waves ico is rising and dao is rising all that could have been heading here but too bad its not gonna be some epic dumps lisk buy orders will be dry as everyone scrams to buy into them
dude I am in Lisk, DAO, and waves equally. Actually Lisk is the one I am holding out for big profits the other 2 are risky really. The three of them are pretty solid investment. What's dao?  But I agree on those two..  |
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Selling 100.000 Lisk for 1 Million Dollar hahahahahahaha
pmed you  |
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So according to the new development, 200k will be floor or what do u think?
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Next time dont invest if you cant wait.
Would you prefer an unstable release? and then fork..?
Let the team work on the project!
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Guys, don't you think, that it's not a very good idea to invest in ICO where the founder has never been seen in public before, and when only Bittrex can approve his identity?
Ethereum, Lisk, Waves had a public known people in their team, source code, community etc before the start of ICO.
Edon has only Bittrex approval for ICO and some info about platform concept on their pretty website.
The main question is - what do you need to verify identity at Bittrex and to launch an ICO?
Is it possible to verify identity at Bittrex by sending passport/ID scans, selfies with ID etc.
If it's possible - then it's possible to buy any documents and selfies you need at underground forums and to launch ICO using some fake identity.
We are waiting for a response from the Bittrex. Also waiting. And what would the funds be used for exactly..? |
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hehe you guys are so funny. what was ico ended 1 month ago or barely any longer. price was 20k sats or less... at a dollar a lisk it would be what 230k satoshi?
11x in one month yeah good luck holding that price... the yobit and bloombit markets are so illiquid that refreshing the page could blow them over. they are not grounded in any reality in any dimension in any universe. I understand this is crypto and you all have the expectation to lock up a few satoshi for a month and get back a few thousand dollars heck i have the same unrealistic expectations from time to time especially when i was newer to crypto. but it doesnt happen to frequently. and if it is happening very few will hold from the bottom to the top. lisk raised 7 million bucks. you dont think half the people would love to get out at launch for even 2x? that could be 7 million (16,000+BTC) in sell pressure just to hit 40k satoshi. meanwhile lisk is 80x of at yobit currently.
please feel free to continue yacking about moons and such i wont be able to stop you.. heck if lisk stays 80 ill be happy. heck ill be happy is it does 1.5x at launch.
for any noobs, if youve made money on lisk iou on yobit you might want to sell. even if your upside down on your investment you might want to sell before launch. the pressure of 100million coins being distributed to the people who paid 20,000 satoshi or less is going to destroy the IOU market. if you think differently your in for a big surprise.
Like eth's sell preasure? and they are pow, miners are even worse in that case. simmilar amount of coins distributed, price held 200k. reason? edit: right now there are 79,133,433 ETH... |
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I see, so you are just a pumper. Don't actually believe it will be above $1 or that it is worth $1 currently. Got it. I guess there is no point explaining that no one is selling anything "at $2" - as the coin has not launched. These IOUs are on an extremely sandboxed market and are prone to manipulation on top of that fact, further, the sample size is extremely small and the flood of coins reaching exchanges when the protocol goes live will be steep. But, of course you believe in $200,000,000.00 marketcap right now, so, great... I am still willing to sell you my coins for $1 (w/ escrow). 50% off your valuation. Then buy mine for $1 each. What are these guys talking about? At this point sell below $ 2 means giving free money for someone thinking in the long term. Put your mind in the place  Sorry, but If you have not sold at this point, with people buying above $ 2, It is very unlikely to have any. Go scam other!  Unbelievable, is the same bullshit over and over again, like the IOUs will have no effect in the entry price. This has been discussed a thousand times. If you follow the thread clearly know the sales intentions, and yes, you make no sense with your $1/Lisk. Sales intentions of some traders that put 1-5 btc in lisk is not a correct view of the market. Big players are not in this thread and dont care about out speculations. They've been around for long and know what lisk is worth. 1-2$ is the floor. When you mean big players... No I mean whales that do the math before selling at "omg i made x2.5". They do not subcome to fear, or stressed out of time/money like the most of us here. They work differently in approach, they see the bigger picture, always.  |
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Put my geek friends (O_O) aside. Microsoft, banks and fintech institutions looking at crypto means nothing to you?everyday another bank or trading platform wants blockchain in its system. none of them are talking about litecoin, monero or doge. Yes doge. you gotta lay low with the insults. getting you nowhere. |
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I see, so you are just a pumper. Don't actually believe it will be above $1 or that it is worth $1 currently. Got it. I guess there is no point explaining that no one is selling anything "at $2" - as the coin has not launched. These IOUs are on an extremely sandboxed market and are prone to manipulation on top of that fact, further, the sample size is extremely small and the flood of coins reaching exchanges when the protocol goes live will be steep. But, of course you believe in $200,000,000.00 marketcap right now, so, great... I am still willing to sell you my coins for $1 (w/ escrow). 50% off your valuation. Then buy mine for $1 each. What are these guys talking about? At this point sell below $ 2 means giving free money for someone thinking in the long term. Put your mind in the place Sorry, but If you have not sold at this point, with people buying above $ 2, It is very unlikely to have any. Go scam other! Unbelievable, is the same bullshit over and over again, like the IOUs will have no effect in the entry price. This has been discussed a thousand times. If you follow the thread clearly know the sales intentions, and yes, you make no sense with your $1/Lisk. Sales intentions of some traders that put 1-5 btc in lisk is not a correct view of the market. Big players are not in this thread and dont care about out speculations. They've been around for long and know what lisk is worth. 1-2$ is the floor. |
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It pisses me off when readers waste my expensive time by ignoring what I already wrote twice in this thread. This makes three times. Please readers don't make me teach this again by writing another post which ignores my prior points.
