yes! i will donate, if anyone can set up a kickstarter or gofundme!
We can vote to throw off these trust abusers!

Till now they are saying that the trust system works perfectly,
when it's not!

ok then means DT here admits that the trust system is corrupt!

I am a customer but my feedback showing as untrusted! Ok can!

As i said, i only don't like how the trust works!
You cannot make a valid argument against the system as you do not know the intricacies of this place.

How is this not valid? I proved so much of my point and all DT does is to gang up against me.
That's another problem.
I'm sure lots of anti DT gang does not like how the trust system work, thats why they want to overthrow the DT.
I am just giving feedback on why the trust system is a total mess, not the DT.
Because DT are the one giving trusted feedback, then we have to overthrow them right?


He's even admitted to ripping people off in the past.
I only saw he admitted to selling accounts.
This is why he get the sales! This guy knows marketing.
I always learn something from mistakes and criticism, yes, may be hard to swallow, thats the only way i can improve.

It's up to the admin whether this system is questionable or not. I will always say that this system will continue to scam more people.
You don't realized it.

All you want to hear is nice things in front of you, of how this system works well for you. That's just all bootlicking!
I don't trust bootlickers because most of them always have hidden agenda. Just like how most DT here.
Maybe that's why they like to gang up!

Be honest, do nice things really improve you?
Or criticism improve you?

This world, no one can be trusted! So why i should trust the DT?

I already said, trust system is only for marketplace and should be placed after buyers have bought items from sellers with default escrow.
You get rid of most scams already.

Or keep the DT and remove the trust. the trust is ripped off.

the fact you ignored these clear red marks is why you got scammed bud.
The problem is that DT cannot be not trusted when it comes to transactions.
As it should have real customers feedback.

Or why not create like subdomain? where user set up own shop like amazon?
And then the trust will link to his or her main bitcointalk account, something like that.
Trust will show up after users have bought.

If u continue with this trust, i believe more will get scammed. I can't believe that VISIN managed to scam 2 before me with just 6 transactions.

I believe bitcoin.com has lots of subdomain, and has neater interface.
Although owned by wrong person!
As CZ said, always copy competitors.

if business you mean ICO?
For this i think a rating will be better.
bitcointalk rating system. Like icobench.
The level of scam something like that. I think it's more fair.
Whether they have legit team, Whitepaper is good or not, etc.
let the public decide, as i said, DT can be biased.
A good example is how they will gang up on me in this thread.

Of course you can say i can create many alts. Then let the admin choose the rating. Simple.
Can be improved as we go along. That's why every member feedback is important.

Just that this Trust system has been clearly abused!

trusted users? i don't think they are automatically placed on trusted just because they are inner circle.

just take a chill and think about the above and you will see that DT is needed.
I do agree some DT is needed, but some are clearly abusing it. Spamming trusted feedbacks too.

start up a business and every user can tag you = manipulation can happen, someone who doesn't like you can tag you 100 times
Doesn't spamming feedbacks counted in this? tagging 100x
same right?
Thats why trust system should be placed after seller has bought the items.

Why can't you see that the trust system has something wrong with it?

Please do not just take 1 side of it.

every user? you think every users want to buy?
The problem now is that they have not even buy anything at all, why are they allowed to give trusted feedback?

Most trusted, but i don't see them having any transactions at all. How can their feedback automatically be placed on trusted?
I see that there is no logic here!

Thats why the trust is valid only for marketplace trade. And should be placed after buyer has bought items from seller. I think this is more fair.


i am not on either side right now, i just want to prove my point that the trust system has been abused.
I always provide a good fair point.
since the DT has been ganging up on me.

But maybe since i'm a newbie, "without power", they are bullying me.
It's always the people vote against the government.

ok then what is the definition of marketplace? https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marketplace

bitcointalk stated here marketplace
http://prntscr.com/meq3lu

isn't amazon or ebay a marketplace? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Marketplace

still u have not provide a good point of why DT are allowed to give trusted feedback when they did not buy anything at all.

now, if there is like a default escrow system in place, but still sellers want to take transactions without escrow, then we, as customers, have the right to give bad feedback also.

I am wrong?

You can go to Amazon now and tell some sellers, i want to give you a negative feedback because you look like a scammer, but i don't want to buy from you.

Or even go to nearby shops, scold them for being a scammer even though they are not! But you don't buy anything from them.

