  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: WHAT DOES A TRADER NEED? on: November 21, 2019, 07:20:29 AM
Reading news constantly and being on track?
Using platforms/tools?
Is trading view enough?
Thank you for helping in this matter!

Tradingview is a good start! But there are definitely other resources and news sources too. Reddit and twitter are always great for news. Just remember to always do your own research.
24  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: 4 reasons why Bitcoin has bottomed out on: November 21, 2019, 07:19:54 AM
Hey guys,

I really do think Bitcoin has bottomed out right now.
1st we haven't seen any close below the weekly EMA and it acted as support
2nd Correction of 45% one of the highest ones so far
3rd Bullish divergence on the weekly chart
4th triple bottom reversal pattern

For my complete analysis check my YouTube video : https://youtu.be/XUyoGTJH8FY

Hey! Cool video. Yeah, I think you could be right. It's likely we're heading towards a bull run now. Particularly with the Bitcoin halvening event happening in May next year, I think it's pretty clear that we're entering a bull market.
25  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Panic selling and postpone from trading, which one is the worse one? on: November 21, 2019, 07:19:27 AM
The dynamic situation of cryptocurrency these days in general responded by three ways: selling panicly with the risk of cut-loss in order to save the remaining assets from more fallen, hold the assets and playing save by not doing any trading activities, and view the phenomenon as a diamond chance then buying coins in huge amounts of investments while the prices are low. Of course, those three ways are logically humane and each has their own pluses and minuses.

I am intrigued upon the first two: panic selling and postponing from trading.

On doing panic selling, ones tend to sell their assets in the price lower than in the actual price. The main goal is to sell their coins faster to save themselves from the worse situation, without consideration upon the impact of their behaviour towards the market in general.

Meanwhile, ones could also hold their assests and postpone from doing any trading activities, in order to keep their assets safe and even maybe went on hiatus from digital assets bussiness while waiting for the bullish days to be back. They don't want to sell their assets in low price, but the act of not doing any trading is logically also has impact in general. At least, it is contributing on slower the trading traffic.

In your opinion, which one is the worse way among the two?

I would argue that panic selling is the worse option. It not only impacts the market, it also impacts the trader. I just think about the people who sold their Bitcoin during early bear markets, and how much they must be kicking themselves now.
26  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Smart hodling vs just hodling on: November 21, 2019, 07:18:49 AM
Many of us here are hardcore bitcoin believers. If you are anything like me, you've put a good chunck of your savings in bitcoin.

However, how painful is it to watch bitcoin price plummet?  Cry   Undecided  Roll Eyes  Huh  Sad  Angry

April 1st signaled the start of what seemed would be yet another bull run… however, the rally seems to have been cut short without getting close to the all-time high.

What do you think would be a smarter way of hodling bitcoin other than standing still, bag in hand, while watching the price go down in each correction, or maybe even back to the $3K range?

To me, the utmost goal of a hardcore hodler is to accumulate bitcoin, as much as possible, always managing your risk level.

With that in mind, the smarter way to hold bitcoin is to sell it when prices start going down, only to re-buy a larger quantity when prices stabilize at a lower range. Then, with the same capital, you increase your bitcoin holding every time prices drop.

That is what I'm doing at this point. I'm using a strategy a few friends and I built. The strategy seems to be very good at predicting big downward market moves, giving a sell signal early on, as the move starts developing. It also indicates when you should re-buy. Backtests show amazing performance in 2018 (549% ROI in BTC) and 2019 (106% ROI in BTC). Current live trading experience is quite short-lived, but we did catch the fall of September 24th, with a 26% ROI in BTC in a single trade.

The strategy is explained in this article recently published in Hackernoon: How to Increase your Bitcoin Holdings in a Bear Market - Part I


Frankly I think your strategy is really good. Rather than just being a placid hodler, taking action and minimizing risk while continuing to accumulate is a much better idea than just standing around with all your proverbial eggs in one basket.
27  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: WILL CRYPTO BOOM AGAIN? on: November 21, 2019, 07:18:17 AM
Sure it's impossible to say but still... after yesterday hearing i really don't know what to think. Used to be sure Libra entry will boom the market once again but it looks like Libra's not coming shortly.
Is btc halving the most promising ''event'' we are looking forward to (at the moment)?

The official Libra launch will most likely be sometime next year, but with major backers already pulling out of the project it doesn't look all that promising at this stage. The Bitcoin halvening event will most likely signal a bull run.
28  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Scarcity is one of the leading factors of Bitcoins value on: November 21, 2019, 06:57:37 AM
21 million cap in my opinion is not about scarcity and price but instead it is more about having a clear maximum supply and a clear predefined plan for distribution of that supply. this design was specifically chosen to fix the problem with fiat system where there is absolutely no cap and no predefined plan of supply creation. the government can print as much money as they like and that causes inflation among a lot of other economical issues.

as a side product of that, we get the scarcity and with a limited supply and an increasing demand we get the rising price. of course it should not be forgotten that the demand is an important part of that rise otherwise we have altcoins with much smaller supply that are not only worth less than bitcoin but they are losing value as time goes by even though they are supposedly scarce too.