You write alot, hard to keep up. and if you spend so much time here, I doubt its expensive, seems more of a hobby to you. 1. I already provided the link to the thread two or three times in this thread, which explains that ICOs sold to non-accredited USA investors are ostensibly illegal. Again with the US.. THAT doesnt make WAVES a scam, makes it ilegal to invest at the US, at best! Scammers are people who say 1 thing, then RUN AWAY to hawai with your btc. And I think all of us were hurt in a way by such people.. 2. They contribute to the mainstream thinking that crypto-currency is a scam and thus we will have great difficulty getting CC widely adopted if don't put a stop to these scams.
The opposite, many of my non crypto friends, are now interested in this area cuz of its massive advance in services. It made crypto belong to all of the world, NOT JUST MINERS and tech people, that is unfair. I hate ICOs by now for other reasons:
3. They extract capital to a few scammers, which could be better uses to build our real ecosystems that are not vaporware and have real decentralized designs, such as Bitcoin and Monero.
really, monero? I rest my case here, even if you are a monero troll or not. Monero has nothing new to offer to our changing world. Its a coin of the past, and it seems we found your sensor/heart/motive.  And if the 3 pools of bitcoin is considered decetralized for you, than i dont know what else to say. Its far from perfect decetralized design, yet. DPOS / LPOS are decetralized designs btw, some say more than pow's pools. (vitalik himself said it) delegates and votes create a fine decentralized system. and by spreading the ico tokens by 2k-4k investors, is a nice INITIAL spread before exchanges kick in. |
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in the following months i believe that LISK is going to be the most successful altcoin in the market, but i am a little disapointed with what has happened by yobit, listing it before release.
Is LISK GPU mineable? If not, I am not going to touch it. I do not like ICO or IPO. Most will lose me money. well, i don't like them either but not all of them are bad. there are some that can still be a good chance of making money. like ETH, just check how it went up, of course now is the time to get out fast but it had a good ride. and i think LISK is going to be the next best thing that will replace ETH's market cap. LISK will not replace ETH. Without miners, fewer people will be interested in it. The cost of making the new coins is low. Its hard to become one of the 101 delegates (can be 1001 if needed). and is also quite profitable. so there's that. |
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Why not $1? At least $1?
The Dapp store and javascript can definetely become huge, don't you think?
Not at launch .....it may hit 1 buck over time as you say.... Again hope I am wrong and it pumps (also want supermodel girlfriend....also unlikely) At launch and before lunch. You will see lisk hit crazy highs. havent seen launches before? check polo for all great coins. If there's great demand, the price will rocket. great demand overcomes the "sell preasure" under 200k sats. it cant hold so low |
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crypto ICO's are GREY area and will remain so for much longer time, and when that time comes (years),
There will not be a witchhunt like you imply, cause this is a worldwide phenomenon and as long as these companies will use the funds to pay devs and developments,
And those coins/token will be used on the platforms for various actions, There aint nothing wrong with it, for now.
And if there will be, it will be taxing not prosecuting, imho.
Why dont you say DASH will be prosecuted for instamine, and bitcoin as well for that matter?