The feedback says account seller not to be trusted?
You did not even buy from him how can you say he is not trusted?

This is wrong generalization!

Perfect example of how DT will gang up on others!
Yes, i lost my money, due to the fact maybe he is unfairly treated. And i did not use escrow.

but i repeat, this thread is above how can anybody give feedback without transacting?
this system is really ripped off.

And where does it says account selling is illegal?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1881867.0

See, you all ganged up on newbies even i provide a good valid point.

Thats the problem why DTs can't be trusted!
You just want to defend your positions.

You can't deny that giving anyone feedback even though they are not customers is a problem.
You just brushed it off because you are scared of losing your positions.

As i said, DT gang up together is also a problem even though others prove a valid point!

How many Jr member or member with low merits has replied to this thread? i only can see 1 newbie, even that is a fair view.

all i see is DT gang up to bash on newbies who prove a valid point.

hello! i said that this thread is about why anyone can give feedback to sellers! Not about escrow...




Even if i find ways, the DTs don't even value us newbies, no point!
They don't take any improvements at all.
As the saying goes, When there is a will, there is a way.

yes! that's how business work.
I didn't use escrow, that's my fault. Just like any business, there is escrow too.

There should be a default escrow in place! To make sure this is safe transactions.
It's called marketplace for a reason, just like Amazon, eBay.
So the seller built trust on real customers feedback.

But this thread is about how can anyone can give feedback even though they are not customers?



Thats amazon, i know of more legit marketplace in my country that does not take fee for buying and selling. The platform earn by being a gold member and above. You can sell more etc, get statistics.

So you can't compare these two.
then you can't compare police and forum too you see.


Are you sure? Because i have transacted there before , and i don't even know the seller.

i cant see the link here.
Why are you even linking this to police?

Its like saying when i do buying and selling, let's say on amazon, anyone can give feedback?
Even though they are not customers? Just because they are trusted by Amazon "inner-circle"?


This is customers to business!
Simple, as long as you transact, you have the right to give trusted feedback.

And there should not be any accounts that can give trusted feedback till they have transacted.

simple, DTs are not customers!
you have transacted with him before?

Why are DTs even allowed to give trusted feedback even though they are not customers?
All the feedback is about account selling with no real customers! And my honest customer feedback is untrusted?
I can't see the logic here!

you can't see the system is ripped off? you are just defending them because you are on DT lists.
Thats the problem.

Another Example is how you guys even ganged up together to bash on others. How to trust?

I do my manual check first, and there are not even real customers there. I need a real customer feedback!
Not some inner circle "trusted" gang who just anyhow give feedback!

DTs feedback is not customers feedback!

This thread should be a sticky post!

lets overthrow them!

thats the problem!
there is no such thing as quality posts...
Most quality posts does not even receive any merits!
and those with merits are stingy.

+ the DTs will always gang up with each other to bash on others!
How is that fair?

And the DTs have not answered my questions on how can VINSIN be able to scam so many people before me if the trust system is perfect???

Default Trust!
come on, the admins can make rules,
Maybe like users have registered 30 days or smthing, newbies activity have to be more than let's say 70.
1 IP 1 user, and DT are not allowed to vote for themselves.
Or even make a thread!

Because voting system by merited users can be unfair. They maybe biased.
I don't want to be DT.
Merit already is hard to earned. For every 100 newbies, maybe only 5 can rank up.

No point posting!
It should be a fair and square elections.

I'm not saying that they are responsible, but the feedback is inaccurate!
As i said, it should be real real customers feedback!

I just want to give feedback on how to improve the system.

How can VINSIN be able to scam so many people before me if the trust system is perfect???
There are not even 1 real customer feedback on the trust till me.
DTs feedback aren't to be trusted!

As a member of the public, there should be a general elections whereby we are allowed to vote who will keep their place in the DTs!
Some DTs are clearly abusing this system.

I do agree some have done a good job! But some are just extreme abusers of their positions!

So newbies can't take part in trade and do signature campaigns? Where is the fairness?
I think there should be a general election where public can cast their votes on who on the DT needs to be out!

Then why are you complaining about the feedback left by DT? They tried warning people like you to stay away from him.
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U think DTs feedback can be trusted?
Unless they bought from him, then that feedback is not valid my friend.

So i will support this thread too!
There need to be a change!

Too much power by DTs, i thought it's about decentralization?