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shipping time probably around 5/4-5/5.
I will prepare a foreign account for order taking.
Just remain guys, I just send a JTminer Bitcoin system to Luke-Jr for software development. You can email him to verify we are honest company.
And we don't want to do pre-order etc., so wait for our system ready to ship before you send money.
CHINA MERCHANTS BANK (HONG KONG BRANCH)
SWIFT CODE: CMBCHKHH
Name：ZHOU ZHI QIAN
Account：6212998604222550
Address：21/F, Bank of America Tower,12 Harcourt Road, Central, Hong Kong
Intermediate
CHINA MERCHANTS BANK，NEW YORK
SWIFT CODE: CMBCUS33
ACCOUNT NO.: 1001200128
or
CITIBANK N.A.NEW YORK
SWIFT CODE: CITIUS33
ACCOUNT NO.: 36206318
Bitcoin address:
1HkrbUqFNk998DBJFxuKaektKjPT1LHrLt
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28nm, 1 chip 1.5M-1.6M. System can be 60M or 72M.
Two weeks delivery.
Wonderful Where to buy? We can pick up payment in US and Europe. |
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May be we can have system that have one module for $3500. You can buy extra card to plug in at future.
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Update:
The speed we use to calculate here is about 1.55M. Right now, it can go as high as 1.9M.
Price (not include shipping etc and power):
75M (6 modules) - $12500 or 25 bitcoins
62M (5 modules) - $11300 or 22 bitcoins
Not include shipping and PSD. Price are negotiatable with quantity.
Shipping Time:
We can ship from 5/4-5/5 timeframe.
Size:
It is exactly our 1T Bitmine size (5U high, and 19" standard rack wide)
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Why my system's photo showing here?  |
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Clearify, I am the boss of JTminer.
Water is trying to buy batch of systems from us, but he is not exactly our sales person.
We are selling miners and Water is sounds like doing a shared mining pool.
Please do not confuse us. But yes, we are ready to ship at early of May.
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28nm, 1 chip 1.5M-1.6M. System can be 60M or 72M.
Two weeks delivery.
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I think he is referring into a shipping crate? I am not sure.
If you could sell DIY kits at a fair price I think there are plenty of us that are interested. Make it happen good sir!
Let's do it. 1. First DIY kits: What should be in there? 1. ASIC boards, Communication boards. 2. Heat Sink? This is not expensive in production but hell in shipping fee. 3. Software in SD. Then you come up with your own crate/box ,etc, your own fan?, your own PUD? 2. Price range. |
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What is crate looks like?
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Rank #1 in E-pool.  Still busy on putting the JTminers into the farm. How many TH 300T now, and few days later will get to 500T. Impressive 2million $$ farm there Theres some PH of These A1 chips miners made in China already. I htink Dragon miners have shipped +1PH already. They seem to ship out 1k miners /week. No wonder the Chinese mining pool is growing most atm. KNC private pool also... I don't know exactly numbers of Dragon Miners shipped. They are currently shipping miner with 4 modules (32 a1 chips), and ours are 5 modules (40 chips) and 6 modules (48 chips). |
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Rank #1 in E-pool. Still busy on putting the JTminers into the farm. How many TH 300T now, and few days later will get to 500T. |
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Bitmain and their Ants are definitely what all vendors should be aspiring to; good price performance and 100% legal. It goes to show that not all Chinese companies are the same and that one should be vigilant against companies like JT, JianTian, Dragon, etc who have no qualms with using stolen technology in their products.
Frankly I don't see any reason why anyone would want to purchase anything based on the A1 as currently it simply isn't a competitive option.