You definitely have a point there. Scarcity definitely does combat inflation, and we know Bitcoin was invented as a response to the global recession in 2008 (as well as for other reasons). With that being said - you're spot on in that we have to acknowledge that demand drives up the price.
29  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN]🔥Vertex - the largest peer-to-peer trading platform on earth.🔥 on: November 21, 2019, 06:44:54 AM
Turns out we’re not the only ones supporting crypto trade in Africa.
According to the United Nations, Africa could be crypto’s next frontier. Find out everything you need to know about @Jack Dorsey’s visit to 4 African countries. https://decrypt.co/11417/jack-dorsey-eyes-africas-bitcoin-market
30  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN]🔥Vertex - the largest peer-to-peer trading platform on earth.🔥 on: November 20, 2019, 08:00:59 AM
What is a Bitcoin Block?
a) The main community behind Bitcoin
b) A virtual brick used in Minecraft
c) A Bitcoin transaction
d) A set of Bitcoin transactions
31  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do Not Trade By The News, Follow The Price Action on: November 19, 2019, 07:45:52 AM
It is easy to get stucked in this trap when you read a particular economic news and tell yourself that it seems likely to make the market go in a certain direction. Once you convinced yourself that what you expect to happen is basically you digging for your account. In the early years of trading, many traders were stuck in the trap of trading in news and focused too much on fundamental analysis. 
 Trying to find out what the market is going to act next after the major economic reports are published appears to be obvious and useful to a trader at the time. However, you may be surprised to learn that the trader focuses too much on news that is losing money as prices tend to move in the opposite direction from what the news reflects.


Definitely agree with you! Too many traders give into FUD that's sewn by the media, and it impacts the success of their trading.
32  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: We are finally going to $22k on: November 19, 2019, 07:45:13 AM
Searching across the web. A very interesting Chart has come to my notice. I don't know who has analyzed but it says a lot about the story of bitcoin so far in a very large time frame.




The thing is on one side it is hard to digest this as we have seen a long bear phase and a lot of fake ICOs shit which has almost lifted the trust of people from this cryptocurrency market as whole. However, this analysis couldn't completely be neglected because we all know 0.5 retracements hold a pretty sacred place in every Technical Analysis. Maybe the waves don't count up it can be a correction downwards. But the whole trend line is still.

Disclaimer: This chart is shrinked a little bit to prove the point if you go to trading view you won't find a chart exactly like this one but the highs and lows are all correct. Better see a logarithmic chart for better similarity.

I think it's a super interesting chart - and historically halvings have heralded bull runs about a year following the event. Thanks for posting!
33  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Risks with using trading Signals on: November 19, 2019, 07:44:24 AM
Trading is much more than just signals. It’s a life.
This is a theard for discussion about the risks involved in using trading signals that have become common in cryptocurrency trading. I would have posted this in Trading forum, but it’s more important that newbies see this. Knowing that after a few unsuccessful investments in cryptocurrencies, using trading signals seems to be the only ‘certain option to profit in the crypto world’. But this comes with huge risk. Risks that these ‘trading professionals’ won’t tell you about.

I already posted on a different forum, so I’ll be quoting the post here so I don’t get tagged for copypasta.

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Most traders after a series of loses in the first few months of trading would go in search of trading signals from so called Professionals. This thread is to point out flaws in this trading option, and reasons why you should learn to trade yourself.
 

First, What’s a Trading signal?

Trade signals (trading calls) are a set of instructions you receive in real time that contains details of cryptocurrency to buy, what price to buy it at, the targets to sell it at and most importantly the correct stop loss to ensure minimum loss if the trade goes wrong.
 

But there’s always a BUT!


1. When using a trading signal, you have no idea how these signals were generated. If it actually came from a professional or just some random bot. It takes confidence to make a successful trade, and without confidence in the signal, there’s a high chance you’ll be losing.
 

This brings us to the next BUT
 

2. To ensure the trading signal comes from an experienced professional, people pay heavily for these signals. But even if these signals were right, the amount of profit made from these trades are small amounts compared to the amount you pay for the signals. You’ll have to trade using huge trading Capital to cover the cost of a the trading signal.
Does this sound familiar? Yes. Gambling. You’ll might get more chances Gambling than trading with these signals.
 

3. So, some traders (especially newbies) would prefer to trade using a free trading signal. But there’re no actually no free signals. They come at a cost. People who give these signals are paid by the project team, exchange or paid by large whales who want to dump their tokens.
You buy their dumped tokens and you’re left with no one to buy at the stop loss price.
 

4. The cryptocurrency market is very volatile. Profits could go as high as 400% in a few hours and dump to as low as 400% in few hours. Bitcoin, (the most traded cryptocurrency with a market dominance of over 60%) has risen by more than 5% in 24 hours, and up to 1,824% in less than 8 months. Same goes for its fall.

 

 These are just a few risks with trading signals. It’s important to note, that I don’t condemn the use of trading signals. There’re quite a good number of trading signals, but these are few. And you could never tell the difference. It’s worth much better to

- Take responsibility by making decisions yourself.
- Learn Risk Management Skills.
- Understand the process of cryptocurrency trading.
- Build your Trading Career.
 