Btw, you should study the history of how the government first allows the public to run amok, then it steps in with regulation and makes examples of the egregious cases. Remember the government has a monopoly on crime and they do enforce that monopoly. I do say DASH will also perhaps be prosecuted. I also added to my prior post. With that I agree, they will let everyone do as they please, but than just tax them accordingly. enforcing worldwide spread is not easy, and perhaps not doable. They tried doing it with porn in the 90's, file sharing in 2000's and so on... and servers kept over heating and got fried up I still dont understand why your'e calling waves a scam only cuz it made an ico (like everyone now). Its devs are legit, real names with real work behind them. So they thought charles and kushti are friends which will support them, and were wrong, apologized and moved on. everyone got their asses covered legaly ofc.. so if you think all ico's are scams, you got lots of work now not just on waves bro Please clearify. tnx |
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First of all, you lost all my trust when saying, "even the filipinos agree the US is supreme"
Logically you should separate your objective research of the law from this nonsense attempt to try to frame me as a racist. I've been living in the Philippines mostly since I was 26 years old. I will be 51 in June. I know about filipinos much better than you do. Filipinos even criticize themselves for admiring the USA too much. I tried in the past to argue to normal filipinos that the USA is really not the paradise they think it is on television. The word 'supreme' was not my choice. It was the choice of the troll in this thread who was trying to shift the discussion to one of trying to frame me as a racist to deflect attention away from the scam Waves. I would rather say that filipinos are envious of their countrymen who are able to migrate to the USA, because they think we have better governance and more economic opportunity. They criticize their own countrymen for refusing to follow even basic laws such as not littering, not urinating in the road, making illegal U turns in the middle of a 6 lane highway, driving the wrong direction on the highway at high speeds, and just about every way you can imagine that filipinos ignore their own laws. Having said that, they say the USA is lonely and they love their home and their culture. They do criticize the USA for being too liberated, too much divorce, and for losing some of the conservative family values that are so cherished by filipinos. One thing you don't understand about filipinos and perhaps the most important fact about their culture, is that filipinos first and foremost want to have fun every day. And they love to share everything with each other, including strangers and foreigners. So if you are up for a party, they are always ready. You will never feel lonely and they hate to be alone. They always want a zillion people in the house and as much talking and noise going on as possible. Generally speaking. There are always exceptions of course in any culture. You'd be suprised to know how much contact I have with Filipinos, I admire them! Even tho they are "less advanced" than my country. and I added some more points to my post, would love to hear your comment on the grey area |
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TPTB, I took you seriously and read for hours about this subject, which mostly lawyers can come up with answers to. First of all, you lost all my trust when saying, "even the filipinos agree the US is supreme" So, YOU ARE NOT SUPREME, when I see americans I see stupidity, this is the truth for the young generation where I come from. You have idiotic presidents, corrupted to your source, and think your'e better than all, And MAYBE you are in some ways (and so are budahists) , but as soon as you think that and say it, you become less than all humans. BUT saying that is racist, even IF someone thinks so. Its offending for 200 million people. And when your'e saying US is supreme, its offending 6.8 BILLION people. See my point? So after researching this law issues that you mentioned. I see that you were/are hurt in some way, and want scammers to begone in someway, So you fight "the good fight". which you maybe doing.. To conclude your'e a little right but alot more wrong. crypto ICO's are GREY area and will remain so for much longer time, and when that time comes (years), There will not be a witchhunt like you imply, cause this is a worldwide phenomenon and as long as these companies will use the funds to pay devs and developments, And those coins/token will be used on the platforms for various actions, There aint nothing wrong with it, for now. And if there will be, it will be taxing not prosecuting, imho. Why dont you say DASH will be prosecuted for instamine, and bitcoin as well for that matter? this is a word (instamine) gone from our community, and its better this way. If we had it your way, there wil be nothing, as devs need to work 2 jobs to develop a service. Sorry but none of us can afford not to work, and I think you fail to understand that its a funding to the project's salaries for years to come. Grey funding, but still not ilegal. If it's illegal in the us, so your citizens must be responsible for their actions. Not knowing your law doesnt relieve you from punishment. The world doesnt have to comply to US' all the time, right? if you came from a different country, you would talk diffrently. Disclaimer: IANR / IANA (im not russian, im not american) I wish you all the best, TPTB, and for you to find some greater truth than what you see. and remember not to fight the wars of The powers that be, by mistake. |
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openledger is too difficult for me, passing this one out  |
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I've started reading your post (the first page), and the related one with the votes. I think I understand what you mean by illegal, correct me if im wrong, You say that ICO's can be illegal if their tokens are ecosystem related or not, and if their buying price is significant or not. actually I voted for option 4, stating its illegal only if its a significant cost without use in the coin's ecosystem. But since this entire market is still unregulated, and maybe it cant be.. yet. So if there's no law about it. its neither legal nor illegal. Thanks and have a nice weekend btw Thanks agreed happy we cooled it down. Same to you. Your understanding appears to be entirely off in an incorrect direction. It doesn't have anything to do with the coin's ecosystem afaics. Rather it all hinges on whether the n00b investors are basing their expectations of future profit on the future actions of a centralized entity (i.e. the issuers of the ICO and the developers). That is what 'security' means, i.e the centralized entity is 'securing' your future profit. Note I originally started that linked discussion thinking that one could do an ICO as long as they did not use that raised money in the enterprise of making the project ongoing and if they gave up managerial control. 2112 was more knowledgeable about the law and was steering me to the Howey test so I could learn that I was incorrect. So I actually started out ignorant. As I studied the issue more in depth, I realized that just about any ICO sold to "unsophisticated, non-accredited" (<-- legal terms with definitions) USA investors is ostensibly illegal and the issuers of the ICO (and potentially also the accomplice promoters) are subject to SEC action even if they are foreign entities. The test that is applied to determine whether an investment vehicle is a regulated investment security under USA law, is known as the Supreme Court's Howey test. In the thread I linked for you, the requirements of the test are discussed in great detail. I suggest reading the entire thread so you don't miss any of the nuanced points. ICO is not illegal, it's just crowdfunding. If you do some projections about future profits this is illegal.