Sir, may you please remove yourself from this thread? You´ve made your claims, multiple times now, and since it´s quite obvious that you don´t have a clue how patent/copyright works in the REAL WORLD you´re just making a fool out of yourself. Innosilicon is a respectable company. What a FUD. They stole their product, reproduced it. Not the first time, not the last. I you have a innovative BRAND NEW product, you NEVER go to China producing it. Thats a rule, American and European producers learned in the last decade, because they just steal and copy it! Cointerra, Hashfast no way producing in China. BFL produced his first 60mn chip in China, which was immediately stolen and reproduced by Avalon. Ok, maybe you are in China RESPECTABLE if you STEAL A PRODUCT make alot of MONEY and anyone think of you that you are respectable. BUT THATS A FUD Get your fact right before open your big mouth. A1 chips ARE NOT PRODUCED in China. It is produced in GP facility in Germany. It is designed by a Chinese chip design company with their own IPs. It signed a partnership with Bitmine with Bitmine paying for part of costs. As return Bitmine can have 100K of chips in cost price and can market as their own brand name. Now Bitmine sold or used all those chips already. As a new agreement, Bitmine can only sell system not chips now. As for respectable company, KNC also have their chips designed by a Chinese chip design company headquartered in Taibei. Who cares guys as long as this chips are HIGLY overpriced and avalon gen 3 is coming  So I wish them good luck with deployment of such big amount of chips in hand collecting dust Ps it is off topic pls excuse me Just talked with Dr. Zhang (you know who he is, LOL), his chips come out 2 weeks with 82 RMB per chip. That is same as A1 chip in $55. The second one at 6 weeks is cheaper, but not really a big threat as you saying. Also someone boasts Antminer's 1T system before. I also talked with their CEO Li, it is not very cheap at $3899. |
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Bitmain and their Ants are definitely what all vendors should be aspiring to; good price performance and 100% legal. It goes to show that not all Chinese companies are the same and that one should be vigilant against companies like JT, JianTian, Dragon, etc who have no qualms with using stolen technology in their products.
Frankly I don't see any reason why anyone would want to purchase anything based on the A1 as currently it simply isn't a competitive option.
Sir, may you please remove yourself from this thread? You´ve made your claims, multiple times now, and since it´s quite obvious that you don´t have a clue how patent/copyright works in the REAL WORLD you´re just making a fool out of yourself. Innosilicon is a respectable company. What a FUD. They stole their product, reproduced it. Not the first time, not the last. I you have a innovative BRAND NEW product, you NEVER go to China producing it. Thats a rule, American and European producers learned in the last decade, because they just steal and copy it! Cointerra, Hashfast no way producing in China. BFL produced his first 60mn chip in China, which was immediately stolen and reproduced by Avalon. Ok, maybe you are in China RESPECTABLE if you STEAL A PRODUCT make alot of MONEY and anyone think of you that you are respectable. BUT THATS A FUD Get your fact right before open your big mouth. A1 chips ARE NOT PRODUCED in China. It is produced in GP facility in Germany. It is designed by a Chinese chip design company with their own IPs. It signed a partnership with Bitmine with Bitmine paying for part of costs. As return Bitmine can have 100K of chips in cost price and can market as their own brand name. Now Bitmine sold or used all those chips already. As a new agreement, Bitmine can only sell system not chips now. As for respectable company, KNC also have their chips designed by a Chinese chip design company headquartered in Taibei. |
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There is some changes about the chips.
Now there is NO OFFICIAL guy who can resell chips. Bitmine will ONLY sell systems excluding China market.
So if you guys can come up with a number, for example, get 1000T worth of system moving, I may talk the boss of chipmakers to some good deal.
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That is very encouraging.
Let me figure out a most efficient way to set things up.
So we can process with it.
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I think that price is doable.
Just need to know how many people interested in this group buy?
1. no PSU.
2. shipping not included.
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Might help to explain what it is that you're actually asking about here. A place to do the (small scale?) manufacturing - yourself or done by a company - or a place to host the miners, or...?
Both. I heard State of Washington is good place. |
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Recently I try to sell my brand name JingTian miner in USA.
Then I found out that maybe a better solution to have a manufacturing place in here (since I myself lives in SF Bay area).
I am looking for
-- making my own PCB board
-- SMT
-- Assembly my own system
Probably with cheap price for both land and electricity, to build my own mining facility here.