Trading is more than just a signal, it’s a career. So you have to build it.


Hey! I think if you don't have enough time on your hands, trading signals can be extremely useful. However, it's imperative that if you do sign up for a trading signals platform that you use the right one (i.e not a scam).
34  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What do you think altcoins will be used for in the future. on: November 19, 2019, 07:43:23 AM
The only place I think altcoins has a future in is gambling, normal gambling but first and foremost e-betting.I can not see how it will take over  from normal currency's in the world of buying or selling any other goods then btc. The main reason I think this is that nobody wants to be that guy that bought two pizzas for 10000 btc 5 years from now, so i cant really see what else it has a real future in. But that is only my opinion, What do you guys think?

I don't really undestand what you mean to be honest - are you saying that altcoins have no real function outside of online gambling? If we look at the utility of certain coins and their blockchains, that doesn't really make any sense.
35  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is there any Impact of AI technology in Trading? on: November 19, 2019, 07:42:23 AM
Is there any Impact of AI technology in Trading?

Is there any Impact of AI technology in Trading? or can it automate the trading process? IMO AI is not producing any benefit to humans because using the AI many companies will build robots and the need of humans will be ended. There will be no need of humans anymore, the unemployment rate in the world has already increased too much, & do you know that the salary you are getting paid is just nothing? $8K-$16K per month are even nothing to anything. The minimum salary a human may deserve should be equivalent to the cost a human pay to save his life in the hospital. Maybe AI can reduce the cost of operations but it does not resolve the issue yet, because the unemployment rate has been increased too much. Can you decrease the unemployment rate using the AI technology? or Governments and Banks should pay free money to the people who are unemployed? My question is that if AI automates everything in the future, so there is no need of employees left then how the people will be getting paid? as everything will be done by robots?

I mean we already have AI trading bots - but I do think there's definitely still room for more growth for AI in crypto trading.
36  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Quick Noob Question about Traders on: November 19, 2019, 07:41:42 AM
I have 1.8 btc in total from two different trading sites. Its stored there. On somedays the websites work and is fully operational. hustrade.com and waxcoins.com

Does it have to do with server?

I know I might be answerings this question for myself, but it never hurts to ask.

So, I looked into what you're talking about. I also can't get on hustrades.com, and my browser says that it's because of a server issue. I could get on waxcoins.com though. Either way, if you're having problems I'd move your crypto to a reputable wallet - rather be safe than sorry.
37  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do expert traders hide their loses? on: November 19, 2019, 07:41:11 AM
I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


The Real McCoy

I guess part of it is so that they maintain their image. Absolutely everyone makes mistakes and bad trades from time to time. I think part of it has to also be because so many of them become like "influencers" in the crypto-sphere, and they want to keep that up.
38  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoin price manipulation are becoming too obvious now. on: November 19, 2019, 07:40:37 AM
The people manipulating the price are becoming too predictable now. They trigger a massive drop in the price and people follow like sheep and start

dumping some coins. When the price drop between $600 to $1000, they quickly start buying again to turn things around and then they just wait for

the price to recover slowly to sell at a $600 to $1000 (per coin) profit. Rinse and repeat and you smile all the way to the Bank.  Roll Eyes  They make

sure not to make the price too volatile, because that would scare merchants and it will hamper merchant adoption. So, how low are we going this

time around? We saw $3000 in January and we made some good profits at $12 000... The 2017 buyers made some massive losses on the coins that

they bought at the all-time-high (ATH) of $18 000, so I think it is time to reward some of them with a recovery to $20 000.  Tongue

I definitely get where you're coming from - that's why it would be fantastic for whales to use marketplaces like Vertex so that their trades don't impact the rest of the markets. I mean, it works for anyone making large trades too. Let's hope we hit $20k in the next bull run! Many analysts expect Bitcoin to soar after the next halvening event in May 2020.
39  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Should move to BTC? on: November 19, 2019, 07:17:35 AM
Hi guys ! Thats a question i do to myself very often , and it always looks like the right answer. My main coin for now its XRP (like 3000) and a very few BTC (0.005).

I hold XRP from long time but i see BTC price raise a lot and XRP don't do much. They have a consolidated project but no matters what BTC price its still mandatory.

So the question is , should i sold like 2500XRP and buy BTC when this one have a price drop?

I know its something i had to decide myself , just looking for what you guys think.
Thanks!

Personally, I'd move to Bitcoin. Keep some of your XRP, but ultimately why would you stay pretty much exclusively with XRP when you could buy Bitcoin which has dominance over the market and the highest market cap by far?
40  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is the day trading profitable ? on: November 19, 2019, 07:16:31 AM
I am prepared myself for trading. But i need some suggetions from here. There are many way for trading in cryptocurrency. But i need correct one which is profitabe. I am prepared myself for day trading. Is it profitabe?

Day trading can definitely be profitable, you just need to go into it with patience and enough knowledge to make successful trades. Also, never trade with more than you can afford. Start slow and build your way up.
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