Actually when you do ICO you're selling a product - token in a value transfer system.
That is sort of what I originally thought, but then I realized I was wrong. The Supreme Court has said it will look past all obfuscations to the economic reality of whether the n00b investors were basing their expectations of future profit on the future actions of the centralized party issuing the tokens and developing the enterprise which the investors are investing in. Realize I am doing you a big favor. Cancel the ICO immediately and keep yourself out of trouble. Stay focused on being a developer and not involve yourself in this legal tarpit. But isnt the fact that its all traded for BTC, not standard fiat, changes the entire picture? Since bitcoin is not recognized as a currency in the usa (and the world...) No banks or private institutions are involved in the invesments' exchanges. fiat -> btc -> ico token - process, solves this issue imo. if it was a credit card / wire transfer, this would be an issue obviously. And I'll read the rest of the thread later on, it certainly got my interest |
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What do you mean by " illegal investment securities to non-accredited USA investors "?
Are you serious? what's illegal here? the ico? WHAT?
These kind of childish acts are exactly whats holding progress BACK in all crypto world.
This is mine..This is yours.. grow up.
Your (boastful) ignorance is the problem. Read again the resource I cited upthread. Oh, you come from a family of lawyers. Its all becoming clear to me now, the insults and your "elite" way. Yeah.. Man you are oversimplifying. I am a minanarchist. Last time I checked (as far as I know), my father and I don't agree on most things (although I suspect he would respect my insights if he had time to absorb them, but maybe not also since I am more theoretical/abstractly based than he is). I don't have any elitist pedigree in me. I am (one of) the black sheep in the family (actually on further reflection, I think the entire family is composed of black sheep, lol). Go read the link I provided and learn something. Those of us who want to create successful projects, know we can't do so from prison. Ok, glad we cooled it down. First of all you seem like a very intelligent person and hardly a "blacksheep". maybe you come from a strong family so you see it this way. I've started reading your post (the first page), and the related one with the votes. I think I understand what you mean by illegal, correct me if im wrong, You say that ICO's can be illegal if their tokens are ecosystem related or not, and if their buying price is significant or not. actually I voted for option 4, stating its illegal only if its a significant cost without use in the coin's ecosystem. But since this entire market is still unregulated, and maybe it cant be.. yet. So if there's no law about it. its neither legal nor illegal. Thanks and have a nice weekend btw |
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What do you mean by " illegal investment securities to non-accredited USA investors "?
Are you serious? what's illegal here? the ico? WHAT?
These kind of childish acts are exactly whats holding progress BACK in all crypto world.
This is mine..This is yours.. grow up.
Your (boastful) ignorance is the problem. Read again the resource I cited upthread. Oh, you come from a family of lawyers. Its all becoming clear to me now, the insults and your "elite" way. Yeah.. |
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just googgled for 10 sec and found this one Here is some useful advice. Whenever you see charleshoskinson write anything at all, and I mean ANYTHING, it's going to be about Charles Hoskinson. Unfortunately his persona is unable to function unless it acts as a self-advertising spambot so you're going to see a lot of information about how charleshoskinson is Charles Hoskinson. The subject matter is irrelevant, it is all about how internet recognition adds 3 inches to your thirdleggitry.
Charles Hoskinson is currently promoting a ponzi scheme called bitshares. I am curious about the backstory here.
Does he have a history of shady dealings?
 ~CfA~ You need to search for more than 10 seconds to get to know a person. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97ufCT6lQcYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UT3OZySRcAthx for the links!! (i never claimed that i feel to know him, i do NOT )~CfA~ This ted talk tell us nothing new. Its the same talk as many others.. Charles, you should take the right path here, you got your apology even tho your acts was not understandable. and even malicous in a way, as this was posted on first day of the ico, and that makes it seems you wanted to create real damage to this platform. |
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