Anyone?
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I'm not a well-known forum member but I am an American located in China. I live in Shanghai. Is the factory or Shenzhen or Nantong? I'm willing to visit.
Factory is in Shenzhen. Company is in Shanghai. We can arrange you to show the mining facility. That is near by. |
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Still, this does not change the fact that Innosilicon does not have the rights to produce and distribute the A1 chips without bitmine's permission.
Doubtful. Innosilicon was the one who actually engineered the chip. Engineering contracted and paid for by bitmine. --- Your miner is not from us and it is not the same as JTminer. Basically, the JTminer with smaller size is much stable and can do overclock. Please ask the suggestion from who you bought it if you want to do overclock. We are not responsible for what is not from us. Thanks. Recent summary: Advantage and difference from other miner: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=470386.msg5571215#msg5571215https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=470386.msg5580260#msg5580260https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=470386.msg5580260#msg5580260--------------------------------------------- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=470386.msg5572959#msg5572959Bitmine and Innosilicon worked together to produce the chips, so both of them have rights to produce/resell the chips. for @QuestionTime : We reserve our right to take legal action for your libel!https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=470386.msg5579060#msg5579060I´m a little bit confused.... how many representatives for the JingTian miner is on [Suspicious link removed]eeksilence, skyfromwell and JT miner)
Yes. Those are from my company. Alright, thanks for making that official How about the pictures from the demonstration you held, will they be uploaded soon? I will let someone put more pictures here. I need to pick up my system now. LOL. I will try to do a good over clock then report to your guys. Im looking forward to the OC guide- Do you think a EVGA 1300W g2 is enough to overclock, or should we get something higher? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438011Bob, it is not problem of the power. It is the problem with the system you got. LOL. Don't over-clock it. The one who sell to you using cheap components in the board, so over-clock is NOT going to work there. Please stop telling me what I do or dont have. These are not knockoffs- I have been running them OC for weeks now, and they also look identical to all the other units me and my assosiates purchased. Same design, PCBs chips, etc as the legitimate ones. Oh, and and the PCBs + parts numbers match up with the ones your selling directly. JT, it seems like a Chinese manufacturer has ripped off your designs and is selling them as their own. Wait.. where have I seen that before Libel? It sounds like you have a statement from Innosillicon contradicting bitmine's claims. Please do share. What is actually Innosilicon's current position on this matter is this, and I quote from their web : "Innosilicon Announce its 28nm Bitcoin Mining IP core in Production Innosilicon is proudly announcing that BitMine AG, a leading bitcoin mining system supplier, has licensed its ultra low power Hash IP Core for production at GF 28nm HPP process. This IP is designed from scratch using patent pending, customized VLSI computational Marco cells developed to squeeze the best possible power efficiency in 28nm. Its ultra high power efficiency and thermal reliability allows BitMine AG to pack just the right amount of innovative hash horse power inside a A1 CoinCraft ASIC. The availability of this 28nm hardened IP core instantly raised the bar in a crowded 28nm bitcoin mining ASIC field." This might mean, that : a) Bitmine.ch has patented (patent pending), their HPP proces (sublicenced from GF and forked), based on their Bitcoin Mining IP core b) Innosilicon has given permission to Bitmine.ch to use their ultra-low-power Hash IP core for 28 nm DIE for chips produced by Innosilicon for Bitmine, and probably given only to Bitmine and nobody else. c) Who did customized VLSI computational Marco cell (power train in 28 nm) - Synapse, Verisilicon, Innosilicon, Bitmine or GlobalFoundries is not known to me at this point. Also not known if this customized VLSI method is patented by someone. Even though somebody could obtain licence from Innosilicon for power layer, other layers are still not Innosilicon property, so without Bitmine's sublicence on final design, full tapeout of cloned chips is not [legally] possible. It has nothing to do with BRANDNAME - "COINCRAFT A1" as s BRAND, but with TOPOGRAPHIC DESIGN OF INTEGRATED CIRCUITS, which is SEPARATE LEVEL OF INTELECTUAL PROPERTY PROTECTION FROM BRAND(NAME) PROTECTION, patent pending according to Madrid Convention of the World Intelectual property organisation. Patents are accesible from WIPO portal, and they are many, and non of which are the property JingTian. If you check the news http://bitmine.ch/?page_id=863, you should know bitmine is just in co-operation with some Chinese company. They just bought the chip from the Chinese company and name it as "Coincraft A1" chip. The Chinese company can also sell the A1 chip. They can call it any name they want like "ABC A1" chip. So the question comes: Does the "Coincraft A1" chip means "A1" chip？I don't think so. This is something like Mcdonalds can make their hamburger and KFC can make their own too. We do NOT buy chips from bitmine and have no business with them. From that link: Designed from scratch, Bitmine’s Coincraft A1 is a third generation Bitcoin Mining IC developed by Bitmine in co-operation with a team of expert engineers from Innosilicon.
Doesn't say bitmine bought the chip from a Chinese company. I'm assuming that the R&D funds came from bitmine and it's customers and that Innosilicon was contracted by bitmine for R&D, ergo, bitmine retains IP rights of the A1 chip. Unless the use of the A1 chip in these Chinese 28nm miners has been authorised by bitmine, what we're seeing here is corporate theft and entities being in possession of or receiving these miners, liable for a criminal offence. and the major contributor to the know-how of the inner workings that led to its development. We are aware of things like the one happening here and we even made a press release news concerning this matter: http://bitmine.ch/?p=5178Whoever purchases these does that on its own risk and may be liable in its own country since we hold IP on that. Yes, that's China. Authorised distributors of bitmine tech: http://bitmine.ch/?page_id=5204 - unless the chips were sourced from one of these guys or bitmine themselves it's corporate theft. Bitmine have already made themselves quite clear on the issue and until they've made a statement retracting the previous statement it's much more likely the the statement was deleted/moderated rather than retracted. Furthermore, we have yet to hear anything from Innosilicon to suggest that they have obtained the rights from bitmine to produce these chips for sale. Certainly it's plausible Innosillion also have the rights to sell the chip, but it is also certainly plausible Innosilicon does not have the rights to sell the chip. In the absence of an official statement from Innosilicon contradicting the official statement from bitmine and the presence of the well known culture of rampant IP theft that goes on in China, on the balance of probabilities, it is much more likely the Chinese machines using 28nm A1 chips from Innosilicon are the product of stolen property and therefore illegal to receive and/or possess in most common law jurisdictions.Customers have the right to purchase goods that are 100% legitimately manufactured. I would not want to buy a car that has been assembled from stolen parts. Exacly thats the point. I have seen contracts which are giving to both parties (producer and developer) the same rights. Thats good for both, because the developer thinks, the producer will do alot of affort to go on a fast and good production level and the producer will do alot of affort, because he can sell the chips by himself. Also the developer of the chip can negotiate lower costs. Then all of this is contracted with licenses and exclusiv licensing of territories. The most probably situation is (speculation) that innosilicon and all distributers of the chips in machines is forbidden to export the good to Europe and USA (exclusiv licenses) but not in Asia. So if you buy a Miner a keep it running in Europe/USA than it could be illigal (speculation). I guess, we will see high technology products from bitmine.ch as from Jin Tian. Both are doing excellent work. I see Bitmines, Innosilicon is very good on ASIC design, Jin Tian very much more as just competitive on PCBs. Congratulation to both parties. When we dont see the contracts we cant know who is right, neither innosilicon nor bitminie. Certainly plausible, as what we see, is that innosilicon is in right (he thinks he is) and bitmine changed his cooperation partner, what make possible that they are angry, but maybe its because innosilicon technology level is limited. They want to work with Intel next, which is having a brand new Asics 14nm fab. Giorgiomassa, can you give us a copy of your contract with innosilicon, so we can review the point here? As I know, there are three markets -- North America, Europe and China. Bitmine cannot sell in China, but I can sell in all areas. |
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